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TranceformerFX said:
Hiku said:

If you're under the impression that he doesn't even appear until "you're a quarter through the game", and convinced that the flashback happens in the reactor, then I can maybe see why you'd think that was shitty writing. But even then it would depend on how they develop the events of Midgar this time around.

"this time around"

That's a problem, because it doesn't need to go any other way. But it will, I have no doubt...

As for your wall of ranting, nothing I said gave away story elements that someone who's never played the game could piece together.

Spoiler!
But yours did. I pointed out time frames and characters that didn't give anything away other than when gamers FIRST ENCOUNTER Sephiroth in person, or at least that's what we all thought initially.
BUT NO, Here's you giving away an "oh snap"

 moment like the fumbling forum poster that you are.

Spoiler!
Like, did you really think that all of us kids who played FF7 just magically forgot that it REALLY wasn't Sephiroth on the Junon Boat? Like dude, you didn't need to say that. 

You're insight wasn't important, and sure as hell didn't elevate the conversation or bring a close to the debate. I'm sorry you had to clarify something we already knew.

Do you walk around telling everyone grass is green?

~Edited to add a spoiler tags
-Hiku

You casually blurt out major story events. They don't have to piece anything together because you told them exactly what happens.
No one who plays the game for the first time and

Spoiler!
gets on that boat wants to know that they'll encounter Sephiroth. That's supposed to be a surprise. Nobody wants to know beforehand that Sephiroth was presumed dead, but is alive.

And my comment simply stated that you don't meet Sephiroth in Junon. Insinuating that you named the wrong city/location, again, like how thismeintiel corrected your earlier location.

You should have picked up on it, and left it at that. Instead you're specifying incredibly unnecessary things. You even repeated what I had inside my spoiler tag, without using a spoiler tag...
So I had to edit them into your post.

And I sincerely doubt you know the story.
You complained about a flashback, but then when corrected on it claimed it was about in person. Even though you specifically said flashback.
You casually blurt out a ton of story spoilers, but when corrected on something, claim you were concerned about spoilers.

I see a pattern.
If someone corrects you on something, then you give an explanation that doesn't make sense.
But even after you claimed you were concerned about spoilers, you still repeated what I said inside my spoiler tag, without using any.
You're not even trying to make this look convincing.

So you clearly don't care about that.

Also, refrain from condescending name calling like you tend to do. You were warned about the same thing just a few days ago.
Normally you'd get another warning for that, but I'll just remind you here again.

Oh and from now on, use spoiler tags whenever you talk about anything story related.

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konnichiwa said:
twintail said:

I mean its quite obvious that the MH stream itself was going to be better, why wouldn't it? Sony/ Capcom used SoP to basically advertise the MH stream for those who didn't know about it etc. Besides, Sony has (had) a marketing deal for MH, so why not show it?

The FF7 trailer has over 1 million views in 12 hours, and you question why they bothered? 

'and people will be happy' - your opinion on the SoP doesn't represent everyone else. And Sony aren't going to use SoP to announce PS2 ports, that is what their blog is for.

For a 10 minute stream, not much to really complain about imho. I do wish the Predator reveal was meatier but they will probably have something soon (like previews they did for the VR stuff from SoP1)

Seems like it is still in active development which is good. Could end up skipping PS4 I reckon. 

They can show it but doesn't really make it great for me seems pointless when we will see it soon and a lot more. Depends maybe if it is first party, I prefer how bethesda did it with their Fallout 4 show a teaser and six weeks later more. Almost half of state of play was MH/FFVII while it is only a 10 minute video it feels like filler. State of play felt very shallow but I guess we see more next month.

FO4 was teased on the 2nd of June, revealed on the 3rd and got info blowout on the 14th.

And FF7 had the second shortest trailer. Anything + MH made up half of it. Sony announcing a new PS4 exclusive, giving a date to MediEvil and showcasing some indies doesn't seem very shallow to me, especially after they told you what to expect and delivered more than that. 



Was very meh, April was a lot better.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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DonFerrari said:
Was very meh, April was a lot better.

I guess it depends on what games you were looking forward to, April had some interesting games but the main focus was VR, now I'm not bashing VR in the slightest, but since I've never used it, I can't say anything really appealed to me, other than perhaps No Man's Sky getting VR which I imagine will be pretty amazing and could tip me over the edge :P

This month was so much better for me simply because I was looking forward to seeing more of MediEvil, wasn't expecting the Monster Hunter World expansion to get a slot but it's definitely looking pretty darn amazing, and of course we got the (not really a) surprise trailer for Final Fantasy VII Remake at the end, which has kicked my hype levels up another notch, especially with news that we'll see/hear more next month too!

Like I said though, I guess it just depends on the games you're looking forward to



Bristow9091 said:
DonFerrari said:
Was very meh, April was a lot better.

I guess it depends on what games you were looking forward to, April had some interesting games but the main focus was VR, now I'm not bashing VR in the slightest, but since I've never used it, I can't say anything really appealed to me, other than perhaps No Man's Sky getting VR which I imagine will be pretty amazing and could tip me over the edge :P

This month was so much better for me simply because I was looking forward to seeing more of MediEvil, wasn't expecting the Monster Hunter World expansion to get a slot but it's definitely looking pretty darn amazing, and of course we got the (not really a) surprise trailer for Final Fantasy VII Remake at the end, which has kicked my hype levels up another notch, especially with news that we'll see/hear more next month too!

Like I said though, I guess it just depends on the games you're looking forward to

I was more comparing number of good games show and presented. And yes I like VR.

Away was a good surprise.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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I liked this one.

The first one looked just like a bunch of trailers for games that most don't give a danm. This time, MH and FFVII made it special.

Shame it's too short though.

HandofPrometheus said:
They just white washed the hell out of Barret. Lighter skin and his hair doesn't even resemble black hair anymore.

Other than that game looks good. Doesn't seem like the XV combat but more so Crisis Core.

Really? He didn't look 'washed out' for me.

konnichiwa said:
4.5/10

Seems harsh but the best things they shown were MH/FFVII and they don't really add much, the MH stream right after was better and we knew that we probably would have seen more FFVII at E3. Why a small teaser for FFVII? Teasers should be for a new game. Imagine seeing a red haired women run trough a forest and hear a T-rex Roar.......Dino Crisis see more at E3 that's an great teaser. Predator was a good announcement but except for the name I am not excited for the game...:s. For sony it is lackluster and it should not be hard to make it better. I wish they still did PS2 games on PS4. Release more of them (the SMT games/persona etc) and announce them at state of play and people would be happy.

John2290 said:
The first state of play was ten tumes better for my taste and wants but it's good some people are happy with this, at ten minutes Iw asn't expectig much and got what I expected. Good to see F7R coming along and with a more realisticly set graphical ceiling shich is great as we may actually get all three parts before 10th gen.

I'd rather have two big games than 10 small games. This state of play looked more extraordinary while the first one looked too ordinary to me.

I still don't like that carousel like animation they use to connect everything, it looks too much like Nintendo Direct format. I still hope they stop being cheap and make a true programme with presenters and some commentary.



My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

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Hiku said:

You casually blurt out major story events. They don't have to piece anything together because you told them exactly what happens.
No one who plays the game for the first time and

Spoiler!
gets on that boat wants to know that they'll encounter Sephiroth. That's supposed to be a surprise. Nobody wants to know beforehand that Sephiroth was presumed dead, but is alive.

And my comment simply stated that you don't meet Sephiroth in Junon. Insinuating that you named the wrong city/location, again, like how thismeintiel corrected your earlier location.

You should have picked up on it, and left it at that. Instead you're specifying incredibly unnecessary things. You even repeated what I had inside my spoiler tag, without using a spoiler tag...
So I had to edit them into your post.

And I sincerely doubt you know the story.
You complained about a flashback, but then when corrected on it claimed it was about in person. Even though you specifically said flashback.
You casually blurt out a ton of story spoilers, but when corrected on something, claim you were concerned about spoilers.

I see a pattern.
If someone corrects you on something, then you give an explanation that doesn't make sense.
But even after you claimed you were concerned about spoilers, you still repeated what I said inside my spoiler tag, without using any.
You're not even trying to make this look convincing.

So you clearly don't care about that.

Also, refrain from condescending name calling like you tend to do. You were warned about the same thing just a few days ago.
Normally you'd get another warning for that, but I'll just remind you here again.

Oh and from now on, use spoiler tags whenever you talk about anything story related.

How does mentioning a headless Jenova, Sephiroth's sword, and Cloud reminiscing about his past in Kalm reveal any spoilers?

Are you insinuating that those details give away key plots to the overarching story? I didn't divulge any info on Cloud's story time in Kalm, did I?

I'm 31 years old, and chances are that I played FF7 way before you. But regardless of possible age difference, I know the story. Which you do too. 

The reason I belittled you is because you found it necessary to get hung up on a detail you THOUGHT I missed (Sephiroth not actually being "in the flesh" on the Junon Boat) and you had to assert your knowledge on the matter without actually contributing to the argument that I'm making, or at least trying to make. Clearly you pride yourself by looking smart on forums, which is why you said "And I sincerely doubt you know the story." and "technically, you don't meet him in the flesh on the Junon Boat either".

Do you have anything to contribute to why I think that Sephiroth appearing that early in the game is "shitty writing" other than politely gloat about your knowledge that you assumed I didn't have?



twintail said:
TranceformerFX said:
It won't be Ghost Recon.

It'll probably be the next Call of Duty, considering Sony still holds the license for exclusive content for COD games since Advanced Warfare.

Current gamestop stock info seems to suggest a June 4th reveal. But still possible.

GoOnKid said:

But why not? Wouldn't it be much more impactful if the first one actually had a megaton? That wuld probably create some massive excitement, I think.

Sony didnt skip gamescom/ paris games show, and PSX, as well as drop out from E3, to suddenly have some megaton announcement in a streaming event that may or may not have gotten a lot of viewer coverage.

Besides BraLod has some irrational hate for the first. 

That said, it's good to be hopeful and enjoy the hype since that is fun in itself. 

I have no irrational hate about anything. It's very rational, it sucked real bad.

OT: this one was good, not great because there was no new games that excited me, but nothing that bad too.

MH was good to see there, but FF7 was the only real hit... and sadly it was so, so short. That seems to be a problem of this format, after showing a short trailer there is just nothing else... could have added some Square guy talking a bit about how its progressing... well, at least we have a close date to when we'll get to see/know a bit more about it.

I hope we don't stop having decent chunks of actual gameplay and comments over games like we have on traditional events. Stuff like Uncharted 4 or God of War 4 had on PSE/E3, 10 minutes of live gameplay and then some info about the game following, that's how it feels good.



BraLoD said:

MH was good to see there, but FF7 was the only real hit... and sadly it was so, so short. That seems to be a problem of this format, after showing a short trailer there is just nothing else... could have added some Square guy talking a bit about how its progressing... well, at least we have a close date to when we'll get to see/know a bit more about it.

I hope we don't stop having decent chunks of actual gameplay and comments over games like we have on traditional events. Stuff like Uncharted 4 or God of War 4 had on PSE/E3, 10 minutes of live gameplay and then some info about the game following, that's how it feels good.

I wouldn't say that is really much of a problem with a game that is presumably getting a large focus in a months time. Having some SE guy talking a bit afterwards would be incredibly pointless as they wouldn't really be able to say anything of note. 

Also I doubt you get anything remotely like those sort of gameplay footage. This isn't an E3/ GC/ PSX replacement. It is just an avenue for announcements akin to the PS Blog.

Just like the 1st SoP where the announcements were for a bunch of PSVR stuff that got previews a week or 2 later, the likes of MH are announcements with bigger info drops coming afterwards (MH livestream and the SE E3). Even Medievil got additional info announced after the SoP. 

Presumably that is how it's going to be going forward: SoP for announcements, new trailers, outside of SoP for more meaty info related to said announcements/ trailers.



TranceformerFX said:

How does mentioning a headless Jenova, Sephiroth's sword, and Cloud reminiscing about his past in Kalm reveal any spoilers?

Are you insinuating that those details give away key plots to the overarching story? I didn't divulge any info on Cloud's story time in Kalm, did I?

I'm 31 years old, and chances are that I played FF7 way before you. But regardless of possible age difference, I know the story. Which you do too. 

The reason I belittled you is because you found it necessary to get hung up on a detail you THOUGHT I missed (Sephiroth not actually being "in the flesh" on the Junon Boat) and you had to assert your knowledge on the matter without actually contributing to the argument that I'm making, or at least trying to make. Clearly you pride yourself by looking smart on forums, which is why you said "And I sincerely doubt you know the story." and "technically, you don't meet him in the flesh on the Junon Boat either".

Do you have anything to contribute to why I think that Sephiroth appearing that early in the game is "shitty writing" other than politely gloat about your knowledge that you assumed I didn't have?

I don't believe I said that about Kalm, and I didn't mention Sephiroth's sword. Describing Jenova's state was unnecessary at best, but the two main ones were the ones I mentioned in the spoiler tag in the comment you just quoted, which you ignored to address for some reason.
Surely you can understand why someone wouldn't want to be told that their pleasant, let's say train ride, will turn into a surprise encounter with the main antagonist? They'd want to be surprised while playing the game. Likewise, hearing about Sephiroth

Spoiler!
being presumed dead, but apparently being alive

is also not something I want to hear from someone before I start playing the game. At the very least, it would bug me up until I get to the point in the game where I find out how much of an impact that prior knowledge had.
And the way this Remake will shape up, I won't even know the answer to that until I play the game. This time around they could start off by making the player

Spoiler!
think he is alive, and finding out that he supposedly got killed a few years ago becomes a twist that puts into question all the things you've seen up until that point.

Spoiling doesn't merely come down to key story elements, but a person's enjoyment of the story. If their enjoyment is diminished because of unnecessary information they were told by someone, then that is a problem. 

And you seem to often either take things, or make things, personal.
For instance; "I'm 31 years old, and chances are that I played FF7 way before you."
Now I actually have an interesting story about this, but I don't want to reply with it because you presented it as a silly pissing contest.

If someone thinks you are misinformed (with good reason might I add) and tries to inform you of something, you don't have to take it so personally. And it does not mean that they are gloating. I even tried to keep it subtle, until after you started with personal attacks. And at that point, you think I should not have said that I doubt you know the story?
I don't know what world you live in where you just expect people to just take that from you, and if they don't you act as if it was unwarranted.

And let's be clear on one thing. I was not the only one who thought you missed some details. Everyone talking to you about this seemed to be under that impression. @twintail thought the scene you accused of being poorly written may just be a red herring (it does not look to take place in the reactor that you described). @thismeintiel thought you were mistaken about when Sephiroth first appears in a flashback. And I was under that same impression, partially due to your initial claim of poor writing, which I'll get into in a bit, and also how you said you were refering to in-game encounters, even though you clearly said your issue was with a flashback. Which lead to me to think you may have been mistaken regarding the other event you described as well.

So you have yourself to blame for coming off as someone who forgets or doesn't notice details. What part of the Sephiroth scene in the new trailer looked like it took place in the reactor? Because it doesn't look anything like the reactor we've seen so far. So the fact that you didn't notice that means you probably didn't even consider that the scene may take place somewhere else. Even though you complained about it.

I still don't understand why you brought up in-person encounters with Sephiroth. How does when you encounter him in-person contribute to making a flashback scene shitty writing, if it occurs before leaving Midgar?

And FYI, when you say things like "Clearly you pride yourself by looking smart on forums", and then follow it up with "I'm 31 years old, and chances are that I played FF7 way before you", you look like you're projecting your own issues with pride.
In fact, the mod team discussed your behavior a while ago, and you do come off as someone who takes or makes things personal out of nowhere. You got yourself in trouble just a few days ago for doing exactly that, when calling another person 'dumb as hell' out of the blue. And conversations with people like that rarely pan out well.

Case in point, even after you said you were concerned about spoilers, you went out of your way to repeat what I said inside my spoiler tags, outside of any, and draw as much attention as possible to the fact that there may be an additional meaning to something I said, and how...

And look at this from my perspective. You initially described a flashback scene as taking place 'inside the reactor', when it looks nothing like a reactor, as "shitty writing" because of when Sephiroth is introduced.
When someone pointed out that Sephiroth is introduced way earlier than you described, you said you meant "in-person encounters" even though you specifically stated that your issue was with a flashback. And you didn't explain the correlation between the flashback and in-person encounters.
So when you then went on to describe another event, is it my fault for thinking that you may be mistaken again, or that your understanding of that event may be relevant to whatever your issue is with flashback vs in-person encounters?
I expected you to explain all of that by now, rather than what you're doing here instead.

So within your next post, I want all of these questions thoroughly explained.
Specifically, why exactly you brought up in-person encounters, and how that relates to what you said about it being shitty writing if there's a flashback scene before you leave Midgar rather than right after.
And do use spoiler tags when dealing with story related elements.

And I did tell you not to make the argument about the other person, rather than what they said.

Last edited by Hiku - on 11 May 2019