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The_Liquid_Laser said:
Sony is kind of in a no win situation here. The easy path is just to focus solely on home consoles. The home console market is where they have the greatest strength. But the problem with that is that the PS5 is going to struggle out of the gate, because Switch will just be too popular in 2020-2022. After that it still has to compete head on with Scarlett, Stadia, Steam and Epic Games. On top of that if the Switch's successor is the Switch 2, then it will probably be the most popular platform in 2023+. The hybrid concept can really be the future of console gaming as long as Nintendo wants to stick with it.

So then there is the other path that Sony could take, the hard path. Sony could release a handheld device and invest heavily into it, so that it competes with the Switch. This is a better long term plan, but it doesn't play to Sony's strengths. They will still probably lose on this path too, because Nintendo is so much stronger on the handheld side, but they actually have a better chance here since they could compete with the Switch directly.

In the end it is probably smarter for Sony to invest all of their eggs into the PS5 basket. Sure they'll lose, but they'll go down swinging and their hardcore fans will still love them. They can blame all of Sony's problems on "casuals" or something like that, so Sony still looks good and they might be able to eventually recover by the late 2020s.

Don't worry, PS5 won't struggle.

Stadia is a non factor, Switch (and its sucessor) means nothing to its sales, and PC gaming is also a non factor that has ever been there.

Scarlet/Anaconda will likely the the ones struggling, as PlayStation is by far the stronger brand, but even if XBOX grows back the PS5 will likely not struggle, at all.

So no worries here, it'll be fine.

I think it might even get more one sided with XBOX than it was this gen, actually.



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The_Liquid_Laser said:
Sony is kind of in a no win situation here. The easy path is just to focus solely on home consoles. The home console market is where they have the greatest strength. But the problem with that is that the PS5 is going to struggle out of the gate, because Switch will just be too popular in 2020-2022. After that it still has to compete head on with Scarlett, Stadia, Steam and Epic Games. On top of that if the Switch's successor is the Switch 2, then it will probably be the most popular platform in 2023+. The hybrid concept can really be the future of console gaming as long as Nintendo wants to stick with it.

So then there is the other path that Sony could take, the hard path. Sony could release a handheld device and invest heavily into it, so that it competes with the Switch. This is a better long term plan, but it doesn't play to Sony's strengths. They will still probably lose on this path too, because Nintendo is so much stronger on the handheld side, but they actually have a better chance here since they could compete with the Switch directly.

In the end it is probably smarter for Sony to invest all of their eggs into the PS5 basket. Sure they'll lose, but they'll go down swinging and their hardcore fans will still love them. They can blame all of Sony's problems on "casuals" or something like that, so Sony still looks good and they might be able to eventually recover by the late 2020s.

PlayStation. Doomed since 1994.



BraLoD said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:
Sony is kind of in a no win situation here. The easy path is just to focus solely on home consoles. The home console market is where they have the greatest strength. But the problem with that is that the PS5 is going to struggle out of the gate, because Switch will just be too popular in 2020-2022. After that it still has to compete head on with Scarlett, Stadia, Steam and Epic Games. On top of that if the Switch's successor is the Switch 2, then it will probably be the most popular platform in 2023+. The hybrid concept can really be the future of console gaming as long as Nintendo wants to stick with it.

So then there is the other path that Sony could take, the hard path. Sony could release a handheld device and invest heavily into it, so that it competes with the Switch. This is a better long term plan, but it doesn't play to Sony's strengths. They will still probably lose on this path too, because Nintendo is so much stronger on the handheld side, but they actually have a better chance here since they could compete with the Switch directly.

In the end it is probably smarter for Sony to invest all of their eggs into the PS5 basket. Sure they'll lose, but they'll go down swinging and their hardcore fans will still love them. They can blame all of Sony's problems on "casuals" or something like that, so Sony still looks good and they might be able to eventually recover by the late 2020s.

Don't worry, PS5 won't struggle.

Stadia is a non factor, Switch (and its sucessor) means nothing to its sales, and PC gaming is also a non factor that has ever been there.

Scarlet/Anaconda will likely the the ones struggling, as PlayStation is by far the stronger brand, but even if XBOX grows back the PS5 will likely not struggle, at all.

So no worries here, it'll be fine.

I think it might even get more one sided with XBOX than it was this gen, actually.

They are setting the PS5 up to be like the PS3, a powerful machine facing tough competition.  It would be insane to expect different results when they are doing the same things all over again.

Replicant said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:
Sony is kind of in a no win situation here. The easy path is just to focus solely on home consoles. The home console market is where they have the greatest strength. But the problem with that is that the PS5 is going to struggle out of the gate, because Switch will just be too popular in 2020-2022. After that it still has to compete head on with Scarlett, Stadia, Steam and Epic Games. On top of that if the Switch's successor is the Switch 2, then it will probably be the most popular platform in 2023+. The hybrid concept can really be the future of console gaming as long as Nintendo wants to stick with it.

So then there is the other path that Sony could take, the hard path. Sony could release a handheld device and invest heavily into it, so that it competes with the Switch. This is a better long term plan, but it doesn't play to Sony's strengths. They will still probably lose on this path too, because Nintendo is so much stronger on the handheld side, but they actually have a better chance here since they could compete with the Switch directly.

In the end it is probably smarter for Sony to invest all of their eggs into the PS5 basket. Sure they'll lose, but they'll go down swinging and their hardcore fans will still love them. They can blame all of Sony's problems on "casuals" or something like that, so Sony still looks good and they might be able to eventually recover by the late 2020s.

PlayStation. Doomed since 1994.

I was thinking more like, "Playstation.  Doomed like 2006-2013."



super_etecoon said:
Azzanation said:
Potable sounds like a toilet so probably not.

That water in your toilet is non-potable, or I wouldn't advise drinking it at least...unless you're really, really thirsty.  But to each his own.

yeah, that one's called eau de toilette. Wouldn't drink that, either ^^



The_Liquid_Laser said: 
Replicant said:

PlayStation. Doomed since 1994.

I was thinking more like, "Playstation.  Doomed like 2006-2013."

So it's "PlayStation. Doomed in 2006-2013 and 2020-∞"?

Don't forget that you're predicting that "PS5 will struggle out of the gate".



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Replicant said:
The_Liquid_Laser said: 

I was thinking more like, "Playstation.  Doomed like 2006-2013."

So it's "PlayStation. Doomed in 2006-2013 and 2020-∞"?

Don't forget that you're predicting that "PS5 will struggle out of the gate".

I also said they'd probably recover at the end of the 2020s.  Basically PS5 will lose this next generation, just like the PS3 lost generation 7.  "∞" is not part of my argument, and I'm not sure how you'd get that from "PS5 will struggle out of the gate".



How would you insert a ps4 disc into a portable? If it's digital only, then hell no!



Shiken said:

They get destroyed everytime they try to do anything portable in terms of gaming and left their most recent one to die...so no. Better off focusing on the PS5.

How often did Sony try to do anything portable in terms of gaming?

The PSP sold over 80 million units (probably more than the 3DS-family will reach). I wouldn't call that "destroyed".

So their only dud was the Vita or did I forget something?



No i want Sony to move on and focus on the home console Market



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The_Liquid_Laser said:
BraLoD said:

Don't worry, PS5 won't struggle.

Stadia is a non factor, Switch (and its sucessor) means nothing to its sales, and PC gaming is also a non factor that has ever been there.

Scarlet/Anaconda will likely the the ones struggling, as PlayStation is by far the stronger brand, but even if XBOX grows back the PS5 will likely not struggle, at all.

So no worries here, it'll be fine.

I think it might even get more one sided with XBOX than it was this gen, actually.

They are setting the PS5 up to be like the PS3, a powerful machine facing tough competition.  It would be insane to expect different results when they are doing the same things all over again.

There is a big difference going on.

With the PS3 Sony made a machine that was so expensive they could not price it competitively.

Back then console were still based around unique structures that would differentiate it internally a lot from the competition, and the one Sony choose was not easy to deal with without a lot of comitiment, which ultimately took too long from most devs.

Now both XBOX and PlayStation have very similar structured consoles with minor differences that set them apart. What we heard from both Sony and then Microsoft is very similar. Both systems are very easily comparable to PCs when conversion is at matter and will use mostly the same components.

There is no PS3 situation anymore. There will be two quite similar consoles with some unique things that make them better/worse than each other and what can weight to any being better is the amount of it they are willing to pack into the console. PS and XB will likely both be priced as $500 at launch.

Aside from the hardware being similar and the pricing being probably the same what will weight the most are the games and Sony has Microsoft completely beat on that.

From my perspective there is no hope for XB4 to beat PS5 unless Sony somehow changes a lot of what they are doing now until launch and decide to not eat the price to make it $500 and release it for $700. Not even with the PS3 they did that, they sold a $800 machine for $600.

Making a strong console doesn't mean making another PS3. The PS4 was stronger than the XBO and has been Sony's second most successful console ever.

Even Microsoft knows they are the ones in quite a disavantage here, while they are buying studios left and right to try to compete with Sony's output as their have lost a lot of traction Sony has used the last two generations perfecting their own to now having a good bunch of the best studios and most successful games out there.

So, unless they really do pull a PS3 here out of the blue in the end of their development cycle for the PS5 there is little chance they will struggle, and honestly the only way they can remotely come close to that is delivering a machine priced too much higher than the one from Microsoft, but I hardly doubt that will be the case, MS is already pushing the $500 mark themselves with the XBO X.

It looks like Sony will be consolidating ever more their dominance in the market to me. I think we might even see MS putting their games on the PS5 as they are starting to do with the Switch.

Only time will tell, you may be right, I may be right, we both may be wrong and Apple/Amazon are coming to dominate the market, or Sega is getting back, who knows. But right now I see no reason to expect the PS5 to struggle, honestly.

Last edited by BraLoD - on 28 July 2019