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Looking very much forward to the new DS5. Can't get worse than the DS4.



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drkohler said:

The 500G hd was/is about $22-$24. I highly doubt you'll ever get a (superfast) 500G SSD for that price, ever.

That's incredibly short-sighted. Less than 20 years ago you could be paying $200 for a 120gb HDD. Prices of technology comes down, sizes of storage increase. SSD's will halve in cost again over the next few years, just as they did over the previous few years.



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Trumpstyle said:
drkohler said:

The 500G hd was/is about $22-$24. I highly doubt you'll ever get a (superfast) 500G SSD for that price, ever. With all this "save space" talk from Cerny, I still think there could be a "run of the mill" (as big as you want) hd sitting behind a relatively small (superfast) SSD (128-256GB). You would then selectively install your game key files from the hdd onto the SSD (probably no more than 2-4 games at the same time). That sounds the most economical, the SoC is already expensive enough...

Did you miss this in the article? "like the PS5, it will ditch the spinning hard drive for a solid-state drive." There is no ANCIENT drive in the next-gen console.

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I called the NVMe drive already in Jan this year we now in November and u still stuck on ancient spinning disc. HDD + SSD combo DOESN'T WORK. I gave up on it a long time ago, I don't know where Vivster and pemalite are now they also been stuck on HDD + SSD combo for long time despite the combo doesn't work.

Well I remember CGi-Quality also being very skeptical of a SSD only for PS5.



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Not like its hard to swap out an 480gb ssd with a 2tb one seeimg as those are getting cheaper by the day for pcs aswell



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Trumpstyle said:

Did you miss this in the article? "like the PS5, it will ditch the spinning hard drive for a solid-state drive." There is no ANCIENT drive in the next-gen console.

The way Marc Cerny describes the inner workings of the next generation of software is precisely, and I mean PRECISELY, how a large hd behind a superfast ssd could work. I mean it is PRECISELY how an engineer would describe the system without giving away too much information. In a nutshell, you install your game on a large hd once and then have the key parts only install (from the hd as many times as you want) on a superfast ssd.

There is also this old insider rumour about the devkit mainboard which meticulously lists the components on it. It PRECISELY describes such a system of superfast ssd as the front end. If someone made all that up (and it does not forget to list a single part that is required for such a system) it was a lot of work for something that few people actually seem to grasp.

So which one is it? We don't know. Those people who dream of a 2GByte superfast ss should just check current prices, they range from $500 to $1200. Could a 1TByte superfast ssd (still expensive as hell when manufacturing a console, storage should not exceed 10% of your total budget) be enough? People have been complaining about the 1TByte PS4 drive as being too small for ages now. Do you really risk to start a new generation with a puny 1TByte drive (which isn't even 1TByte, binary speaking).



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Is PS5 going to be the first PS console to launch simultanously all over the world at the same time?, i mean... North America, Europe and Asia (included Japan)?? because if that's the case, PS5 is going to obliterate all the records next year.

What can PS5 do 1st day of sales if it launches at 400$ worldwide?? 2 million??, 3 million??. If PS4 ended 2013 selling more than 4M in just a month and a half..., PS5 is going to easily do 50% more than that at the end of 2020.

The hype for PS5 in just 12 months from now is going to be something never seen before....



drkohler said:
Trumpstyle said:

Did you miss this in the article? "like the PS5, it will ditch the spinning hard drive for a solid-state drive." There is no ANCIENT drive in the next-gen console.

The way Marc Cerny describes the inner workings of the next generation of software is precisely, and I mean PRECISELY, how a large hd behind a superfast ssd could work. I mean it is PRECISELY how an engineer would describe the system without giving away too much information. In a nutshell, you install your game on a large hd once and then have the key parts only install (from the hd as many times as you want) on a superfast ssd.

There is also this old insider rumour about the devkit mainboard which meticulously lists the components on it. It PRECISELY describes such a system of superfast ssd as the front end. If someone made all that up (and it does not forget to list a single part that is required for such a system) it was a lot of work for something that few people actually seem to grasp.

So which one is it? We don't know. Those people who dream of a 2GByte superfast ss should just check current prices, they range from $500 to $1200. Could a 1TByte superfast ssd (still expensive as hell when manufacturing a console, storage should not exceed 10% of your total budget) be enough? People have been complaining about the 1TByte PS4 drive as being too small for ages now. Do you really risk to start a new generation with a puny 1TByte drive (which isn't even 1TByte, binary speaking).

"or just installing the whole thing and then deleting the single-player campaign once you've finished it."

This is Mark Cerny describing the SSD, transferring whole games to the SSD from the CD (not some game files). If we put a 128gb Cache in there that means 1 game or maybe not even 1 game as the OS will probably also be installed there too. I expect average game size to be 100GB next-gen. It will take about 15min to transfer a game from the HDD to the SSD, you somehow expect gamers is gonna shuffle games between the HDD and SSD with only maybe 1 game fitting in the SSD cache.

Dude it's time to give up the whole HDD + SSD combo, it DOESN'T WORK.

About the storage, 1TB is enough, according to wikipedia average game sold per console for PS4 sit at 9,56, average game size for PS4 is about 50GB. 10 x 50GB = 500GB so a 500GB hard drive is perfect for PS4

10 x 100GB = 1TB so 1 TB is perfect for PS5.



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Trumpstyle said:

1 TB is perfect for PS5.

I have 1TB in my PS4 which already isn't enough for me with games like GT Sport, Battlefront 2 etc taking 100GB+.

However if we look at it from the 500gb PS4 launch perspective.

NBA 2K14 - 41.8GB
Knack - 35.6GB
Killzone Shadow Fall - 38.5GB
Battlefield 4 - 33.9GB
Call of Duty: Ghosts - 31.1GB

As long as PS5 launch games aren't over double the size of PS4 launch games, then 1TB PS5 is just as good as 500gb PS4 was.

So 1TB might not be as terrible as I expected, though I'd still want to upgrade. It depends if large launch games like the next CoD are 60-80gb or if they're 100gb+.

So a 1TB PS5 may be no worse than the 500gb PS4 was.



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drkohler said:
Trumpstyle said:

Did you miss this in the article? "like the PS5, it will ditch the spinning hard drive for a solid-state drive." There is no ANCIENT drive in the next-gen console.

The way Marc Cerny describes the inner workings of the next generation of software is precisely, and I mean PRECISELY, how a large hd behind a superfast ssd could work. I mean it is PRECISELY how an engineer would describe the system without giving away too much information. In a nutshell, you install your game on a large hd once and then have the key parts only install (from the hd as many times as you want) on a superfast ssd.

There is also this old insider rumour about the devkit mainboard which meticulously lists the components on it. It PRECISELY describes such a system of superfast ssd as the front end. If someone made all that up (and it does not forget to list a single part that is required for such a system) it was a lot of work for something that few people actually seem to grasp.

So which one is it? We don't know. Those people who dream of a 2GByte superfast ss should just check current prices, they range from $500 to $1200. Could a 1TByte superfast ssd (still expensive as hell when manufacturing a console, storage should not exceed 10% of your total budget) be enough? People have been complaining about the 1TByte PS4 drive as being too small for ages now. Do you really risk to start a new generation with a puny 1TByte drive (which isn't even 1TByte, binary speaking).

Sounds like a nightmare to make this work for a small team



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kirby007 said:

Sounds like a nightmare to make this work for a small team

Small teams will always struggle, no matter what. We don't know what the system support would be but if such a system emerges, it is obvious there would be support from Sony. And if your game were just a puzzle game, you simply wouldn't care for the front-end ssd.