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Forums - Sony Discussion - PS5 Coming at the End of 2020 According to Analyst: High-Spec Hardware for Under $500

 

Price, SKUs, specs ?

Only Base Model, $399, 9-10TF GPU, 16GB RAM 24 30.00%
 
Only Base Model, $449, 10-12TF GPU, 16GB RAM 13 16.25%
 
Only Base Model, $499, 12-14TF GPU, 24GB RAM 21 26.25%
 
Base Model $399 and PREMIUM $499 specs Ans3 10 12.50%
 
Base Mod $399 / PREM $549, >14TF 24GB RAM 5 6.25%
 
Base Mod $449 / PREM $599, the absolute Elite 7 8.75%
 
Total:80
Trumpstyle said: 

Wow those are very close to my prediction.

:)

Sorry :D



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Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

https://gematsu.com/2019/02/rumor-two-next-gen-xbox-models-to-be-announced-at-e3-2019

Well, if those are true, I doubt XB2 is going to be much more powerful than the PS5, if not at all.

Kyuu said: 
Oneeee-Chan!!! said: 

https://gematsu.com/2019/02/rumor-two-next-gen-xbox-models-to-be-announced-at-e3-2019

If this is to be believed, the lowest common denominator will shift from 1.3TF to 4TF for the GPU. Sounds underwhelming even with the improved efficiency in mind.

Of course unless they're planning for portable SKUs in the not too distant future.

Agreed. Especially since devs are going to want to move on the powerful HW (~12 Tflops), even more so 1-2 years into the gen, MS will be trying to force devs to support a "last gen" box if they want to develop on the XB2.



RaptorChrist said:
The generational leaps aren't as big as they used to be. As a gamer who started with the NES, I've experienced that feeling of playing a game for the first time that is leaps beyond anything I've played before it. I didn't have a gaming PC until the PS2-era, so the first time I played the N64 (Mario 64) was the day after playing a game like Donkey Kong Country on the Super Nintendo. DKC, arguably the best-looking SNES game, cannot be mistaken for an N64 game.

This is me just being a realist. Now as a gamer who enjoys being hyped up for new tech and great games, I'd love to buy into the narrative that the PS5 is going to be like nothing we've ever seen before it, but things are different nowadays.

It's great to be optimistic, but ridiculing someone for their "opinion", which to me is a perfectly legit "opinion", is just kid shit.

Don't tell..

I have started on Atari, but as little kid was already playing Genesis and SNES (plus phantom system, NES clone). I had tried those first tries on CD console and was good but nothing special.

One day at a friends house I tried Tekken on PS1 and was surprised.

Later I played RE on Saturn.

And one day when I was on the verge of turning 15 I bought my PS and had GT and FF IX on it. No other game have ever impressed me like FF IX before or after, that opening cutscene was unimaginable for me considering on the prior week I was playing some Genesis game.



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Kyuu said:
Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

https://gematsu.com/2019/02/rumor-two-next-gen-xbox-models-to-be-announced-at-e3-2019

If this is to be believed, the lowest common denominator will shift from 1.3TF to 4TF for the GPU. Sounds underwhelming even with the improved efficiency in mind.

Of course unless they're planning for portable SKUs in the not too distant future.

Actually no. Look properly. What really determines the base console is the CPU. 

And both CPUs are the same.

What you are looking at is literally a 4k console and a 1080p console designed to run the same games with the only difference being resolution and texture quality. But no chance they are putting 1TB NVMe drives in there... SSDs yes, Mo2 based sata SSDs yes...... but not NVMe.



thismeintiel said:

Well, if those are true, I doubt XB2 is going to be much more powerful than the PS5, if not at all.

I have said this too..... its f my opinion that people are mixing up this whole two skus thing from MS. They are lookin at it as one being more powerful and the the other being less powerful than the PS5.

I however believe its more like a 4k sku ad a 1080p sku. And both of them will have a 4k sku that is pretty much identical with regards to power and price. Only difference is that MS will also have a cheaper 1080p console that sony may not release.



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Intrinsic said:

But no chance they are putting 1TB NVMe drives in there... SSDs yes, Mo2 based sata SSDs yes...... but not NVMe.

What exactly does this mean?



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Intrinsic said:
thismeintiel said:

Well, if those are true, I doubt XB2 is going to be much more powerful than the PS5, if not at all.

I have said this too..... its f my opinion that people are mixing up this whole two skus thing from MS. They are lookin at it as one being more powerful and the the other being less powerful than the PS5.

I however believe its more like a 4k sku ad a 1080p sku. And both of them will have a 4k sku that is pretty much identical with regards to power and price. Only difference is that MS will also have a cheaper 1080p console that sony may not release.

If that turns out to be the case, I don't see the XB2 doing very well, especially if the PS5 actually turns out to be more powerful at the same $399.  Even if the "1080p" box is $100 cheaper, there's going to a larger difference between the games than just resolution.  People are going to want that real jump in their next gen HW, not a console that would be basically a XBO X with a better CPU.  I also doubt that many devs are going to be happy about having to develop for an underpowered console, when they are going to want to move on from last gen.

Then, again, maybe MS is preparing for that to be a possible outcome.  Hence the 3rd party publishing on Nintendo that has been rumored.



CrazyGPU said:
I mean, the CPU will be much better, I think at least 3 times faster than PS4.

Bit low-balling there though, right? I mean... Jaguar is pretty garbage.

Zen should offer an easy 8-10x increase.

CrazyGPU said:
Graphics will be better, but with the upgraded consoles out ( PS4 pro and XB X) resolution will increase from checkboarding 4K or close to 4k to native 4k.

Or maybe frame reconstruction will be retained and the extra performance will be sunk into improving fidelity.


Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

https://gematsu.com/2019/02/rumor-two-next-gen-xbox-models-to-be-announced-at-e3-2019

Lockhart looks so uninspiring.
Would rather they ditched the NVMe drive and sunk it into more GPU grunt.

Anaconda is what I expected, sans SSD.

Still... Grain of salt should be taken with this Rumor either way.

Intrinsic said:

I have said this too..... its f my opinion that people are mixing up this whole two skus thing from MS. They are lookin at it as one being more powerful and the the other being less powerful than the PS5.

I however believe its more like a 4k sku ad a 1080p sku. And both of them will have a 4k sku that is pretty much identical with regards to power and price. Only difference is that MS will also have a cheaper 1080p console that sony may not release.

I personally don't see the point of a 1080P SKU. Just super sample the lot.



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thismeintiel said:
Intrinsic said:

I have said this too..... its f my opinion that people are mixing up this whole two skus thing from MS. They are lookin at it as one being more powerful and the the other being less powerful than the PS5.

I however believe its more like a 4k sku ad a 1080p sku. And both of them will have a 4k sku that is pretty much identical with regards to power and price. Only difference is that MS will also have a cheaper 1080p console that sony may not release.

If that turns out to be the case, I don't see the XB2 doing very well, especially if the PS5 actually turns out to be more powerful at the same $399.  Even if the "1080p" box is $100 cheaper, there's going to a larger difference between the games than just resolution.  People are going to want that real jump in their next gen HW, not a console that would be basically a XBO X with a better CPU.  I also doubt that many devs are going to be happy about having to develop for an underpowered console, when they are going to want to move on from last gen.

Then, again, maybe MS is preparing for that to be a possible outcome.  Hence the 3rd party publishing on Nintendo that has been rumored.

Not really. As lng as the CPU is the same, it has a decent amunt of RAM (12GB is decent) and the gal is to run the ames at 1080p.... a 4TF GPU is more than enugh for that. And for the peple that dont mind playin their games at 1080p they will be just fine with it. 

And I have said this here befre, ppl haven' even seen what a PS4pr or XB1X can really do if paired with a better CPU r if games were made frm the round up for them. Lckhart bein a 1080p bx makes perfect sense and is prbably the smartest thin MS can do. It allows them cme in at a lower base price while bein able to play the same next gen ames but just at lower reslutins and a slew of toned down assets. Will still like a generation better than what we have today though. 

I even believe sony shuld adopt the same strategy. Let those that want next gen at 1080p pony up $399 and those that want 4k pay $499. In about two years after all the early adopters (aka people least influenced by price) have jumped n they can drop prices by $100 cross the skus. 

nce the only difference between skus was HDD size, then it became basic and premium. Now it wuld be 4k and 1080p.

zorg1000 said:
Intrinsic said:

But no chance they are putting 1TB NVMe drives in there... SSDs yes, Mo2 based sata SSDs yes...... but not NVMe.

What exactly does this mean?

All listed prices are estimted in 2020 OEM pricing.

  • 2.5" SATA 3 HDD = ~150MB/s @ $25/1TB
  • 2.5" SATA 3 SSD = ~500MB/s @ $50/1TB
  • M.2 SATA 3 SSD = ~500MB/s @ $50/1TB
  • M.2 NVMe SSD = ~2000MB/s @ $90/1TB
Next gen consles could have any f the top 3 optins above. Or even some srt of embbedded nand flash + HDD slution which will still come in under $40. But to assume they will be spending around $90 just for storage and only 1TB of it when they could accmplish the same thin from spending considerably less is pretty much ridiculous. Unless somethin really changes with regards to NVMe prices. 


Pemalite said: 
Intrinsic said:

I have said this too..... its f my opinion that people are mixing up this whole two skus thing from MS. They are lookin at it as one being more powerful and the the other being less powerful than the PS5.

I however believe its more like a 4k sku ad a 1080p sku. And both of them will have a 4k sku that is pretty much identical with regards to power and price. Only difference is that MS will also have a cheaper 1080p console that sony may not release.

I personally don't see the point of a 1080P SKU. Just super sample the lot.

It actually makes a lot of sense. I mean we have $2000 gaming laptops that ship with 1080p screens. We also have the cheaper 1080p consoles outselling the 4k versions by like 4:1. The simple truth is that even though 4K is increasingly popular a majority of the console user base simply wouldn't care. They would buy the 1080p version over the 4k one.