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DonFerrari said:
Machiavellian said:

The fact that people have to make interpretation on the word future seems to be the issue here but what I really see is people own personal agenda clouding their judgement on simple statements.  That is the thing, people continue to talk about something that is in the distant future as if its something happening in the next couple years.  This is the problem of trying to take one snippet of what someone says and try to apply it to the now.  There is no plans in place for Gamepass or Xcloud to be on all platforms but in the future MS would like the service to be everywhere.  When that happens who knows what the state of consoles, PCs, mobile and other platforms will be.  Who knows what state hardware for these platforms will be 5 years from now.  For all we know, hardware will be built within TVs and Entertainment systems where streaming becomes the norm.  Trying to determine what MS, Sony and Nintendo will do 5 years from now is fruitless and it's even more fruitless to try and determine a simple quote where someone says they want Gamepass on all platforms as anything more than a simple future outlook of a service that is platform agnostic.

Does that mean MS will not make their own hardware, who knows.  That statement doesn't say that nor was it implied.  Insead people like you who already have a perception ran with that assumption with nothing more than a gut feeling then anything.  I have no clue what MS hardware plans are outside they will have another console but then again I have no clue what Sony or even Nintendo will do either.

For me and the little I know about english language there is a very big difference between "there is no plan to" and "the plan is not to".

So when MS say they currently have no plan, then that would also exclude anything in the future. If they said that their plan isn't putting these on other platforms now it would be much more direct statement.

I won't keep going at this point because CGI already warned on it.

But perception of the message being unclear to a lot of people is the fault of the PR not of everybody else. And before you try to personalize it in me with a shadow attack, we have people from all camps saying their message is unclear.

If they say they currently have no plans, that only means the now. The word "currently" gives description to the entire sentence.  Currently does not represent any future plans.  If they stated "We do not currently or have any future plans" then you would be on point.

  The problem with trying to gauge every spoken or written comment from different people is that a lot of people form opinions without fully reading or even understanding context.  This thread already have shone this very concept which is why simple statements seems confusing when people do not take the time to actually comprehend what is being said.



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Ashen a Xbox Console exclusive (made for ID@Xbox developer program) is now heading for the PS4...
It looks like Xbox only had 1year of exclusivity... and its now heading over (like 1year + 3days later).

Xbox NEVER said this was a timed exclusive, their messageing was "this is xbox only", now it turns out they had a 1year contract?
Like I know this is only for "futher plans", but its just silly that not long after the "no more games to other platforms",
you seem them lose something you thought was a pure console exclusive.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 26 August 2019

LudicrousSpeed said:
PotentHerbs said:

Here's a few more: 

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-scarlett-at-e3-2019-phil-spencer-talks-disc-d/1100-6467725/

"Spencer also spoke about how Microsoft doesn't necessarily need you to buy Project Scarlett. The real money is made in software and services, Spencer pointed out. So if you're already invested in the Xbox ecosystem, say if you already own any of the Xbox One family of consoles, Microsoft isn't overly concerned about if you upgrade to Scarlett.

"I actually never really need that customer [who already owns an Xbox One] to go buy a new piece of hardware," he said. "The business is around software and service growth. That is the profitable part of the business; selling the hardware is not the profitable part of the business."

"This is a little bit why we've backed away from the race on how many we can sell or announce the the sales of as many consoles as possible," Spencer said. "Not that that's immaterial; I'm not at all trying to say that. But the real root of the business is how many customers are engaged in your service. How engaged are they? And can you keep that number growing?"


How does this signify a worry about Microsoft dropping Xbox hardware? That same interview he literally says the best way to play high fidelity games is still with a machine sitting right in front of you. What is confusing about this? You can disagree with their push to include streaming all you want, you can disagree about the importance of services and engagement... but what here is confusing?



PotentHerbs said:

https://www.geekwire.com/2019/beyond-console-xbox-leaders-detail-microsofts-gaming-future-led-xcloud-streaming-service/amp/

Microsoft laid out this strategy on a tour of its gaming facilities at its Redmond, Wash., home base this week. Executives steadily repeated a key number: 2 billion. That’s the number of gamers in the world, by Microsoft’s estimates, and many of these players live in parts of the world where console gaming isn’t feasible.

The shift in the gaming teams’ focus fits with Microsoft’s overall evolution. Under CEO Satya Nadella, Microsoft wants to bring its services and apps to as many people as possible, regardless of what devices they use.

In some cases, this means working with competitors that make devices rivaling some of Microsoft’s own gadgets. Gaming appears to be no exception, as Microsoft is expected to unveil the extension of Xbox Live compatibility to several additional platforms, including Android and iOS mobile devices and the Nintendo Switch, at the Game Developers Conference later this month.

Microsoft executives demurred when asked specifically about this plan, but Phil Spencer, head of gaming, wasn’t shy about the company’s cross-device ambitions. That push is embodied by Project xCloud, but the company also wants to expand its Game Pass subscription service as well.

“We want to bring Game Pass to any device that somebody wants to play on,” Spencer said. “Not just because it’s our business, but really because the business model allows for people to consume and find games that they wouldn’t have played in any other space.”

“That is not where you make money,” Spencer said of consoles. “The business inside of games is really selling games, and selling access to games and content in means like that is the fundamental business. So if you open it up, the more often people can play, the more they’re enjoying the art form. It increases the size of the business.”

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Again... whats the point here? They're going to push the hell out of xCloud but they've also been adamant that local hardware is going to be a big piece of the puzzle. Their whole GamePass and xCloud initiative is worthless without their own hardware, because rival console companies aren't about to let Microsoft's services on it. It's not one or the other, you can push strong for streaming and also still realize physical isn't going anywhere. Microsoft points that out every time they talk about streaming.



PotentHerbs said:

There is more than enough evidence that MS makes "confusing" PR statements about Games Pass/ Xbox just this year. Even in this thread, the original article linked in the OP, claiming "no further plans to bring first party games to other platforms," gets contradicted by MS a few days later. There is no question to me that MS can do a much better job at PR. Their actual statements aren't the problem, its the amount of differing statements, making it seem they can go in either direction, depending on the week or time of day.


Well I'm glad you put confusing in quotations because if these articles you're referencing are your idea of confusing then it certainly deserves those quotations. Also they didn't contradict anything when they talked about bringing GamePass to other consoles. It's called context. Again, if a hugely anti-Xbox site like Resetera can be rational and logical about it, anyone should be able to.

MS doesn't care if you upgrade to Project Scarlett? Why wouldn't Microsoft want XBO users to buy Project Scarlett? MS is content as long as you're already invested to the Xbox ecosystem? How does MS view the next generation then? They'll support the XOne and Scarlett? Its all about software and service growth? This is not a line of thinking that is attractive for consumers ready for the next console generation. 

It sounds like Games Pass is taking precedence over the next generation Xbox. Which likely means MS Studios are going to develop and optimize for both the XOne/Scarlett. MS Studios won't be able to push the Scarlett if they're held back by the XOne. But I guess some of you are okay with that. 

This makes Scarlett sound like an after thought coming into the next generation. The worry is signified through the transition of Xbox as a console, to Xbox as a subscription service, as these statements from Phil make it sound like. Yes, MS is adamant about local hardware being key, but this could mean Project Scarlett, or the entire Xbox ecosystem, as ambiguous as MS made it sound.



PotentHerbs said:

You're in a lot of Playstation threads....

Like I said, I comment on MS threads in general, especially the more polarizing/controversial ones, it has nothing to do with wanting their games. Unfortunately, these kind of PR statements from Phil, are the only things worth discussing about MS at the moment. Just no polarizing IP's to discuss (except Battletoads for all the wrong reasons). I don't see Gears 5 generating this kind of traffic. Crackdown 3 didn't generate this kind of traffic during its launch month. Can you explain why, if so many users on this site secretly want to play XOne exclusives?

Easy anwser to your question. When an Xbox game comes to another platform it generates excitement. Which we saw with The Outer Worlds, Cuphead, Ori, Hell Blade and Ashen just to name afew.

DonFerrari said:

We in VGC comment and argue over content and information even if a specific game doesn't concern us. Not sure why some are still surprised by that. I'm still waiting for evidence that he have all the experience with all the Sony games he claim, he also backtracked from CGI asking him for his credentials when he was lecturing about resolution, graphical development, etc.

What are you on about Don? I never questioned CGI of his credentials, you clearly span that. I know what CGI does for a living.

You said someone is a laymans in a debate and i clearly asked who is this layman you were referring to.

Lucky i dont take everything you say to heart or serious. I know your history to well.



Azz/Don

Seriously guys, you really shouldn't reply to each other (or talk about one another). It's clearly asking for trouble and is going far off-topic. Just spare yourselves the headache.



                                                                                                                                            

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CrazyGamer2017 said:

The current Xbox exclusivity "ASHEN" is going to come to PS4 in December 2019. So much for no further Xbox exclusives being unfaithful to Xbox

http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2019/08/ashen_comes_to_ps4_this_december_after_a_year_of_xbox_exclusivity

JRPGfan said:

Ashen a Xbox Console exclusive (made for ID@Xbox developer program) is now heading for the PS4...
It looks like Xbox only had 1year of exclusivity... and its now heading over (like 1year + 3days later).

Xbox NEVER said this was a timed exclusive, their messageing was "this is xbox only", now it turns out they had a 1year contract?
Like I know this is only for "futher plans", but its just silly that not long after the "no more games to other platforms",
you seem them lose something you thought was a pure console exclusive.

Erm, Microsoft hasn't had anything to do with Ashen for a while, a whole year before release Ashen was picked up and published by Annapurna Interactive, before that it was through ID@Xbox (Which don't tend to do lifetime exclusives...), Ashen and Cuphead are a few exceptions and while Ashen was at one point called a "Lifetime Exclusive" they did change that messaging later on to "Console Launch Exclusive" in June 2017...Ashen released in December 2018...

It's been pretty obvious that Ashen was going to end up being a multi-platform, heck, Epic Store moneyhatted Ashen away from Windows Store so that should make it even more obvious that Microsoft had nothing to do with the game anymore.

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PotentHerbs said:
LudicrousSpeed said:


How does this signify a worry about Microsoft dropping Xbox hardware? That same interview he literally says the best way to play high fidelity games is still with a machine sitting right in front of you. What is confusing about this? You can disagree with their push to include streaming all you want, you can disagree about the importance of services and engagement... but what here is confusing?



Again... whats the point here? They're going to push the hell out of xCloud but they've also been adamant that local hardware is going to be a big piece of the puzzle. Their whole GamePass and xCloud initiative is worthless without their own hardware, because rival console companies aren't about to let Microsoft's services on it. It's not one or the other, you can push strong for streaming and also still realize physical isn't going anywhere. Microsoft points that out every time they talk about streaming.




Well I'm glad you put confusing in quotations because if these articles you're referencing are your idea of confusing then it certainly deserves those quotations. Also they didn't contradict anything when they talked about bringing GamePass to other consoles. It's called context. Again, if a hugely anti-Xbox site like Resetera can be rational and logical about it, anyone should be able to.

MS doesn't care if you upgrade to Project Scarlett? Why wouldn't Microsoft want XBO users to buy Project Scarlett? MS is content as long as you're already invested to the Xbox ecosystem? How does MS view the next generation then? They'll support the XOne and Scarlett? Its all about software and service growth? This is not a line of thinking that is attractive for consumers ready for the next console generation. 

It sounds like Games Pass is taking precedence over the next generation Xbox. Which likely means MS Studios are going to develop and optimize for both the XOne/Scarlett. MS Studios won't be able to push the Scarlett if they're held back by the XOne. But I guess some of you are okay with that. 

This makes Scarlett sound like an after thought coming into the next generation. The worry is signified through the transition of Xbox as a console, to Xbox as a subscription service, as these statements from Phil make it sound like. Yes, MS is adamant about local hardware being key, but this could mean Project Scarlett, or the entire Xbox ecosystem, as ambiguous as MS made it sound.

But isn’t supporting your old console a good thing when Sony does it? How many times on this forum have we heard about Sony’s “ten year plan” that they started, even though Nintendo did it first? So now it’s a bad thing that Xbone owners might not have a reason to need to upgrade right away to Scarlett? 

Modern game design works exactly like you’re describing with developers designing for a wide range of hardware capabilities. You’re acting as if MS is going to radically change how game design or console generations work. There will be cross gen support for awhile, just like with every console, but eventually games will only be on Scarlett. MS doesn’t care if you upgrade, because if not, you can keep using GamePass and keep getting great games, or you can even use xCloud to stream those Scarlett games with your old Xbone. Sounds like a good deal for consumers?

But as they’ve been adamant about, streaming isn’t for everyone. So they’ll have powerful hardware there for anyone wanting to stay traditional. All their games work no matter how you’re going to consume them, so there’s no need to make up fake concern about how they’ll treat Scarlett.



CGI-Quality said:
Snoopy said:

It will happen over time, movies theaters are closing all across the country and soon Holly wood will release their movies on Hulu/Netflix day one.

Really? Provide me with sources to corroborate this.

Could refute the decline simply by pointing to the number of recent movies which surpassed a billion dollars in global cinema takings. No industry which pumps out a billion dollars at least twice a year with massive movies is going away any time soon.



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LudicrousSpeed said:
PotentHerbs said:

MS doesn't care if you upgrade to Project Scarlett? Why wouldn't Microsoft want XBO users to buy Project Scarlett? MS is content as long as you're already invested to the Xbox ecosystem? How does MS view the next generation then? They'll support the XOne and Scarlett? Its all about software and service growth? This is not a line of thinking that is attractive for consumers ready for the next console generation. 

It sounds like Games Pass is taking precedence over the next generation Xbox. Which likely means MS Studios are going to develop and optimize for both the XOne/Scarlett. MS Studios won't be able to push the Scarlett if they're held back by the XOne. But I guess some of you are okay with that. 

This makes Scarlett sound like an after thought coming into the next generation. The worry is signified through the transition of Xbox as a console, to Xbox as a subscription service, as these statements from Phil make it sound like. Yes, MS is adamant about local hardware being key, but this could mean Project Scarlett, or the entire Xbox ecosystem, as ambiguous as MS made it sound.

But isn’t supporting your old console a good thing when Sony does it? How many times on this forum have we heard about Sony’s “ten year plan” that they started, even though Nintendo did it first? So now it’s a bad thing that Xbone owners might not have a reason to need to upgrade right away to Scarlett? 

Modern game design works exactly like you’re describing with developers designing for a wide range of hardware capabilities. You’re acting as if MS is going to radically change how game design or console generations work. There will be cross gen support for awhile, just like with every console, but eventually games will only be on Scarlett. MS doesn’t care if you upgrade, because if not, you can keep using GamePass and keep getting great games, or you can even use xCloud to stream those Scarlett games with your old Xbone. Sounds like a good deal for consumers?

But as they’ve been adamant about, streaming isn’t for everyone. So they’ll have powerful hardware there for anyone wanting to stay traditional. All their games work no matter how you’re going to consume them, so there’s no need to make up fake concern about how they’ll treat Scarlett.

It sounds more than just supporting an old console. MS downplayed the need to buy the Scarlett. No where in that interview did Phil say current XOne owners didn't have to upgrade right away. Sony would never state they don't want current PS4 owners to upgrade to PS5. If they did, Nintendo and Xbox fans would be having a field day. Just look at how Sony have handled "ten year plans" in conjunction with a new console launch in terms of PR. If MS is implying a "ten year plan," they could have phrased it a lot better. 

Yes, cross generation games are a thing, but there aren't many of them past the first year. How many XBO/PS4 exclusives happened to be cross developed with the PS360 in mind? Titanfall and LBP3 are the only two that come to mind. Streaming Scarlett games on the XBO just devalues owning a Scarlett. Good for the consumer, sure, but many more also want a true next generation experience. I wouldn't want PS4 holding back games development for the PS5.



I don’t think Nintendo and Xbox fans would be having a field day. Not here, anyway. Here there’s a stark difference in video game discussion between PlayStation enthusiasts and other consoles.

And the amount of people who would be streaming Scarlett content is a big minority. It makes sense for Microsoft to talk big about upcoming initiatives like GamePass and xCloud, but they always go out of their way to make it clear that people who want to buy powerful hardware, plug it into their TV and enjoy next gen games will be right at home with Scarlett as well.