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NightlyPoe said:
RolStoppable said:
I completely missed this. So the media has a pro-vaccination bias which is about as bad of a narrative as trying to motivate people to exercise and get their bodies in shape.

Why was this even a thread? NightlyPoe, are you against vaccination?

Please read the first post.

 

NightlyPoe said:

The thing is that you guys are promoting manipulative journalism.  In this case, the goal is benign, but it's corrosive in the end.  It makes people trust news sources even less to have such bald non-stories that should have never seen ink in the first place become news for days on end.  And then Democracy dies in darkness or whatever.

Again, this guy simply did something as an adult that his mother disagreed with.  Every reporter that interviewed him or wrote about the non-story needs to find another occupation.  They're simply not in the news business.  They're in the advocacy business.  In this case the test is rather stark.  There is no news to be found here.

Manipulative journalism is the only thing that can work on people who have been manipulated. Scientific evidence is not going to convince those people that vaccination is a good thing, because otherwise they wouldn't be against vaccination in the first place.

Books and movies have lots of stories that deal with the moral dilemma of a protagonist having to bend or break rules as it is the only way to achieve a positive result (such as a detective using illegally obtained evidence to nail down a criminal). Being okay with people being manipulated into acceptance that vaccination is a good thing doesn't mean that one would be okay with manipulative journalism in all possible instances.



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Just force parents to vaccinate their kids unless they are allergic to it, simple as that. Don’t understand why we have religious clauses here in Canada and the US that can allow this to happen. I understand people have the right to express themselves, but yeah, this should be a big no no. When your risking the health of humanity as a whole, fuck that.



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NightlyPoe said:
SpokenTruth said:

Must I repeat myself?  yes, I must.

"Well there it is. You don't get it. What is news to one may not be to others. For you, this is irrelevant. For others, it's a story of taking control against a growing conspiracy that is potentially life threatening for millions of people."

It's a non-story to you because you don't like or agree with it.  You even call the story benign which suggests you don't recognize the tragedies already befalling us from the anti-vaccination movement.

It's not news to anyone that an adult can make their own medical decisions.  You want to spin it out into a greater story (in short, build a narrative), but you're rather proving my point.  It's not about the non-story, it's about how it can be spun into something more than it is.  It's simple advocacy.

Furthermore, I partially chose this story to highlight because I agreed with the premise.  I called the goal benign (which, for some reason, you seem to have taken for the opposite of the word's meaning) and stated my position clearly in the topic post.  I could have used other more politically charged examples, but this was a safe one where the misbehavior of the reporters is evident even if their intentions are non-controversial.

I believe it's your eyes that are being shaded to the harm being done by such practices being common because you agree with the intention.

You sound like a moron repeating the same thing over an over again.

This IS a story.

Going by your reasoning, Rosa Parks not standing up on the bus was not a story. I mean it was just an adult woman chosing to not stand up. What's so special about that. I choose not to stand up hundreds of times a day.



This news is just another perfect example of the failure of antivaxers, so the media just ran it.

And that's good, because people need to be vaccinated and need to understand that they need to be vaccinated. Period.



RolStoppable said:

Manipulative journalism is the only thing that can work on people who have been manipulated. Scientific evidence is not going to convince those people that vaccination is a good thing, because otherwise they wouldn't be against vaccination in the first place.

Books and movies have lots of stories that deal with the moral dilemma of a protagonist having to bend or break rules as it is the only way to achieve a positive result (such as a detective using illegally obtained evidence to nail down a criminal). Being okay with people being manipulated into acceptance that vaccination is a good thing doesn't mean that one would be okay with manipulative journalism in all possible instances.

In other words, the ends justify the means.  However, journalism is going through a major credibility crisis and it's being brought on by practices such as this.  The basic ends to that is that people simply do not trust the people who are manipulating them, and rightly so.

This is damaging to building an informed populace.

irstupid said:

You sound like a moron repeating the same thing over an over again.

This IS a story.

Going by your reasoning, Rosa Parks not standing up on the bus was not a story. I mean it was just an adult woman chosing to not stand up. What's so special about that. I choose not to stand up hundreds of times a day.

You're seriously comparing a grown man not listening to his mommy to a woman breaking the law in defiance of segregation in 1950s Alabama resulting in arrest, the loss of her job, and years of death threats?

No it is not a story.  Repeating that a banal action of no consequence, controversy, or impediment is a story over and over again will not make it so.



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NightlyPoe said:

You're seriously comparing a grown man not listening to his mommy to a woman breaking the law in defiance of segregation in 1950s Alabama resulting in arrest, the loss of her job, and years of death threats?

No it is not a story.  Repeating that a banal action of no consequence, controversy, or impediment is a story over and over again will not make it so.

And you're still ignoring that this is one of many stories about this issue.  You are isolating a leaf and ignoring the forest.  Yes, he's an adult and make personal medical decisions. But it's a medical decision that many actual teens are taking.  I gave you links before and you ignored them.  Stop looking at just the damn leaf.



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SpokenTruth said:

You are isolating a leaf and ignoring the forest.

Correct.  I'm highlighting an example of journalistic malpractice.  I'm not highlighting a forest or litigating vaccination like many (most actually) are doing here.

Your examples were about minors.  That is an ongoing issue.  Having a 16-year-old advocate speaking out about not being able to get vaccinated would be a story.  An adult, however, is not.  I'm not sure what the difficulty is in all this.  One is a crashing of parental rights and underage youths control of their own bodies and health.

The other is just an adult going to the doctor.



NightlyPoe said:
SpokenTruth said:

You are isolating a leaf and ignoring the forest.

Correct.  I'm highlighting an example of journalistic malpractice.  I'm not highlighting a forest or litigating vaccination like many (most actually) are doing here.

Your examples were about minors.  That is an ongoing issue.  Having a 16-year-old advocate speaking out about not being able to get vaccinated would be a story.  An adult, however, is not.  I'm not sure what the difficulty is in all this.  One is a crashing of parental rights and underage youths control of their own bodies and health.

The other is just an adult going to the doctor.

Leaf, you're still staring it. It's highlighting a simple fact...children are disobeying their parents decisions regarding vaccinations.  And before you get all semantic on me, child also refers offspring regardless of age.



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SpokenTruth said:

Leaf, you're still staring it. It's highlighting a simple fact...children are disobeying their parents decisions regarding vaccinations.  And before you get all semantic on me, child also refers offspring regardless of age.

Yes, I'm staring at the leaf.  The topic is about the leaf.  You want to talk about the forest and I'm directing you back to the leaf.

An adult ignoring their parent's advise is only remarkable in how unremarkable it is.  You want it to be more, but in the end, it's just an adult making his own decision.  You wish to mix it up with the underage version of the story, but the two are separated by the assumption of complete legal authority over himself that happened on the day he turned 18.  I'm not sure why you insist on putting the two together and insisting so hard that there is any legitimacy for why this person should for the second time in a month, be all over my news feed for days on end.



NightlyPoe said:
SpokenTruth said:

Leaf, you're still staring it. It's highlighting a simple fact...children are disobeying their parents decisions regarding vaccinations.  And before you get all semantic on me, child also refers offspring regardless of age.

Yes, I'm staring at the leaf.  The topic is about the leaf.  You want to talk about the forest and I'm directing you back to the leaf.

An adult ignoring their parent's advise is only remarkable in how unremarkable it is.  You want it to be more, but in the end, it's just an adult making his own decision.  You wish to mix it up with the underage version of the story, but the two are separated by the assumption of complete legal authority over himself that happened on the day he turned 18.  I'm not sure why you insist on putting the two together and insisting so hard that there is any legitimacy for why this person should for the second time in a month, be all over my news feed for days on end.

You're the one trying to separate the two as thought they are somehow unrelated.  But keep looking at that leaf.



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