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mZuzek said:
Kai_Mao said:

And its not like Yoshio Sakamoto wasn't involved in Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion, or Metroid: Zero Mission as director. Oh wait...

Wait, isn't that the guy who made Other M? Oh my god he must be the worst developer ever I hope he never touches Metroid again!!!!

Eh, we all have our bad moments. He also produced Samus Returns.



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Kai_Mao said:
mZuzek said:

Wait, isn't that the guy who made Other M? Oh my god he must be the worst developer ever I hope he never touches Metroid again!!!!

Eh, we all have our bad moments. He also produced Samus Returns.

Yeah I was joking. It's just crazy how fast people are to ignore everything good a person makes, based on a single mistake. Same thing happening here with people crucifying Tanabe for Federation Force, as if he had nothing to do with the Prime Trilogy.



mZuzek said:
Kai_Mao said:

Eh, we all have our bad moments. He also produced Samus Returns.

Yeah I was joking. It's just crazy how fast people are to ignore everything good a person makes, based on a single mistake. Same thing happening here with people crucifying Tanabe for Federation Force, as if he had nothing to do with the Prime Trilogy.

From what i heard, Federation Force wasnt even that bad of a game, it mostly got hated on because of the character models and because it had been such a long time since a traditional/mainline title released.

If a well received mainline title released a year or two before Federation Force and it didnt have chibi characters than I think the backlash would have been significantly smaller.



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zorg1000 said:
mZuzek said:

Yeah I was joking. It's just crazy how fast people are to ignore everything good a person makes, based on a single mistake. Same thing happening here with people crucifying Tanabe for Federation Force, as if he had nothing to do with the Prime Trilogy.

From what i heard, Federation Force wasnt even that bad of a game, it mostly got hated on because of the character models and because it had been such a long time since a traditional/mainline title released.

If a well received mainline title released a year or two before Federation Force and it didnt have chibi characters than I think the backlash would have been significantly smaller.

If Nintendo were to be criticized for one thing when it comes to handling Metroid, it is the messaging behind the development of Federation Force. They probably could've ensured that Federation Force is not the only game coming from the Metroid franchise, but things happen and circumstances affect how Nintendo was able to manage the message.

They were able to manage the messaging with Prime 4 and Samus Returns so it makes you wonder why they couldn't have done that with Federation Force that would have allowed everyone to be on their merry way instead of being on pins and needles on the future of the franchise.

Metroid is a weird series. For all the acclaim and accolades the series has received over the course of its existence, it has not translated into sales that even Kirby and Donkey Kong earn at times (4-6 million). It feels like it has to release under certain circumstances in order to potentially sell well (3-5 million or so).



Kai_Mao said:

If Nintendo were to be criticized for one thing when it comes to handling Metroid, it is the messaging behind the development of Federation Force. They probably could've ensured that Federation Force is not the only game coming from the Metroid franchise, but things happen and circumstances affect how Nintendo was able to manage the message.

They were able to manage the messaging with Prime 4 and Samus Returns so it makes you wonder why they couldn't have done that with Federation Force that would have allowed everyone to be on their merry way instead of being on pins and needles on the future of the franchise.

Pretty obvious why. They couldn't announce Samus Returns back then, because they wouldn't want to announce two Metroid games for the same system simultaneously, for obvious reasons; and they didn't want to announce Prime 4 because they were still holding off on anything Switch related (it would've looked really bad if they started announcing games for the next console less than 3 years into the Wii U's lifecycle).



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mZuzek said:
Kai_Mao said:

If Nintendo were to be criticized for one thing when it comes to handling Metroid, it is the messaging behind the development of Federation Force. They probably could've ensured that Federation Force is not the only game coming from the Metroid franchise, but things happen and circumstances affect how Nintendo was able to manage the message.

They were able to manage the messaging with Prime 4 and Samus Returns so it makes you wonder why they couldn't have done that with Federation Force that would have allowed everyone to be on their merry way instead of being on pins and needles on the future of the franchise.

Pretty obvious why. They couldn't announce Samus Returns back then, because they wouldn't want to announce two Metroid games for the same system simultaneously, for obvious reasons; and they didn't want to announce Prime 4 because they were still holding off on anything Switch related (it would've looked really bad if they started announcing games for the next console less than 3 years into the Wii U's lifecycle).

That's true. The Wii U was in a no-win situation as it had very little momentum even with Splatoon's surprising success. Thus, Nintendo looked forward with the Switch (then-NX).



I also heard that Federation Force is actually a good game but why did it have to be a Metroid spin-off? It could have been a stand-alone game and everything would be fine. It's not so that the name 'Metroid' guarantees sales. Metroid never sold BIG numbers. Of course they would have need to made a complete stand-alone game in its own universe with it's own story, completely not connected to Metroid and thus could also not be named Federation Force (the characters could not have been from the Federation Force of the Metroid universe).



Fight-the-Streets said:
I also heard that Federation Force is actually a good game but why did it have to be a Metroid spin-off? It could have been a stand-alone game and everything would be fine. It's not so that the name 'Metroid' guarantees sales. Metroid never sold BIG numbers. Of course they would have need to made a complete stand-alone game in its own universe with it's own story, completely not connected to Metroid and thus could also not be named Federation Force (the characters could not have been from the Federation Force of the Metroid universe).

It's a pin off for the same reason many other franchises have spin offs to add new branches where they can utilize approaches that wouldn't suit the mainline games many franchises have lore and universes that can compliment and be applied to other approaches.



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