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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware 14 September 2019 (PS4 Tops 100M)

Deeds said:
Intrinsic said:

Well.. the Wii was a home console. And I believe it competed directly because it took away that casual crowd that typically flocked to PS consoles. I also believe that the 7th gen created (or emphasized) a clear distinction in gamers. I don't like using the phrase but let's call them hardcore and casuals (personally I would prefer traditional and non-traditional but don't want  be accused of making up any categories). One can argue that the same traditional gamer space is the exact same space the PS4/XB1 is still competing in today. Last gen that space accounted for about 160M in sales. So far this gen it's tracking for around 140M. Will probably closes this gen at around 160M/170M when its all said and done.

I concur... maybe this would just be better if we just changed it all to Nintendo vs Playstation v Xbox. And jus track total gaming devices sales from each platform for regardless of gen or form factor.

You do realize that Nintendo would win that, right?

So? If thy do then they deserve to. What's that got to do with anything?

Deeds said:

Dude, you are as transparent as glass. It was Sony who STARTED the "PlayStation Family" of sales where they combined sales of all their hardware and only stopped when the Vita bombed. Again, WHY are you trying to make the gaming industry different when judging total sales? As I've said before, when the Switch outsells the PS4, goalposts will move so far that they will be light-years away. This thread is just the tip the of the iceberg. Just look at how long it is. There's a ton of salt building up due to the Lite selling well. Its kinda sad actually. Also notice how many say, "the Switch sales will fall off a cliff when the PS5 comes out". So suddenly the PS5 is a handheld? Or when the PS5 comes out the Switch morphs into a console again? You guys are pathetic. Meh.

Was reading from the bottom up... now what you said above makes sense.

Where you are taking this... this doesn't need to go. Its a pity there isn't an ignore button on here.  Cause your energy is just all wrong. 

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Deeds said:
Replicant said:

And how much is that? 20 mill?

PS4 120 and Switch 140 mill?

I'd be a millionaire if I could precisely predict the future like that. All I know is that I bet the Switch will outsell it, and when that happens the "goalposts moving" will be legendary.

And by "a whole LOT", as you said.

Fair enough. You could be right. Only time will tell.



chakkra said:

And on the last "Year on Year Sales & Market Share Charts" it is stated that Nintendo has 96.8% market share (in 2019) on the Handheld segment, and 44.3% on the "Console" segment. So you can see how things are going to start looking from here on when the Lite gets lumped in the same group as well.

Personally, I don't see the problem in comparing home console and handheld sales but this is actually a valid point.

What is the point in separating home console and handheld market share when a console such as the Switch Lite is being counted in the home console market share?



RolStoppable said:

While I chose to quote your post, my response is more of a general one to the thread as a whole.

The gaming landscape has been changing since a while, so the setup on the frontpage of three home consoles and two handheld consoles, each with their own marketshare total, has to change eventually too. The old binary does not exist anymore. Sony has exited the handheld market while Nintendo has combined home console and handheld into one. That leaves one console for each of the three manufacturers, so the frontpage image will have to be reduced to three bars that divide the marketshare between them.

Nintendo has quit neither the home console or handheld market because they remain in both. Developers of Switch games don't have to ask themselves whether they are making a home console or handheld game, because what they develop is both at once. The handheld-only Switch Lite isn't going to change anything for developers, so it makes sense to count the Switch family of systems as a singular entity and thus determine Nintendo's marketshare that way. That's why all sales trackers will combine sales of Switch and Switch Lite.

The efforts to split hairs and try to group Nintendo separately in their entirety or only partially are indeed in vein. You emphasized the word "dedicated" in your post, but all that "dedicated" really refers to is a device where the entire or at least primary purpose is to play video games. Since Switch is a dedicated gaming device (actually moreso than PS and Xbox consoles) and has full home console functionality, it's wrong to say that Nintendo has dropped out of the dedicated home console business. All one can say is that Nintendo isn't making a stationary home console anymore, but that's a meaningless distinction when Switch can do everything that the consoles that came before it could do.

Agreed. I see zero reason to not combine sales of Switch and Switch Lite.

Though in that case, it'd make sense for VGC to drop the separation of home console and handheld market share and just compare Ninty/Sony/MS.

Last edited by Replicant - on 30 September 2019

PAOerfulone said:
Ganoncrotch said:

It's always nice to have a 3 line attack post about how someone posts nonsense.... which then contains 5 mistakes. Impressive in a way.

Regarding the "content" of your post though, you talk about the good points about the Switch Lite, that is to say it is cheaper than the regular Switch, however it is cheaper at a cost of fair number of features and components that the base model comes with, Smaller screen, No Docking, No native support for full sized USB devices, far smaller battery capacity, no stand for tabletop play / youtube viewing etc. The Lite is cheap... for a reason, that reason is the things it cannot do which the base unit can do.

Just think about a game like Smash Ultimate on the Switch Lite, sure... you get the game on a cheaper machine, but you've got an amazing 8 player local gaming experience on a system which is handheld only, also if you wanna connect GC controllers to the Switch Lite you're going to need to power one half of the GC controller adapter from a different USB device as the Switch even with a USB-C OTG adapter only has 1 USB-C connector, so you couldn't even use the GC pad while the system was charging after you bought a stand to hold it in place for tabletop play.

So aye, cheap, for a reason... actually for a whole lot of reasons.

Here's the thing, though.

Aside from the smaller battery capacity, (which really isn't that much smaller than the revised Switch model's capacity), kids (their parents) and dedicated handheld gamers, the two audiences that the Lite model was made to specifically cater towards and Nintendo's bread and butter, are not going to give two shits about any of those missing features.

There was no such thing as tabletop play before the Switch, so without it, it's just a matter of going back to what worked before; The screen is around the same length and width as the 3DS in its entirety; Smash 3DS players did just fine playing that version of the game in handheld only, they're going to be just fine playing on the Switch Lite, hardly any people will feel too bad that they can't play one game with one specific control scheme just because the system is unable to support it and the people who still play Smash Bros. with a GameCube controller are a very, VERY minor portion of the audience anyways; And who buys a Nintendo handheld to watch YouTube? 

The Lite model is cheap for a lot of reasons, and for those two audiences, it's cheap for the right reasons.

I can't say who buys a Switch to watch youtube but I can tell you that youtube is one of the highest downloaded things from 2 of the stores I have accounts for the Switch on (EU and US) most of my friends list people have the app and by now have around 100 or so hours at least in it watched on there, I think my own time on Switch is around 95 hours of content @ youtube.

As for the things it lost though, it's not just a less battery capacity than the current revision of the base Switch, it also loses gyro controls which... lets be honest, how many times have you seen people QQ @ Switch ports of games for not including Gyro support or people praising ports which either include it from jump or ones which add it after the QQ has gone on (Doom comes to mind here for the QQ) but aye, Splatoon sniping is made so much easier on a Switch using Gyro to get that last bit of aim in at times, Breath of the Wild actually has a couple of shrines which 100% require Gyro control to complete, so Switch lite owners will not be able to 100% the killer app of the Switch without investing in a controller with Gyro which... means a pair of Joycons (and a charging controller for them) or else a Pro Controller, both of which come close to 100e. HD Rumble is also gone... which meh I don't care about it but again it's used in a few instances in Mario Ody to let you know about location to things or there are other titles which make use of the feature for some feedback in puzzles.

Again for GC control support being more or less not available on Switch lite that would mean someone getting something like the recently released Grid Remaster on the system would miss out on the amazing addition of using GC controllers because of how they had analogue L/R buttons as that is pretty much a common thing in racers now to use analogue control for Acceleration and Braking and Grid made a good job of promoting the GC controller as a means to get that control in Grid on Switch.

Don't get me wrong btw, looking at this post and others in the thread it might seem that I'm saying that the Switch Lite is not a good device, and that's not the case at all, for the size and weight of the machine it's an amazing piece of hardware, something that size being able to play a game like Witcher III in 2019 is like it's from the future being honest with you, and at €200 it is a fucking Steal, keep in mind at that price point, there is no other way to get that game on a console which costs that, both PS4 and the X1 both have an RRP above €200 (PS4 RRP is €299 and the Xbox1SAD has €250) so the Switch has the lowest price point of all the systems while offering the game in a portable form factor as well as the battery screen and controller built into the machine, like I said it's like a handheld from the future.



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SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

I'm a bit salty there is no Switch Home. I was hoping the early rumors were true of a PS4 level home console, even if it was tied to another hybrid.

Nin, please make a Switch Home.

Why would they do that?  Are you unaware that Nintendo combined their handheld and console software production teams into 1 with a brand new HQ dedicated for that express purpose?

If Nin won't make a Switch home console, why would PS make a PS4 handheld (hybrid)?



SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

If Nin won't make a Switch home console, why would PS make a PS4 handheld (hybrid)?

What the.....?

*Scrolls through posts*

I don't see in this thread where I suggested they should.  In fact, if you've read any of my posts in the threads about a PS4 handheld, you'd already know I'm against it.

EricHiggin said:
Deeds said:

Why is this so hard for people to understand???? AGAIN dont get salty that the Swich is selling this much. ASK SONY TO MAKE A PS4 Portable. Problem solved.

I'm a bit salty there is no Switch Home. I was hoping the early rumors were true of a PS4 level home console, even if it was tied to another hybrid.

Nin, please make a Switch Home.

You wonder why I asked for something, and you didn't bother to read through the conversation that led to that point?

"Why is this so hard for people to understand???? AGAIN dont get salty that the Swich is selling this much. ASK SONY TO MAKE A PS4 Portable. Problem solved."



SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

You wonder why I asked for something, and you didn't bother to read through the conversation that led to that point?

"Why is this so hard for people to understand???? AGAIN dont get salty that the Swich is selling this much. ASK SONY TO MAKE A PS4 Portable. Problem solved."

But I didn't say that.  Quote him.  Don't hit up somebody about something someone else said.

SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

I'm a bit salty there is no Switch Home. I was hoping the early rumors were true of a PS4 level home console, even if it was tied to another hybrid.

Nin, please make a Switch Home.

Why would they do that?  Are you unaware that Nintendo combined their handheld and console software production teams into 1 with a brand new HQ dedicated for that express purpose?

What the.....?



SpokenTruth said:
Somebody help him.



did someone just drop acid before coming back to this thread?



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