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o_O.Q said:
tsogud said:

I'm not implying anything. You're hearing what you want to hear because you dislike leftists and their policies, so you try to connect Antifa with all leftists to spin your narrative that left=bad and right=good. I don't agree with the violence that Antifa commits, Ngo shouldn't have been assaulted.

I'm simply stating the fact that if you are actively and continuously provoking a violent extremist group and show up in front of said extremist group you should be prepared for what may come because they're dangerous and unpredictable. It's just common sense really.

"so you try to connect Antifa with all leftists to spin your narrative that left=bad and right=good."

how have i done so? can i get some quotes to substantiate this argument? or is this more lies like the claims that andy ngo was a proud boy and far right?

why are people like you resorting to lying so much in this thread?

I definitely want clarification on this "right=good" when have i ever said that right is good? what right wing policies am I in support of? please educate me on what my position is

"I'm simply stating the fact that if you are actively and continuously provoking a violent extremist group and show up in front of said extremist group you should be prepared for what may come because they're dangerous and unpredictable. It's just common sense really."

ok so don't expose antifa, don't try to oppose them, just let these assholes take over... ok

are you against protests in general? or just when it comes to opposition to antifa?

Wow... All I have said is facts and common sense, if you are that blinded by your own bs that you can't even agree on common sense then you have lost the argument entirely and you should be educated.

Your avatar and your posting history says it all tbh. You don't have to lie about your position and hide from it when it's blatantly on display.

You're making another logical fallacy, which is quite common with you, in that you assert I said that you said "right=good." I never said that you said that, what I said was that it was the narrative that you're pushing by your rhetoric. Myself and others have brought up facts about Ngo (that he wasn't just an innocent bystander) and have ALSO condemned Antifa in the same breath but you have continuously tried push for the narrative that Ngo was completely innocent when the facts tell otherwise and then try to imply we're on Antifa's side because we dared to criticize Ngo. Quite hypocritical of you.

And on the last two points of yours, I have already explained my position on that to you. Unlike you I don't like talking in circles so I'm not going to repeat myself.

Maybe if you'd just step out of your polarizing strict "left vs. right" world view bubble you'd realize that what I'm saying holds truth.

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Machiavellian said:
o_O.Q said:

he's a reporter, were you expecting him to quit his job?

I expect him to be smart.  I expect him not to go into a group of violent people and believe he is safe.  I expect if he was going to go into a group of violent people he would either be fast, evasive, can kick some ass or have a pose with him.  If none of the above, then you have to ask yourself was he foolish, believed nothing would happen or knew what he was getting into and went in their like a soldier.  Either way, it was his decision.  People put themselves into dangerous situations all the time if things go south, well sometimes they do not make it.  

My point is that Mr. Ngo knew the situation.  He knew they were on the lookout for him, he knew through the things he has done previously that the group were definitely not going to shake his hand.  Maybe he thought the only thing he would get is a bunch of milkshakes and eggs thrown at him.  Either way, I wonder for the next protest like this will he go into the middle of the group again.

Bullshit. You can do all the mental gymnastics you want to excuse these scum, but these animals were absolutely in the wrong. Ngo is a reporter (for a website that, per their own cheif editor, is on record stating they are of a center-left, independent bent, similar to myself). But even if they're far right wing that shouldn't fucking matter in the first place. In what insane world can people defend Fascists (and yes that is exactly what KKKlantifa is) intimidating reporters into silence and violence because they have different political bents??

We shouldn't be asking why a reporter is on the scene doing his job - we should be asking why are there a group of masked domestic terrorists beating on journalists in the first place! and furthermore why did the police stand down and not help this reporter out? And why are a ton of media excusing or even defending it? Frightening times in this country when shit like this is allowed to happen and millions (many of whom are of high influence in society) can somehow excuse/enable this. I've studied history and I see where this leads if this mob mentality of violence/censorship goes unchecked and gets out of hand. Hint: Germany circa the mid 1940s.

But I guess this is what happens when we all divide into mindless tribes and abandon all personal responsibility. That's our country now I guess. It's always "It's not MY fault I'm a despicable human, it's THIS GUY'S fault!" 



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NightlyPoe said:
RolStoppable said:

How convenient for you that you couldn't be bothered to check the sources that lack journalistic integrity.

I don't think I clicked on any of the videos around here.  Nothing convenient about it.

Regardless, you decided to stick up for Fox News.

I pointed out that your description was wrong and Fox News's was closer to the truth.

You had your chance to prove your sincerity.

I'm comfortable that I don't like media in general.  I assure you I have no problem saying that Fox News has its own set of issues when it comes to journalism with a narrative, but the description you quote is not one of them.

Feel free to make assumptions about me though.  I know I can't stop the prejudice from prejudicing.

You also said "if he [Ngo] messed up the UK article" which isn't a commitment that he did mess up, but merely an acknowledgement for the possibility that he may have messed up.

I didn't look into it.  You'll excuse me for not just taking your word.

This thread is about anifa's violent behavior.  Personally, I like to stay on subject and not let myself be led around by whatever distraction someone tosses in my path.

I know you want to shift the subject to something else.  Particularly since you put yourself in a corner by putting yourself on record as condoning domestic terrorism in this thread, but I'm not going to let your rope me into auditing every article Ngo ever published before I decide whether there were mitigating circumstances for his assault.

Conversely, you still harp on the Vox article and claim that it had only one angle.

What's your definition of "harping" because I've only ever brought it up in regard to responding to you.  If you care never to hear me speak of it again, most likely all you have to do is not talk about it anymore.

And, yes, it obviously only had one angle.  If you think that was a piece of objective journalism, I don't know what to tell you.

I've gone to the beginning of this thread to read your posts again. It's pretty clear that you want to remove the context of Ngo from this Antifa thread. Despite evidence being presented of Ngo having a history of antagonizing Antifa and despite evidence of Ngo knowing that Antifa mentioned him by name prior to the event, you refuse to acknowledge that Ngo himself was a significant contributor to the assault that transpired.

This thread is about Antifa and Ngo, not just Antifa alone.



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RolStoppable said:

I've gone to the beginning of this thread to read your posts again. It's pretty clear that you want to remove the context of Ngo from this Antifa thread. Despite evidence being presented of Ngo having a history of antagonizing Antifa and despite evidence of Ngo knowing that Antifa mentioned him by name prior to the event, you refuse to acknowledge that Ngo himself was a significant contributor to the assault that transpired.

This thread is about Antifa and Ngo, not just Antifa alone.

Are you under the impression that antifa beating up a journalist because he has a history of filming their illegal behavior makes it better?

I've not denied that context.  Assaulting a political enemy so as to silence them with fear is what makes them terrorists.

Not buckling to the terrorism certainly doesn't mean that Ngo is at all a contributor to his own assault though.  It is 100% on antifa.



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tsogud said:
o_O.Q said:

"so you try to connect Antifa with all leftists to spin your narrative that left=bad and right=good."

how have i done so? can i get some quotes to substantiate this argument? or is this more lies like the claims that andy ngo was a proud boy and far right?

why are people like you resorting to lying so much in this thread?

I definitely want clarification on this "right=good" when have i ever said that right is good? what right wing policies am I in support of? please educate me on what my position is

"I'm simply stating the fact that if you are actively and continuously provoking a violent extremist group and show up in front of said extremist group you should be prepared for what may come because they're dangerous and unpredictable. It's just common sense really."

ok so don't expose antifa, don't try to oppose them, just let these assholes take over... ok

are you against protests in general? or just when it comes to opposition to antifa?

Wow... All I have said is facts and common sense, if you are that blinded by your own bs that you can't even agree on common sense then you have lost the argument entirely and you should be educated.

Your avatar and your posting history says it all tbh. You don't have to lie about your position and hide from it when it's blatantly on display.

You're making another logical fallacy, which is quite common with you, in that you assert I said that you said "right=good." I never said that you said that, what I said was that it was the narrative that you're pushing by your rhetoric. Myself and others have brought up facts about Ngo (that he wasn't just an innocent bystander) and have ALSO condemned Antifa in the same breath but you have continuously tried push for the narrative that Ngo was completely innocent when the facts tell otherwise and then try to imply we're on Antifa's side because we dared to criticize Ngo. Quite hypocritical of you.

And on the last two points of yours, I have already explained my position on that to you. Unlike you I don't like talking in circles so I'm not going to repeat myself.

Maybe if you'd just step out of your polarizing strict "left vs. right" world view bubble you'd realize that what I'm saying holds truth.

Edit: For posterity I should mention his avatar is Trump with the caption "I am growing stronger"

first off let me ask you something, do you consider andy ngo to be a hero for his opposition to antifa? if so why not?

"You don't have to lie about your position and hide from it when it's blatantly on display."

i'm asking you to substantiate your assertion and looking through your post its apparent that you don't have anything with which to do so? so why make the assertion to begin with? are you going to start preaching to me about god next? how would that be any different?

"You're making another logical fallacy, which is quite common with you"

but constantly making assertions with no backing isn't a fallacy i suppose lol

"Myself and others have brought up facts about Ngo"

no one has shown yet that he is either a proud boy or far right despite many here claiming that is the case

"in that you assert I said that you said "right=good." I never said that you said that, what I said was that it was the narrative that you're pushing by your rhetoric."

i'll ask again, can i have some evidence? you claim to deal in facts right? can I have some please?

" Myself and others have brought up facts about Ngo (that he wasn't just an innocent bystander)"

yes by claiming he was either far right or a proud boy... facts?... evidence?

" but you have continuously tried push for the narrative that Ngo was completely innocent when the facts tell otherwise"

to elaborate he is GUILTY by your own admission of exposing assholes who run around splitting peoples' heads open with hunks of metal

"Maybe if you'd just step out of your polarizing strict "left vs. right" world view bubble"
lol at this point i'm not even going to bother repeating myself

"For posterity I should mention his avatar is Trump with the caption "I am growing stronger"

correct, which is relevant how? oh I see is that the evidence that I believe the right to be good? not anything i've posted, not a declaration of my position, but an avatar? lmao



NightlyPoe said:
o_O.Q said:

"It also always amuses me how many people misuse the word fascism."

lol what do you understand fascism to mean?

Eh, technically it is being misused.  They've got some qualities of fascists like the forcible suppression of opposing views, but fascism is a general right-wing ideology of extreme nationalism.

From a definition POV, it'd be like calling a neo-Nazi a communist.

I understand that and its a state imposed ideology but i'm always very very interested in seeing what he has to say



tsogud said:
Locknuts said:
Never really heard anything about the Proud Boys apart from what is reported about them in the mainstream media so I went to their website.

"Proud Boys‘ values center on the following tenets:

Minimal Government
Maximum Freedom
Anti-Political Correctness
Anti-Drug War
Closed Borders
Anti-Racial Guilt
Anti-Racism
Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment)
Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)
Glorifying the Entrepreneur
Venerating the Housewife
Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism"

Apart from 'closed borders' I agree with their platform. Does that make me a Nazi?

Lmao you really think they're just gonna put "we're misogynistic white nationalists!" on their OWN website do you?? That'd be pretty naive of you.

Lol i doubt they will get many white nationalists on their side when they clearly present Anti-Racism as a value,it could also be a problem that a good amount of them are non whites.

Do you have an opinion of them and what information did you follow to come to that conclusion?

"venerating the housewife" lol

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DarthMetalliCube said:
Machiavellian said:

I expect him to be smart.  I expect him not to go into a group of violent people and believe he is safe.  I expect if he was going to go into a group of violent people he would either be fast, evasive, can kick some ass or have a pose with him.  If none of the above, then you have to ask yourself was he foolish, believed nothing would happen or knew what he was getting into and went in their like a soldier.  Either way, it was his decision.  People put themselves into dangerous situations all the time if things go south, well sometimes they do not make it.  

My point is that Mr. Ngo knew the situation.  He knew they were on the lookout for him, he knew through the things he has done previously that the group were definitely not going to shake his hand.  Maybe he thought the only thing he would get is a bunch of milkshakes and eggs thrown at him.  Either way, I wonder for the next protest like this will he go into the middle of the group again.

Bullshit. You can do all the mental gymnastics you want to excuse these scum, but these animals were absolutely in the wrong. Ngo is a reporter (for a website that, per their own cheif editor, is on record stating they are of a center-left, independent bent, similar to myself). But even if they're far right wing that shouldn't fucking matter in the first place. In what insane world can people defend Fascists (and yes that is exactly what KKKlantifa is) intimidating reporters into silence and violence because they have different political bents??

We shouldn't be asking why a reporter is on the scene doing his job - we should be asking why are there a group of masked domestic terrorists beating on journalists in the first place! and furthermore why did the police stand down and not help this reporter out? And why are a ton of media excusing or even defending it? Frightening times in this country when shit like this is allowed to happen and millions (many of whom are of high influence in society) can somehow excuse/enable this. I've studied history and I see where this leads if this mob mentality of violence/censorship goes unchecked and gets out of hand. Hint: Germany circa the mid 1940s.

But I guess this is what happens when we all divide into mindless tribes and abandon all personal responsibility. That's our country now I guess. It's always "It's not MY fault I'm a despicable human, it's THIS GUY'S fault!" 

Lol, who is excusing Antifa.  See this is the problem with a lot of you in this thread.  Me calling out Mr. Ngo doesn't have anything to do with Antifa in who they are. It's already well established they are a violent group.  It would be like a black man walking into the middle of a KKK clan expecting hugs and kisses. I am saying that Mr. Ngo did not go into the middle of this group of violent people not knowing the situation.  Just because you feel sorry for him doesn't remove the fact he choose to jump in the fire.  It also doesn't matter if he is a reporter because being smart enough to care about your well being means you can continue to do your job. 

So what you are saying in your second paragraph is that reporters are stupid.  We should not be asking the question of why a reporter who has clashed with a violent group, doxx their members and was outed by their leader would walk directly into their group. So somehow, we do not expect Mr. Ngo to be smart enough to understand the danger but instead shocked he got his ass handed to him for doing something dangerous.

Also where are you getting your info that the Police stand down and did not help.  Where did you see any police in any of those videos or do you believe they magically knew what was going on and decided that Mr. Ngo deserve that beating.  You must have woke up yesterday if you believe this hasn't happened throughout America history.  Maybe you should consult that history lesson more because this isn't even close to some incidents in the past.



LOL.  No one cares that this man got beat up.  In fact, its Karma.  

When are you going to learn that you don't live in a world where people HAVE to continually be provoked by you and take it? Like reality.

He got off easy.  

Let me see... I don't like ISIS.  They are a violent murderous group.  Let me condemn all of them every day, making a living out of doing so and then show up at their doorstep and provoke them because they can't touch me because I'm that fucking stupid.

Oh shit I got my ass kicked and my back broken.   Why didn't they just deal with me and take it.  I'm right after all.  I'm so special I don't have to consider anything but my on emotions!  ME!!!!!

Kick rocks.  You can't trade the moral high ground for common sense and expect to make out okay.