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Chrkeller said:

Adding meaningful content is logical.  Adding content for the sake of content isn't.  Having questions and curiosity is logical.  Defending and insisting a game none of us has really played isn't.    

First two sentences is true, but how do you know if FF7R content is logical or not? I was willing to let your doom and gloomly concerns go, but you've taken this way to far by contradicting yourself. I don't see any hint of curiosity in your post, except for one question you asked about how Midgar can be +40 hours without "filler crap"

Chrkeller said:
Agreed absolutely 100%. Modern games have far too much filler crap.

You have not played the game yet but you already in a subtle way claim FF7R have too much filler crap based on a few screenshots and because it's a modern game.

Chrkeller said:
Not a fan of the art style. I also worry there is going to be too much tedious walking around. I'm still not sure how Midgar is 40 hours.

Immersiveunreality already answered you. And your reply was still you're worried about fillar material, I guess because it's a modern game?

Chrkeller said:
I understand the story will be expanded, but 5 hours to 40 hours... that is more than an expansion. I just worry that a lot of that 40 hours will be silly filler material. Again, I am in the camp that modern games are too long and tedious. Short(er) and focused is a personal preference.

So far from all this it seems like it does not matter how many explanations we can give you based on what is known. You've already made up your mind. What makes it worse is that even-though I'm trying to show you with reasons from the lore of FF7, you've brushed it off as if we was blindly defending the game. That is not the way a person who is curious and is willing to debate would act.



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deskpro2k3 said:

I think this discussion is going on far too long. We're going in a direction where both sides are going to have to put in more effort and evidence to justify their viewpoints, which are becoming more specific as the conversation goes on, even though we have very little to go on to begin with. That kind of push for "evidence" isn't sustainable because we don't have much at all.

All we know is that Final Fantasy 7 Remake is huge, with just Midgar alone accompanying one part. A lot of that size could be graphics, dialogue, etc., but considering it's on two discs it seems very likely that the content has been stretched out significantly. 

Frankly, it's unfair to lambaste someone (99% sure your unedited comments were a lot more negative) and act as if they must not know a lot about Final Fantasy for dumb reasons like "Well, the old games had skippable sidequests" or "there was a lot of cut content from the game" - because you really have to stretch that reasoning out in order to attempt to make a point out of them. Most sidequests in games are skippable ... that's what makes them sidequests. However, it's silly to act like games don't balance themselves around sidequests, or that the price tag isn't fit specifically for people who want that kind of value off the title (you are going to have to buy 2-3 games just to rush through the story). As for the cut content, who cares? Cut content in games is often cut because it isn't that good. And considering they're adding lore from the extended universe of Final Fantasy 7 - easily the biggest stain on the game's legacy, there is no guarantee this extension will work.  Especially when you backpedal and act understanding when your tone and attitude was very clearly dismissive and harsh. 

Don't accuse people of already making up their mind when 7 hours before your post they literally say "For clarity I am not saying the game will be bad nor have problems. I just have mild concerns, but absolutely agree I won't know until I play it.  Point being concerns and complaints are not equivalent."

This wouldn't have gone on for this long if you didn't post a really juvenile mischaracterization of people who might be concerned about the game's length. 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:

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I think you're adding on to a none issue about a "mild concern" don't you think. Well thanks for adding your 2 cents. First and foremost you're repeating what I said about how we don't know much about what they're adding to the Remake, all we do know is that the lore is huge, and that there is 8 sectors that we can possibly explore instead of 1, and on top of that the cut content from the original can make their way in the Remake. Mind you we don't know why they were cut from the original. Memory issue, or something else, we don't know. However it's a valid reason that holds more weight than it just being a huge modern game. 

AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Don't accuse people of already making up their mind when 7 hours before your post they literally say "For clarity I am not saying the game will be bad nor have problems. I just have mild concerns, but absolutely agree I won't know until I play it.  Point being concerns and complaints are not equivalent."

4 hours later he said (quote below). Clearly the dude have made up his mind. Clearly you have not thought this through.

Chrkeller said:

I was fine with the amount of Midgar there was in the original.  Exploring all 8 sections just isn't appealing.  Strikes me as making the game longer for the sake of having an overly large game.



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deskpro2k3 said:

I think you're adding on to a none issue about a "mild concern" don't you think. Well thanks for adding your 2 cents. First and foremost you're repeating what I said about how we don't know much about what they're adding to the Remake, all we do know is that the lore is huge, and that there is 8 sectors that we can possibly explore instead of 1, and on top of that the cut content from the original can make their way in the Remake. Mind you we don't know why they were cut from the original. Memory issue, or something else, we don't know. However it's a valid reason that holds more weight than it just being a huge modern game. 

4 hours later he said (quote below). Clearly the dude have made up his mind. Clearly you have not thought this through.

Chrkeller said:

I was fine with the amount of Midgar there was in the original.  Exploring all 8 sections just isn't appealing.  Strikes me as making the game longer for the sake of having an overly large game.

Yes in my comment that was meant to summarize and end an entire conversation, I ended up restating some things you already said. Who would have thought. 

"4 hours later he said (quote below). Clearly the dude have made up his mind. Clearly you have not thought this through."

No. He clarified more because the conversation kept going, and going, and going, and he felt the need to defend his point of view by expanding on what possible issues could be in the Remake. That doesn't mean he made up his mind, that just means that the conversation is getting out of hand and requiring more evidence and specifics, which can't possibly be provided because we don't know anything! 

That's literally what I opened my reply to you with! 

It would be better if everyone, including me, just moved on. 



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:

stuff

Trying to find where he said anything close to "possible issues could be in the Remake" And then I remember seeing your post.

AngryLittleAlchemist said:

This feels like modern day gaming in a nut shell honestly. Size over quality. 

Yep, I concede. Best to move on from here. 

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deskpro2k3 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

stuff

Trying to find where he said anything close to "possible issues could be in the Remake" And then I remember seeing your post.

AngryLittleAlchemist said:

This feels like modern day gaming in a nut shell honestly. Size over quality. 

Yep, I concede. Best to move on from here. 

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He said it here 

For clarity I am not saying the game will be bad nor have problems. I just have mild concerns, but absolutely agree I won't know until I play it.  Point being concerns and complaints are not equivalent.

As for that comment I made, I'm basing it off his concerns for the game. I.e. in the context of those concerns becoming reality. But sure, spin that if you want. 



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This games are made by FF VII fans who grow up in 90's and now working on SE and directed by the old veteran based on fans across the globe. People who doubt this games will be a GOTY or not par with the FF VII are cray cray .



Has Square ever confirmed how many episodes FFVII:R will be? I am also curious if we know the time between each release in the series.