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Machiavellian said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

This only makes me more determined to continue my fight for freedom and equality.  I will continue my fight for freedom and equality. I will not let anyone like you stand in my way!  I will only do a job that I want to do not a lousy job that I do not want to do. I scored a free university degree that I will not have to pay off. I am going to make more noise and complain about things that are unfair and unjust. I will continue my fight for fairness and equality. 

It is hard trying to stay motivated while being  depressed, anxious and dealing with various issues. Long term unemployment makes issues in life feel a lot worse. Most of the time I have been too depressed, anxious, humiliated and ashamed to deal with the world. Most of my issues are inside my head and it is never going to change.

So, does that mean if you do not get a job with any of the top 4 accounting firms then you will do nothing at all.  Exactly what are you declaring.  It really doesn't appear you are looking for change but instead looking for pity.  What exactly are you looking to accomplish.  What is the goal you are setting and the steps you are working on to accomplish those goals.  Are you expecting to be handed a good job or are you serious about working for it.  After reading a bunch of your replies, I am still wondering exactly what you are seeking to do concerning your situation or are you not considering anything.

I am not doing anything. I gave up and have just done nothing with my life. I have no plan, I just drift through life and no motivation and no ambition. In my country you actually have to earn over a certain amount before you have to repay back student loans. I do not want to do cleaning toilets, labouring, factory, farm work, gardening or any job that requires hard physical work.  I do not know what jobs I want to do and interests me. I need to be passionate and enjoy what I am doing or it is not worth it. To be honest I did not really want to work in any accounting firm. I never applied for any graduate jobs because I do not have a passion or interest in accounting. I did not care that I did not find accounting job because it is boring and monotonous and I did not put any effort into my studies. 

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Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Commerce was a useless degree for me. What I believe matters more than some random anecdotal story that they heard some people gain work with a Commerce degree. Obviously they came from a  rich background with lots of opportunities in life. Biggest waste of time and most of the stuff I learned was useless to the real world. So many migrants use an easy degree like Commerce as an easy way to gain entry into the country and qualify for citizenship. Commerce/Business degree does not specialise in anything and is less useful than Engineering, IT or Law degree.  I put Commerce on par with Arts and Science as being a weak degree that does not specialise in anything, with limited employment prospects. 

There are no jobs that are suitable for me and I have not applied for any jobs for many years. I pretend to look for work and write jobs down and never apply for them. Why would I apply for jobs that I have no hope of getting? I never mentioned Commerce degree on my resume, because I believe it is a useless degree and irrelevant to most jobs and made me overqualified for those low entry unskilled jobs.

Again with the assumptions.

No these people did not come from a rich background. In fact they were international students, who got jobs and then they become Australian citizens year later. No one to give them a leg up or anything Australia will not give you a citizenship without working. They had to work a minimum of 3 years to qualify and even pass english tests at a certain level to get bonus points towards their citizenship.

You know why they found work? because they do not have centrelink to fall back on as they were not citizen. They did everything in their power to find a job with a commerce degree.

Hell I know engineers who gave up job hunting who had the same attitude as you but in the end they still found some sort of work to support themselves and heir family.

In the end you have to start somewhere, it don't matter hat degree you have. Hell you may not even enjoy the work you studies for and that is fine. I seen people change career paths to something they like instead. They took pay cuts to start from the beginning and work their way back up. Sometimes in life you need to take a few steps back in order to get a run up to leap over a wall blocking you.



 

 

I did not look for any work related to commerce. I did not bother applying for jobs and I just took it easy and enrolled in other courses that I quit. There were too many people applying for graduate jobs and I could not be bothered writing long applications for no response. I could not be bothered has been a common theme that has dominated my entire life. I believe if I had family and friends that were in this field that I may have been able to get a job without doing anything. I believe in things in life being handed without working for it as shown in TV/Hollywood films. Know the right people to bypass the selection and interview process and get a job handed on a silver platter happens all the time where rich kids had mummy or daddy pull the strings and gets their kids jobs in company or firm.

What are the odds of getting a job? Is it a lot of time/effort to gain employment? Is this qualification a waste of time or worthwhile? Is the job easy or hard work?



Ok I just spoke to a friend in Perth at 1:30AM in the morning my time.

He is willing to talk to you (i.e. take time out of his busy schedule), in person (his family runs a security company) and tell you what qualification you need to get to get a security license. Said it is about $800 all up.

Wants to have an informal interview to see what kind of character you are and drive you have before he makes up his mind on whether you should do the course or not and whether he is willing to employ you.



 

 

Dark_Lord_2008 said:

https://unemployedworkersunion.com/job-seekers-v-job-vacancy-data/

2018 (December)

Unemployed: 666,700 (Labor Force, ABS 6202.0)

Underemployed: 1,117,500  (Labor Force, ABS 6202.0)

Hidden’ unemployed: 1,080,000   (Participation Job Search and Mobility February 2018, ABS 6226.0)

Department of Employment, Vacancy Report: 183,900′

2,864,200 competing for 183,900 job vacancies

Ratio of job seekers to job vacancies: 1 to 15.57 

Clearly not enough jobs and majority of unemployed remain unemployed at the end of the month. Failure of businesses and government policy not creating enough employment. More part-time jobs are being created and fewer full time jobs are being created that increases the rate of underemployment.

False.  That Vacancy Report only follows online job postings through SEEK, CareerOne and Australian JobSearch.  Most job vacancies are not posted on the Internet.  Gas (petrol) stations, grocery stores, small mom and pop shops, etc...  They make up the majority of jobs and most do not post their vacancies online.  And fewer still post them to those 3 job sites.  And even those that do post to job sites such as SEEK often get bundled into 1 listing for dozens of positions like this one for a 7-11 Retail Assistant but is shows a dozen stores with multiple positions each....and that's just the suburbs of Melbourne.

Your Hidden Unemployment figure is also false.  91% are not actively looking for work (homemakers, stay at home mom/dad, between ages 15 and 18 and living at home, etc...).  That reduces your 1,080,000 number down to 97,200. 

Take all that into account and your 1 to 15.57 ratio is grossly exaggerated. The Australian Unemployed Workers Union should be ashamed of themselves for such a misrepresentation of data.  I also question the legitimacy of an organization that claims to be operated by the unemployed.  How do unemployed people run a news and advocacy network with branch coordinators, state coordinators, national and state committee members, executives, media representatives, and phone operators? That doesn't sound like they are very unemployed to me.



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DonFerrari said:
JWeinCom said:
I've been unemployed for about a month, and it's getting me more depressed than I usually am.

I was a teacher, but I just couldn't do it. It wasn't for me. Unfortunately a teaching degree doesn't allow you to do much else besides teach (my undergrad was in English) so I'm sort of shit out of luck. I'm looking to get into the legal world so I've been filling out applications for entry level paralegal work. That's usually a straight out of college thing, so I was hoping an advanced degree would give me an edge, but no luck so far. I may go to law school, but that means another three years, and I'm terrified of winding up in a similar situation 3 years from now, finding out that I'm not equipped to be a lawyer either.

The whole thing has me feeling like shit and scared out of my mind that I'll just never be able to work. Has me just about on the verge of a breakdown. Just needed to vent I guess.

Before starting or getting feed up with being a teacher you dreamed about it or was just a out of the moment decision? Because really a major in teaching with minor in English wouldn't have much use out of it. If you may want some tip, you may try some career as instructor, just need to learn the trade or subjects because the teaching methodology you already know. And an Instructor have much shorter contact with people and usually people that really want to learn that, so much "easier" to deal than teaching to young people.

I wouldn't say I dreamed of it, but it was something I thought I would reasonably enjoy, and something that I'd be good at.  Unfortunately I was wrong.  Part of it is me I'm sure. I tend to be really hard on myself when things aren't going well, which is a natural part of teaching.  I'm not always super organized which is important.  Part of it is the system being broken.  Like, when you have a class where some of your brighter students still add on their fingers and you're supposed to be teaching them things like multiplying decimals.



JWeinCom said:
DonFerrari said:

Before starting or getting feed up with being a teacher you dreamed about it or was just a out of the moment decision? Because really a major in teaching with minor in English wouldn't have much use out of it. If you may want some tip, you may try some career as instructor, just need to learn the trade or subjects because the teaching methodology you already know. And an Instructor have much shorter contact with people and usually people that really want to learn that, so much "easier" to deal than teaching to young people.

I wouldn't say I dreamed of it, but it was something I thought I would reasonably enjoy, and something that I'd be good at.  Unfortunately I was wrong.  Part of it is me I'm sure. I tend to be really hard on myself when things aren't going well, which is a natural part of teaching.  I'm not always super organized which is important.  Part of it is the system being broken.  Like, when you have a class where some of your brighter students still add on their fingers and you're supposed to be teaching them things like multiplying decimals.

Understood... teaching is really for a very few people. Usually you'll either find people that are very passionate and want to pass down knowledge or you'll see people that failed at their fields retrieving for teaching position to put food on the table and complain all the time about being ill paid and whatnot.

I hope you can get back on your foot fast.



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DonFerrari said:
JWeinCom said:

I wouldn't say I dreamed of it, but it was something I thought I would reasonably enjoy, and something that I'd be good at.  Unfortunately I was wrong.  Part of it is me I'm sure. I tend to be really hard on myself when things aren't going well, which is a natural part of teaching.  I'm not always super organized which is important.  Part of it is the system being broken.  Like, when you have a class where some of your brighter students still add on their fingers and you're supposed to be teaching them things like multiplying decimals.

Understood... teaching is really for a very few people. Usually you'll either find people that are very passionate and want to pass down knowledge or you'll see people that failed at their fields retrieving for teaching position to put food on the table and complain all the time about being ill paid and whatnot.

I hope you can get back on your foot fast.

Thanks.  I took my LSATS and applied to law school.  So, I have a plan.  I'm just worried I'll wind up in the same position.  It sucks that with these kinds of jobs you have to put so much in before you know if it will work out for you.



JWeinCom said:
DonFerrari said:

Understood... teaching is really for a very few people. Usually you'll either find people that are very passionate and want to pass down knowledge or you'll see people that failed at their fields retrieving for teaching position to put food on the table and complain all the time about being ill paid and whatnot.

I hope you can get back on your foot fast.

Thanks.  I took my LSATS and applied to law school.  So, I have a plan.  I'm just worried I'll wind up in the same position.  It sucks that with these kinds of jobs you have to put so much in before you know if it will work out for you.

Well life can be harsh and uncertain.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

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Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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Cobretti2 said:
Ok I just spoke to a friend in Perth at 1:30AM in the morning my time.

He is willing to talk to you (i.e. take time out of his busy schedule), in person (his family runs a security company) and tell you what qualification you need to get to get a security license. Said it is about $800 all up.

Wants to have an informal interview to see what kind of character you are and drive you have before he makes up his mind on whether you should do the course or not and whether he is willing to employ you.

I do not want to work as a security guard. No way am I paying $800 for a security guard course.  I have no motivation to work as a security guard, it is not a job that interests me and is not my dream job. I am a Business School graduate and a Commerce degree was not enough to secure me a job that I wanted to do and interested me.

A security guard position for an intellectually disabled person with limited social skills and can not read body language or facial cues would not be able to cope with the job. My limitations severely restrict what jobs I am capable of doing.

Last edited by Dark_Lord_2008 - on 15 April 2019