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Will Avengers:Endgame beat Avatar?

Yes 68 80.00%
 
No 17 20.00%
 
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alternine said:
So damn close. Movie just released with so much competition and was so front loaded. Should have easily passed Avatar by now. Better late than never I guess.

Easily?  Avatar was in theaters for 46 weekends through 2 releases.  Endgame has only been out for 12 weekends and is playing in 700 less theaters than Avatar was at this point in its run.  The global box office record was always going to be a tough nut to crack, but it has already passed Avatar's initial run without counting the "Avatar: Special Edition" which released 9 months after Avatar.



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It got adjusted up so the difference is slightly less then seven million now. If it happens fast it will pass it in a little over two weeks if it happens slow its going to take a little over three weeks.



Mandalore76 said:

Easily? 

A lot of people were expecting over 3 billion for a total run.  

But Endgame didn't have anything for legs.  

Mandalore76 said:

Avatar was in theaters for 46 weekends through 2 releases.  Endgame has only been out for 12 weekends and is playing in 700 less theaters than Avatar was at this point in its run.  The global box office record was always going to be a tough nut to crack, but it has already passed Avatar's initial run without counting the "Avatar: Special Edition" which released 9 months after Avatar.

Most of those weeks though, Avatar made less than 2 million.  In the US, Avatar made almost 94% of it's total + special edition total in 11 weeks.  



Chris Hu said:
It got adjusted up so the difference is slightly less then seven million now. If it happens fast it will pass it in a little over two weeks if it happens slow its going to take a little over three weeks.

Oh wow that's even closer!  Surely it'll pass Avatar by the end of this month, I think (hopefully).



the-pi-guy said:
Mandalore76 said:

Easily? 

A lot of people were expecting over 3 billion for a total run. 

But Endgame didn't have anything for legs.  

Mandalore76 said:

Avatar was in theaters for 46 weekends through 2 releases.  Endgame has only been out for 12 weekends and is playing in 700 less theaters than Avatar was at this point in its run.  The global box office record was always going to be a tough nut to crack, but it has already passed Avatar's initial run without counting the "Avatar: Special Edition" which released 9 months after Avatar.

Most of those weeks though, Avatar made less than 2 million.  In the US, Avatar made almost 94% of it's total + special edition total in 11 weeks.  

I don't think those were tempered expectations though.  It's very difficult to have "legs" in a crowded release schedule. The Worldwide and Domestic box office records are both held by "Christmas release" films.  It's much easier to have better weekend to weekend holds during the barren release schedules of January-February than it is for a movie that releases at the end of April. 

Avatar's only competition was Alvin and the Chipmunks:  The Squeakquel (12/23/09 - $443m lifetime worldwide), Sherlock Holmes (12/25/09 - $524m lifetime worldwide), and Shutter Island (2/19/10 - $294m worldwide) until Alice in Wonderland came out in March.

And The Force Awakens only competition came from The Revenant (12/25/15 - $532m worldwide), Daddy's Home (12/25/15 - $242m worldwide), and Kung Fu Panda 3 (1/29/16 - $521m worldwide) until Deadpool came out mid February. 

Compare this to Endgame which has faced the releases of Pokémon: Detective Pikachu (5/10/19 - $429m worldwide), John Wick Chapter 3: Parabellum (5/17/19 - $316m worldwide), Aladdin (5/24/19 - $961m worldwide), Godzilla: King of the Monsters (5/31/19 - $383m worldwide), Toy Story 4 (6/21/19 - $773m worldwide), and Spider-Man: Far From Home (7/2/19 - $847m worldwide).



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It'll get there soon enough, a month tops at this rate! I can't imagine they'll pull it from theatres when it's this close.

If Endgame had to be a December release like Avatar or Star Wars I can only imagine the total damage that movie would have done.



Endgame comes out on DVD on August 13.  Too many people are saying that they will just wait and get it on DVD at this point.  At this point it's Kevin Feige vs. the Disney process.  You better believe that Feige wants Endgame to take the record, but the movie industry is at the point where the DVD/Blu-Ray comes out just a few months after the theatrical release.  

Kind of sucks. In this environment a movie has to be extremely front loaded in order to take the record.



The_Liquid_Laser said:

Endgame comes out on DVD on August 13.  Too many people are saying that they will just wait and get it on DVD at this point.  At this point it's Kevin Feige vs. the Disney process.  You better believe that Feige wants Endgame to take the record, but the movie industry is at the point where the DVD/Blu-Ray comes out just a few months after the theatrical release.  

Kind of sucks. In this environment a movie has to be extremely front loaded in order to take the record.

That's the evolution of media nowadays. It's easier to get content and it's easier just to wait for content just to save money and what not. Not to mention that ticket prices are not what they used to be back in the day.

Here's the Annual U.S. ticket prices over the years: https://www.natoonline.org/data/ticket-price/

Hell, the theaters I've gone to nowadays have ticket prices of $12-14, unless there are certain events going on (i.e., Tuesday Matinee or Movies Night special or something similar to that). But then again, DVDs/Blu-Rays are not necessarily cheap options either.

To be fair, it appears that its easier to be close to $500 million at the box office than it has ever been in the past for blockbusters. Hell, the majority of films in the $1 billion box office club released in the 2000s-2010s (exceptions are Titanic (1997), Star Wars Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999), and Jurassic Park, after the 3D release (1993)). Though it would be neglectful to forget that movie budgets and marketing for big blockbuster movies are bigger nowadays. Plus, we have social media to help spread word of mouth better than ever.

The stars would have to align again for a blockbuster movie to reach the heights of Avatar, Star Wars: The Force Awakens, Avengers: Endgame, and even Titanic. All of these movies had a lot going for them to reach $2 billion. Avatar released at a time when 3D movies were trendy, James Cameron was well-regarded as a director (even to this day, I would presume), the movie released against soft competition, and the movie was well-received (82% on RT). Avengers Endgame released as a culmination of 11-years (and 20+ films) of development within the well-received MCU (so you already have a huge fanbase), a highly anticipated follow-up to another $2 billion box office member in Infinity War (as shown throughout social media), a familiar and well-regarded ensemble cast, and huge marketing. Star Wars Episode VII released 10 years since the last live action Star Wars movie (Revenge of the Sith), was well-received, and had long-time fan favorite characters returning (Han Solo, Chewbacca, C3PO, R2-D2, Leia, and, in the ending scene, Luke Skywalker). Titanic, against all odds, succeed in the box office due to great reception (89% on RT), popular rising stars (Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet) leading in a love story based on a historical event, and the awe of the film's special effects, especially in relation to the Titanic itself.



$6.5M to go, and most of the foreign box office returns on BOM are only updated through July 7, meaning we have more than a week's worth of returns to add assuming it's still running in most of those markets. It's still making money in the U.S., too. I think once the movie is completely gone from theaters, it will have passed Avatar.

Passing Avatar's inflation-adjusted gross domestically is going to be tougher. If we ignore the re-release, then Avatar made $864.2M domestically in its original theatrical run. Endgame still has over $12.2M to go before it gets to that point. Endgame might be able to make that much by time it ends its run, but it's far from guaranteed. If we do count Avatar's re-release, then Endgame will not pass Avatar domestically. Though I imagine if Hollywood counted ticket sales instead of grosses, Endgame has likely already comfortably passed Avatar since the latter had such a large portion of its ticket sales come from 3D and IMAX showings.

Last edited by Shadow1980 - on 17 July 2019

Box Office Mojo has Avatar listed at $760.5 million domestically and Endgame at $851.9 million and counting.

Where are you getting the $864.2 million number from?



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