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teamsilent13 said:

False. The far left has complete control over academia and the flow of information which has created many lies in our society. I've been tested multiple times in my life. I have family whom are either successful outright or obvious underachievers. Such as my cousin being a doctor at age 21 with a lot of academic success and a perfect SAT or my grandmother who did not go to college, but got a full scholarship to go to Wharton and had extremely high skills with stenography. I forget the exact words per minute, but when my mother explained it to me years ago I looked up statistics and my grandmother wasn't far off the human records. I don't think this was any sort of mistake. My grandfather was a computer programmer for the government and was heavily relied upon by his leech fellow government workers. My uncle is a doctor in Mensa and I believe some intelligence group above it. Almost my entire family is believes in some level of untruth in society and is politically dissident (aka far right). Even the lowest IQ people in my family such as my Filipino side greatly outlier the average Filipino and are above normal intelligence. My father was in the Army Security Agency. Almost everyone in my family was measured with high IQ throughout life and put into gifted programs and such. Most of my online friends who would be considered conspiracy theorists are also of high intelligence and have measured as such.

1.)  Take it from me, someone who grew up a tad obsessed with IQ, and eventually grew out of it.  IQ measures a few aspects that people tend to correlate with intelligence, but it isn't the end-all measurement of intelligence.  There's a lot of aspects of intelligence that IQ tests don't measure.  

2.) Even if you're smart, it doesn't make you right about anything.  You're still subject to the same biases and the same errors as everyone else.  

Smarter people delude themselves with smarter lies.  

3.) People that are smart, don't usually have to flaunt their credentials.  



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teamsilent13 said:

False. The far left has complete control over academia and the flow of information which has created many lies in our society.

Citation needed.

teamsilent13 said:

Almost my entire family is believes in some level of untruth in society and is politically dissident (aka far right). Even the lowest IQ people in my family such as my Filipino side greatly outlier the average Filipino and are above normal intelligence. My father was in the Army Security Agency. Almost everyone in my family was measured with high IQ throughout life and put into gifted programs and such. Most of my online friends who would be considered conspiracy theorists are also of high intelligence and have measured as such.

When it comes to people and their family, personal possessions or anything else that they might hold in high regard, there is always a preconceived bias that they are better than what other people might have, it's a part of human nature... And you are falling into that trap.

Conspiracy theorists tend to rely on logical fallacies, which are inherently incorrect, thus their intellectual fortitude does and can be questioned.

teamsilent13 said:

I am a conspiracy theorist of sorts and I have over 145 IQ.

Apparently everyone has a high IQ.
Albert Einstein was believed to have an IQ of around 160~ -145~ isn't far from that, would you place yourself within arms reach of Einstein's intelligence? I would have to take into question if anyone on this forum's intelligence approaches that to start with. - And most importantly do you have evidence for such a claim from a reputable source? (I.E. Not from a Facebook/mobile application.)

teamsilent13 said:

We have an entire fake news media which lies directly to its audience with the exact opposite of the truth. It's pretty much the opposite.

Indeed we do. And it comes from both left wing and right-wing sources. Alex Jones, Fox News, CNN, all of it. Fake.

But the real issue isn't the fake news... It's the people who are extremely gullible who believe everything they read, Facebook for instance is notorious for it with older demographic/lower social economic tiers with inferior education levels falling for allot of right wing/left wing propaganda.

The fact is... The truth is what can be supported by empirical evidence (Or appropriate citations), if you don't have that, well... Your claim/news/assertion can be discarded in it's entirety until such a time it can be substantiated.

Hiku said:

I think it is tied to the misconception that LGBT is a choice. (I'm trying my hardest to be attracted to Brad Pit right now, but it's not working...)
It can't be that the person was born that way. That doesn't compute with some people. So they find things to blame.

You don't choose your sexuality.
But you do choose whether to engage in the "act" so to speak. - I guess some individuals confuse the two.

Much like those who get confused between the differences of weather and climate change...



teamsilent13 said:
SpokenTruth said:

These tend to be mutually exclusive.

False. The far left has complete control over academia and the flow of information which has created many lies in our society. I've been tested multiple times in my life. I have family whom are either successful outright or obvious underachievers. Such as my cousin being a doctor at age 21 with a lot of academic success and a perfect SAT or my grandmother who did not go to college, but got a full scholarship to go to Wharton and had extremely high skills with stenography. I forget the exact words per minute, but when my mother explained it to me years ago I looked up statistics and my grandmother wasn't far off the human records. I don't think this was any sort of mistake. My grandfather was a computer programmer for the government and was heavily relied upon by his leech fellow government workers. My uncle is a doctor in Mensa and I believe some intelligence group above it. Almost my entire family is believes in some level of untruth in society and is politically dissident (aka far right). Even the lowest IQ people in my family such as my Filipino side greatly outlier the average Filipino and are above normal intelligence. My father was in the Army Security Agency. Almost everyone in my family was measured with high IQ throughout life and put into gifted programs and such. Most of my online friends who would be considered conspiracy theorists are also of high intelligence and have measured as such.

If you really are intelligent, you would recognize the argument from authority fallacy you're using.  It one of the more egregious instances I've seen.  If we test IQs and mine is higher, does that mean you're wrong?

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teamsilent13 said:
SpokenTruth said:

Whether you recognize it or not, you just validated my point.

No. You made no valid points yet.

So not only did you not recognize my point but you didn't recognize your validation of my point.  Your IQ isn't matching your content here.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

JWeinCom said:

If you really are intelligent, you would recognize the argument from authority fallacy you're using.  It one of the more egregious instances I've seen.  If we test IQs and mine is higher, does that mean you're wrong?

Not to mention intelligence is all relative anyway.
Even a 2 year old infant that recognizes colours and shapes is more intelligent than a goldfish. Or even some Adults.



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teamsilent13 said:
Hiku said:

Alex Jones' crowd are still harassing Sandy Hook parents for "faking their children's deaths", and talking about Pizzagate.
I think conspiracy theories primarily attract certain people.

Those who spend very little/no time researching stories they've read. And experience cognitive dissonance when presented with contradicting facts.

I've seen a lot of weird stories that sound suspect. Some here on these forums. And upon looking into them, often turn out to be inaccurate, because some key details were wrong/omitted, etc.

Best thing you can do is try to stay as informed as possible about subjects you take an interest in, that carry some importance, before voicing your opinion on them.
But unfortunately some people deliberately spread misinformation.

I mean you're wrong, but you believe what you want. We have an entire fake news media which lies directly to its audience with the exact opposite of the truth. It's pretty much the opposite. I am a conspiracy theorist of sorts and I have over 145 IQ.

While most of this post is just hilarious, I someone agree that the conspiracy theory crowd isn't just individuals who don't do their research.

Most of the individuals I have spoken to who have been involved in conspiracy theories have known quite a bit about the topics they are speaking on (the quality of that information though is questionable). The issue however, I think is two-fold:
1) A desire to disavow the mainstream
2) Heavy confirmation bias

This leads into a sort of positive feedback loop where the individual finds a piece of information which goes against the mainstream knowledge, then snowballing into more and more pieces of information, with the individual putting less and less effort into verifying each one that agrees with them and going to greater and greater lengths to justify disbelieving the pieces that disagree with them.

As such, conspiracy minded individuals often accept poor sources of information that validate their beliefs and refute strong sources of information that contradict them, because at the crux of this whole issue is the fact that what matters is not the truth. What matters is the conspiracy. At some point, the end becomes the means.

I think it was a different forum, but not too long ago I was discussing I believe the Kavanaugh confirmation with someone who was more than a little conspiracy minded. They then unloaded a conspiracy on me which stated that the accuser's father was not only tied to the CIA, but was also coordinating with Russia (as per Russian sources) to bring down Trump (or something along those lines). Needless to say, it seemed a little farfetched to me, so I looked into the individual who wrote the article (it was on some fringe website that looked like it was out of 1999). In doing so, I found an article by this individual who stated that their Russian sources had confirmed that there was a big conspiracy involving Pluto, where it was removed as a planet to hide the religious symbolism to keep people from realizing that it was soon going to crash into the Earth (I wish I still had that url. It was glorious).

I then pointed this out and laughed him out of the conversation.

What had happened is the conspiracy became the means of explanation here. It was no longer the end result of "skepticism". Because really, what skepticism was put into that information? None. It was something which fit into the conspiracy, so it was blindly accepted. And I think this is common in conspiracy minded individuals. They will do research and find information that no one else has even looked at, but will not apply their so called "skeptical" principles to that information as long as it fits the narrative.



sundin13 said:
teamsilent13 said:

I mean you're wrong, but you believe what you want. We have an entire fake news media which lies directly to its audience with the exact opposite of the truth. It's pretty much the opposite. I am a conspiracy theorist of sorts and I have over 145 IQ.

While most of this post is just hilarious, I someone agree that the conspiracy theory crowd isn't just individuals who don't do their research.

Most of the individuals I have spoken to who have been involved in conspiracy theories have known quite a bit about the topics they are speaking on (the quality of that information though is questionable). The issue however, I think is two-fold:
1) A desire to disavow the mainstream
2) Heavy confirmation bias

This leads into a sort of positive feedback loop where the individual finds a piece of information which goes against the mainstream knowledge, then snowballing into more and more pieces of information, with the individual putting less and less effort into verifying each one that agrees with them and going to greater and greater lengths to justify disbelieving the pieces that disagree with them.

As such, conspiracy minded individuals often accept poor sources of information that validate their beliefs and refute strong sources of information that contradict them, because at the crux of this whole issue is the fact that what matters is not the truth. What matters is the conspiracy. At some point, the end becomes the means.

I think it was a different forum, but not too long ago I was discussing I believe the Kavanaugh confirmation with someone who was more than a little conspiracy minded. They then unloaded a conspiracy on me which stated that the accuser's father was not only tied to the CIA, but was also coordinating with Russia (as per Russian sources) to bring down Trump (or something along those lines). Needless to say, it seemed a little farfetched to me, so I looked into the individual who wrote the article (it was on some fringe website that looked like it was out of 1999). In doing so, I found an article by this individual who stated that their Russian sources had confirmed that there was a big conspiracy involving Pluto, where it was removed as a planet to hide the religious symbolism to keep people from realizing that it was soon going to crash into the Earth (I wish I still had that url. It was glorious).

I then pointed this out and laughed him out of the conversation.

What had happened is the conspiracy became the means of explanation here. It was no longer the end result of "skepticism". Because really, what skepticism was put into that information? None. It was something which fit into the conspiracy, so it was blindly accepted. And I think this is common in conspiracy minded individuals. They will do research and find information that no one else has even looked at, but will not apply their so called "skeptical" principles to that information as long as it fits the narrative.

The problem is that if there is an actually conspiracy, then by definition, the evidence is being hidden.  If the evidence is hidden, you can't access it, or at least can't confirm it, so you can have no justification in believing it.

If there actually is verifiable evidence, then you can present it, and it's not actually a conspiracy theory.

I think it is by definition impossible to have sound reasoning for believing a conspiracy theory.  Even if it winds up being true (which has happened in the past), that doesn't mean there was good reason to believe it before the evidence came out.



JWeinCom said:

The problem is that if there is an actually conspiracy, then by definition, the evidence is being hidden.  If the evidence is hidden, you can't access it, or at least can't confirm it, so you can have no justification in believing it.

If there actually is verifiable evidence, then you can present it, and it's not actually a conspiracy theory.

I think it is by definition impossible to have sound reasoning for believing a conspiracy theory.  Even if it winds up being true (which has happened in the past), that doesn't mean there was good reason to believe it before the evidence came out.

Yes, but like I said, that is only the first step. The first step is skepticism. Often irrational skepticism, but skepticism nevertheless. However, that step tends to devolve past reaching a conspiracy as an end through the means of skepticism (however rational that skepticism may or may not be) to using the conspiracy itself as a means to interpret other, new data.

That said, I agree with your overall point. Conspiracy theories are predicated on the denial of evidence, not the presence of it. They are born from saying "I don't believe what you are telling me so I will seek an alternative explanation, even if it is less substantive than the original".



teamsilent13 said:
SpokenTruth said:

These tend to be mutually exclusive.

False. The far left has complete control over academia and the flow of information which has created many lies in our society. I've been tested multiple times in my life. I have family whom are either successful outright or obvious underachievers. Such as my cousin being a doctor at age 21 with a lot of academic success and a perfect SAT or my grandmother who did not go to college, but got a full scholarship to go to Wharton and had extremely high skills with stenography. I forget the exact words per minute, but when my mother explained it to me years ago I looked up statistics and my grandmother wasn't far off the human records. I don't think this was any sort of mistake. My grandfather was a computer programmer for the government and was heavily relied upon by his leech fellow government workers. My uncle is a doctor in Mensa and I believe some intelligence group above it. Almost my entire family is believes in some level of untruth in society and is politically dissident (aka far right). Even the lowest IQ people in my family such as my Filipino side greatly outlier the average Filipino and are above normal intelligence. My father was in the Army Security Agency. Almost everyone in my family was measured with high IQ throughout life and put into gifted programs and such. Most of my online friends who would be considered conspiracy theorists are also of high intelligence and have measured as such.

False. The far left has complete control over academia and the flow of information which has created many lies in our society.

I thought you were a teenager after reading this line...I cannot even begin to express my disappointment in discovering that you are 28. 

⚠️ WARNED: Flaming ~ CGI

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OhNoYouDont said:
teamsilent13 said:

False. The far left has complete control over academia and the flow of information which has created many lies in our society. I've been tested multiple times in my life. I have family whom are either successful outright or obvious underachievers. Such as my cousin being a doctor at age 21 with a lot of academic success and a perfect SAT or my grandmother who did not go to college, but got a full scholarship to go to Wharton and had extremely high skills with stenography. I forget the exact words per minute, but when my mother explained it to me years ago I looked up statistics and my grandmother wasn't far off the human records. I don't think this was any sort of mistake. My grandfather was a computer programmer for the government and was heavily relied upon by his leech fellow government workers. My uncle is a doctor in Mensa and I believe some intelligence group above it. Almost my entire family is believes in some level of untruth in society and is politically dissident (aka far right). Even the lowest IQ people in my family such as my Filipino side greatly outlier the average Filipino and are above normal intelligence. My father was in the Army Security Agency. Almost everyone in my family was measured with high IQ throughout life and put into gifted programs and such. Most of my online friends who would be considered conspiracy theorists are also of high intelligence and have measured as such.

False. The far left has complete control over academia and the flow of information which has created many lies in our society.

I thought you were a teenager after reading this line...I cannot even begin to express my disappointment in discovering that you are 28. 

Show some respect.  His grandma types fast.