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The rumoured other model is starting to look more and more like a dedicated home console. A Switch that doesn't need to be underclocked sounds like a 'modest upgrade'.
2D Mario, Animal Crossing, Pokemon and Switch-lite covers the DS gang so it's just the Wii Sports crew left to pick up with a low priced, Netflix streaming, SwitchTV.

Switch Sports + 2 Joycons or BOTW 2 and a Pro controller for $250 sounds reasonable.



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gergroy said:
Mnementh said:

Well, as they successfully reduced the price by one third for the Lite, I can see why Nintendo believes there is a market for it.

For a TV-only Switch I am not so sure. While handhelds are a market and nothing current is in that market besides Switch a Switch Lite at a lower pricepoint to further dominate that market makes sense. In the TV-console area though there is competition. And I don't see what a non-portable Switch on TV offers over a PS4. The hybrid Switch allows to seamlessly switch between TV and handheld, this is something else. For a TV-only Switch something additional is needed.

Basically it would allow them to reduce the price of the unit, much like the portable only unit.  Also, you can’t play Nintendo games on a PS4, that is how it differentiates.  The games.  

At that point though, they may as well just release a new console altogether and make Switch their new handheld device to go alongside it.  A TV only Switch would almost have to be 4K compatible to hold any real relevance without portability, and given the power of the current Switch, you may as well just release a new dedicated console at that point.

Your logic works well on paper, but fails hard in practice in this case.



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RolStoppable said:
The very same rumor that talked about the Lite stated that there's no Pro coming, but only a modest upgrade. 

Do you mean this Bloomberg article?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-23/nintendo-s-big-rally-on-china-prospects-hasn-t-scared-off-shorts

“The existing Switch will receive a modest upgrade this year, though a more powerful version is not in the works, the people said” 

There have been several stories on the 'Mini' and 'Pro' over the months, and I don't quite remember where it originated.
But yeah, it could be something similar to what we saw with New 3DS.

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RolStoppable said:

The first time they provided sales figures for Labo was in the briefing for Q1 of fiscal year 2018. Combined shipments for the Variety Kit and Robot Kit had reached 1.39m units as far as I remember. The figure barely moved upwards during the rest of the fiscal year. Despite the release of the Vehicle Kit, Labo didn't manage to cross 2m in calendar year 2018, so combined shipments during Q2 and Q3 of the fiscal year were under 0.61m.

Still, 1.5 million is still pretty good for a single year. Not everything has to be a rapid selling mega hit to be profitable or successful.

Considering that Nintendo's in-house development teams have the task to develop products that improve hardware sales, Labo has been unsuccessful and there's no way around it. The Labo series of games has been a failure because it couldn't meet its goal of bringing in new customers. Nintendo sugarcoats the shortcoming of Labo by pointing towards awards that were won, but they did forego to give Labo a holiday marketing push because they already knew that the money is much better spent on Super Mario Party, Pokémon: Let's Go and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Internally they had written off Labo long before the year 2018 had ended.

It's doubtful that they will make any more sales figures of Labo public, simply because Labo isn't going to hit a new sales milestone.

Labo was never designed to be a system selling killer app. It was always intended to be a niche product for a different market. Something Nintendo themselves said even before it launched. Even when it launch, there wasn't really a massive marketing push for it. And to your second point, Nintendo already has a bunch of system sellers on the Switch. Again, If their console was struggling, then I can see sales being held to a higher standard for New IP or Non-Franchise games. But the Switch is healthy in both hardware and software sales, Nintendo has the room to toy around with niche 1-2 million sellers, in adition to system sellers that do arrive.



I'm also predicting we'll only be seeing a modest upgrade when we DO get a replacement. It'll probably have the exact same dimensions, *maybe* an improved screen, likely an improved battery life, possibly more storage, but nothing enormous. It likely won't be able to do any games that the current model can't, though it might be able to run permanently "docked-mode specs".

And, as basically everybody else has said, it'll replace the current model at the $300 price point.



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Hiku said:
RolStoppable said:
The very same rumor that talked about the Lite stated that there's no Pro coming, but only a modest upgrade. 

Do you mean this Bloomberg article?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-23/nintendo-s-big-rally-on-china-prospects-hasn-t-scared-off-shorts

“The existing Switch will receive a modest upgrade this year, though a more powerful version is not in the works, the people said” 

There have been several stories on the 'Mini' and 'Pro' over the months, and I don't quite remember where it originated.

The original story was run by the Wall Street Journal and their source was a Japanese analyst with knowledge of the situation. His name escapes me at the moment.

In any case, the WSJ is usually restricted to subscribers, so links to it aren't useful because non-subscribers can't read much more than the headline of an article. The Japanese analyst regularly uses his Twitter account and he made it a point that the modest upgrade is not something on the level of difference that the PS4 Pro was to the PS4. I don't know how to find things on Twitter and I don't remember the date of the original story either, so I won't even try to dig. The excerpt of the Bloomberg article gets it right, so that's at least something.

Regardless, a lot of people have run with 'Pro' and at some point it settled in as truth despite being a false description of what is in the works.



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Shiken said:
gergroy said:

Basically it would allow them to reduce the price of the unit, much like the portable only unit.  Also, you can’t play Nintendo games on a PS4, that is how it differentiates.  The games.  

At that point though, they may as well just release a new console altogether and make Switch their new handheld device to go alongside it.  A TV only Switch would almost have to be 4K compatible to hold any real relevance without portability, and given the power of the current Switch, you may as well just release a new dedicated console at that point.

Your logic works well on paper, but fails hard in practice in this case.

Why the hell would it have to be 4K to have any relevance?  My switch games look great on my 4K tv... not sure why that is necessary.  Believe it or not, there are many people that would prefer to play their games on their tv’s instead of a tiny 4 inch screen.  

The reason why Nintendo shouldn’t release a new dedicated console separate from the switch is it would divide their software efforts.  Nintendo is much better off releasing their games so that they are compatible with all their devices.



gergroy said:

Why the hell would it have to be 4K to have any relevance?  My switch games look great on my 4K tv... not sure why that is necessary.  Believe it or not, there are many people that would prefer to play their games on their tv’s instead of a tiny 4 inch screen.  

The reason why Nintendo shouldn’t release a new dedicated console separate from the switch is it would divide their software efforts.  Nintendo is much better off releasing their games so that they are compatible with all their devices.

That's part of the reason why I told him on Discord that he shouldn't be drinking on Wednesdays.



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gergroy said:
Honestly, I think it more likely that they come out with a switch tv, a non portable switch, then a switch pro. Then people would have a choice of what they want, portable only, tv only, or both with the original. Not sure why anybody would get either of the limited options... but Nintendo believes there is a market for it...so there probably is...

That's quite an interesting take... Knowing Nintendo it's very possible that it will happen. I could honestly  see there being a market for a Switch "Home" alongside a premium Switch sku and Lite.

I would think that if this was the case the "Home" version would have to be a substantial upgrade from the original and Lite to keep it's value up against the PS5/Xbox 2. Considering now you don't have the portability factor (and all that entails) to account for the low raw processing power.



 

gergroy said:
Shiken said:

At that point though, they may as well just release a new console altogether and make Switch their new handheld device to go alongside it.  A TV only Switch would almost have to be 4K compatible to hold any real relevance without portability, and given the power of the current Switch, you may as well just release a new dedicated console at that point.

Your logic works well on paper, but fails hard in practice in this case.

Why the hell would it have to be 4K to have any relevance?  My switch games look great on my 4K tv... not sure why that is necessary.  Believe it or not, there are many people that would prefer to play their games on their tv’s instead of a tiny 4 inch screen.  

The reason why Nintendo shouldn’t release a new dedicated console separate from the switch is it would divide their software efforts.  Nintendo is much better off releasing their games so that they are compatible with all their devices.

Because anything less than 4K for a non portable gaming device in today's day and age would get torn apart from the media.  Of course this will not matter to true fans, but true fans make up the minority of overall sales for any gaming device.

Think about it, what has everyone's defense been for the power level of the Switch...portability (which is worth it TBH).  Take that away and there would no longer be any excuse for it.  Haters would have a field day and the media would put a negative spin on it for the general public, especially with the PS5 and Scarlett right around the corner.

So that leaves one question, would it be worth the investment just to satisfy true fans.  In all fairness probably not.  The WiiU was arguably purchased mainly by true fans, and we see how that turned out.  Also factor in the fact that a good number of true Nintendo fans are satisfied with the base Switch and would see a jump to just full 1080p with no portability as not worth the money to upgrade (I have no reason for a Lite for example, so I will not be getting one unless it is a Zelda collector edition).  With that in mind, the boost in sales would be negligible on that front.  I mean, you said it yourself.  Your Switch games look fine on your 4K TV, so what kind of advantage would a 1080p box truly have?

Much like how Switch haters like to look at their own desires to discredit the device as a whole, I feel like you are only looking at what you would be ok with and assuming everyone else should be on board.  There are so many factors that go into a decision like this however, that it will never be that simple from a business perspective.

Also let me be clear, my money is on a Switch 2 in 2022 rather than another dedicated TV box for next gen for the reasons you mentioned regarding developing for one platform.  I am just simply stating and explaining why a next gen dedicated console with a huge leap would make more sense than a dedicated Switch TV box that would barely generate a fraction of the hype that the Lite or Hybrid models have.

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