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https://nintendosoup.com/npd-70-of-switch-owners-also-own-a-ps4-or-xbox-one/

According to NPD as of 5 months ago, the amount of Nintendo Switch fans which also own a console from another major console manufacturer is around 70% in the U.S. Obviously with more Switch units being purchased since then, that statistic has probably changed. However, it does highlight a key point. While it would be easy to downplay the Switch by using this statistic to show that it is mostly purchased as a secondary console, it shows that the Nintendo Switch shares largely the same demographic as the PS4 or Xbox One. It's hard to discern how much potential sales it could or couldn't be taking away from other consoles, but the point is that when the excuse is made that the Switch isn't competing against the PS4 or Xbox One because the userbase is completely different, the reality is very different from the argument being proposed. 

Let's just be honest, the age range for the PS4/Xbox One and the Switch is largely the same. Nintendo might have a higher percentage of the extremely young market, like the 4-7 year olds, but with the gaming industry being bigger and gaming becoming more and more normalized ... I think that something like COD and Grand Theft Auto appeals to kids just as much as Mario and Zelda. When I moved into my current neighborhood 10 years ago, my neighbor had a kid who was like 4-6. He didn't play Nintendo games, all he played was Call of Duty and Battlefield Bad Company 2. Anecdotal, yes, but I think we're starting to see M rated games become more and more adopted by the 8+ crowd. 



 

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0D0 said:
CGI-Quality said:

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Got it.

Not trying to bother you, but since I'm rather new about here, I'm still learning how to not cross the line while polite arguing.

Not a bother at all. :)



                                                                                                                                            

AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I think that something like COD and Grand Theft Auto appeals to kids just as much as Mario and Zelda. When I moved into my current neighborhood 10 years ago, my neighbor had a kid who was like 4-6. He didn't play Nintendo games, all he played was Call of Duty and Battlefield Bad Company 2. Anecdotal, yes, but I think we're starting to see M rated games become more and more adopted by the 8+ crowd. 

Agree with the whole post, and @ above; this has always been true. I played Wolfenstein 3D myself when I was like 8.



CGI-Quality said:
Mbolibombo said:
Every time I enter this thread I hope there's some actual on topic discussion going on to take part in.

Once again leaving dissapointed

Of course, you could always attempt to get the ball rolling again.

But really, as mentioned, the 15th's numbers have been viewed and reviewed a good bit already. A little straying is fine at this point. The issue is still some of the aggression I see from a select few. You guys need to tone it down. I threw that out once, so this will be the last time. Try your best to engage what the person is saying without resorting to anything personal. And for others, don't attack a platform without basis (i.e. ... Switch is merely for casuals/doesn't directly compete with PS/Xbox, etc, etc...). Opinions, whether right or wrong, can still be a step over the line. Context and presentation are important.

Such an awesome mod, thank you for this! 



S.Peelman said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I think that something like COD and Grand Theft Auto appeals to kids just as much as Mario and Zelda. When I moved into my current neighborhood 10 years ago, my neighbor had a kid who was like 4-6. He didn't play Nintendo games, all he played was Call of Duty and Battlefield Bad Company 2. Anecdotal, yes, but I think we're starting to see M rated games become more and more adopted by the 8+ crowd. 

Agree with the whole post, and @ above; this has always been true. I played Wolfenstein 3D myself when I was like 8.

I assumed that because of the 90's video game scare that more parents would had restricted their kids video game purchases, especially because back then they usually had to go to the store with you rather than a digital purchase. Thus, M rated titles would gain a wider audience today among kids below the 17 year old age range. But maybe that's wrong. I think kids have always been fascinated by what's "too mature" for them. I know that by 11 I already  had consumed Call of Duty, Gears of War, and Halo. 

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Going back to the actual numbers, when was the last time a Nintendo device outsold Playstation and Xbox combined like this? Has that happened before with the Switch, or not since the days of the Wii?

KingofTrolls said:
curl-6 said: 

Nintendo may have pissed away Jan-Oct

So 10 months of the year pissed away ;p

Pretty much, their first real system seller for the year was Let's Go in mid November, so the first 10.5 months of 2018 they were rolling along in neutral. At least they're having a monstrous December thanks to the one-two punch of Let's Go and Smash 5, but ideally a year should have heavy hitters dispersed throughout to keep momentum high.



drinkandswim said:
0D0 said:

How can stating that Switch doesn't directly compete with PS/Xbox be offensive and a platform attack (even without a reasonable long justification)?

I'm asking this because I'm among the ones that truly believe that and have stated that Switch indeed does not seem to compete with current gen consoles PS and Xbox. I don't see this as an attack, but as a market business opinion. Actually, if I were Nintendo I wouldn't want to compete with PS/Xbox, that would be my CEO decision. Nintendo's strength is on the handheld/Japanese/niche side of the market and not on standard powerful big boxes x86-64 cpu home consoles.

On the other hand, I don't understand why someone would get triggered or offended by that even if one's a Nintendo fan. Those with that mentality would be the ones thinking that Nintendo would be inferior in case it doesn't compete directly with Xbox/PS, so those ones are the real ones downplaying the company. Because not competing with PS/Xbox is a wise decision. Nintendo is making its own sub market and disrupting. Tech business today is all about disrupting and when we say that Nintendo is disrupting the gaming business not competing directly with current gen consoles, it's in fact sort of a compliment.

 

The same thing happens when someone say "PS is just always the same thing with better graphics". Is this an insult or attack to the platform? This statement is very common and also quite true, because one of the strengths of Sony is exactly giving the players the same platform. PS is basically a successor to SNES that never really changed and that's one of the main reasons many like Sony, they provide the player a platform that we know, the controller is the same, the box is the same, it's just more powerful. PS is the same thing since 1.

 

So, perhaps, even thought opinions can be stated in a rude or polite manner and it's got to be moderated when it's rude, some just get too offended too easy on the Internet.

I enjoy the discussion. Debating is important to get a true understanding of a subject. And I agree they arent direct competitors. Indirect Competitors is reasonable with some market overlap. But I do believe Nintendo could reach further into that market at least short term.

Yep, Nintendo on Switch or next gen could certainly take more steps to dispute the market more directly, not sure it would benefit them as their best sellers came from not going for the same market (Wii, the handhelds and Switch which we are discussing if is direct or not).

0D0 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Without a justification/reasoning, it more reeks of a distaste for the platform rather than a mere feeling that it is 'just another device' in a vacuum of the market. No matter what picture you paint, an argument can be made that it is in direct competition with other devices fighting for people's dollars in an enclosed space. The counter argument can be made, most certainly, but you need to be prepared to back it up (especially considering where you are ~ a site dedicated to sales). It would be like someone being brought up on criminal charges without basis. No evidence/witnesses, etc, etc... People wouldn't (nor shouldn't) take that seriously and would rightfully cause backlash. Same principle applies here. 

To me, now, you sound like that saying that it's an indirect competition is just offensive needs justification while saying that it's on direct competition is ok because it praises Nintendo and so doesn't need justification. It's very hard for me to see how we draw the line between market/business opinion and "attack to Nintendo owners feelings".

General rule on VGC. If you are being positive you don't need any justification or explanation. But if you are being negative you need to justify to not become just trolling or flaming.

AngryLittleAlchemist said:

https://nintendosoup.com/npd-70-of-switch-owners-also-own-a-ps4-or-xbox-one/

According to NPD as of 5 months ago, the amount of Nintendo Switch fans which also own a console from another major console manufacturer is around 70% in the U.S. Obviously with more Switch units being purchased since then, that statistic has probably changed. However, it does highlight a key point. While it would be easy to downplay the Switch by using this statistic to show that it is mostly purchased as a secondary console, it shows that the Nintendo Switch shares largely the same demographic as the PS4 or Xbox One. It's hard to discern how much potential sales it could or couldn't be taking away from other consoles, but the point is that when the excuse is made that the Switch isn't competing against the PS4 or Xbox One because the userbase is completely different, the reality is very different from the argument being proposed. 

Let's just be honest, the age range for the PS4/Xbox One and the Switch is largely the same. Nintendo might have a higher percentage of the extremely young market, like the 4-7 year olds, but with the gaming industry being bigger and gaming becoming more and more normalized ... I think that something like COD and Grand Theft Auto appeals to kids just as much as Mario and Zelda. When I moved into my current neighborhood 10 years ago, my neighbor had a kid who was like 4-6. He didn't play Nintendo games, all he played was Call of Duty and Battlefield Bad Company 2. Anecdotal, yes, but I think we're starting to see M rated games become more and more adopted by the 8+ crowd. 

Didn't see this research before. If it still holds WW it can lead to two conclusions, either it's a secondary device due to portability and Nintendo exclusives or Switch is indeed in direct competition (but on this the problem of low impact in the others still holds). Anyway it's good and relevant new. The fact that PS4/X1 have over 5 years in the market and neering saturation may explain a lot of their owners buying Switch as well. If sales curve of the 3 keep general shape them we won't have an answer until next gen (Wii also had a lot of sales from being secondary platform, that didn't translate to sales on WiiU).



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CGI-Quality said:
0D0 said:

How can stating that Switch doesn't directly compete with PS/Xbox be offensive and a platform attack (even without a reasonable long justification)?

Without a justification/reasoning, it more reeks of a distaste for the platform rather than a mere feeling that it is 'just another device' in a vacuum of the market. No matter what picture you paint, an argument can be made that it is in direct competition with other devices fighting for people's dollars in an enclosed space. The counter argument can be made, most certainly, but you need to be prepared to back it up (especially considering where you are ~ a site dedicated to sales). It would be like someone being brought up on criminal charges without basis. No evidence/witnesses, etc, etc... People wouldn't (nor shouldn't) take that seriously and would rightfully cause backlash. Same principle applies here. 

Despite I never posted again since page 38, I was banned after this post on page 40, without warning or explanation. 

I only posted that the switch was on indirect competition, explaining exactly why and backing it up.

It´s like talking about if Call of Duty and Splatoon are direct competitors or not for your dollars. I guess nobody is going to be banned because of that right?.

I got accussed of  having dark thinking and wanting to degrade Nintendo without justification and nothing happened to those people. 

What moderators could achieve with this kind of behaviour was to kill the thread or at least the good exchange of ideas. When this page was reached ,(42), nobody wrote anything more until now. 

Maybe I´ll be banned because of this too without reason again, but I have to say this because I love to write about ideas and back them up, I like to discuss without insulting and describe not only the good but the bad from every system (Despite in this case there is not good or bad, just an argument about the nature of a console and the markets where its succesfull)

Like when in a sport game, the umpire became more important than the game. That shouldn´t happen, it´s no good. Not good for the writers, and no good for VGCharts forum.

 

Edit: Just in case, also it was mention that calling the switch a casual thing was downgrading it. In my case, I didn´t say that the switch was casual at all.

I don´t think it is. I even think that it brought more core players than the other 2 consoles behind it. What I did say that the Wii was for a casual and family market, and I think that is true and quite diferent. There were never such a broad audiece with videogames as the Wii had. 

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DonFerrari said:
drinkandswim said:

I enjoy the discussion. Debating is important to get a true understanding of a subject. And I agree they arent direct competitors. Indirect Competitors is reasonable with some market overlap. But I do believe Nintendo could reach further into that market at least short term.

Yep, Nintendo on Switch or next gen could certainly take more steps to dispute the market more directly, not sure it would benefit them as their best sellers came from not going for the same market (Wii, the handhelds and Switch which we are discussing if is direct or not).

0D0 said:

To me, now, you sound like that saying that it's an indirect competition is just offensive needs justification while saying that it's on direct competition is ok because it praises Nintendo and so doesn't need justification. It's very hard for me to see how we draw the line between market/business opinion and "attack to Nintendo owners feelings".

General rule on VGC. If you are being positive you don't need any justification or explanation. But if you are being negative you need to justify to not become just trolling or flaming.

AngryLittleAlchemist said:

https://nintendosoup.com/npd-70-of-switch-owners-also-own-a-ps4-or-xbox-one/

According to NPD as of 5 months ago, the amount of Nintendo Switch fans which also own a console from another major console manufacturer is around 70% in the U.S. Obviously with more Switch units being purchased since then, that statistic has probably changed. However, it does highlight a key point. While it would be easy to downplay the Switch by using this statistic to show that it is mostly purchased as a secondary console, it shows that the Nintendo Switch shares largely the same demographic as the PS4 or Xbox One. It's hard to discern how much potential sales it could or couldn't be taking away from other consoles, but the point is that when the excuse is made that the Switch isn't competing against the PS4 or Xbox One because the userbase is completely different, the reality is very different from the argument being proposed. 

Let's just be honest, the age range for the PS4/Xbox One and the Switch is largely the same. Nintendo might have a higher percentage of the extremely young market, like the 4-7 year olds, but with the gaming industry being bigger and gaming becoming more and more normalized ... I think that something like COD and Grand Theft Auto appeals to kids just as much as Mario and Zelda. When I moved into my current neighborhood 10 years ago, my neighbor had a kid who was like 4-6. He didn't play Nintendo games, all he played was Call of Duty and Battlefield Bad Company 2. Anecdotal, yes, but I think we're starting to see M rated games become more and more adopted by the 8+ crowd. 

Didn't see this research before. If it still holds WW it can lead to two conclusions, either it's a secondary device due to portability and Nintendo exclusives or Switch is indeed in direct competition (but on this the problem of low impact in the others still holds). Anyway it's good and relevant new. The fact that PS4/X1 have over 5 years in the market and neering saturation may explain a lot of their owners buying Switch as well. If sales curve of the 3 keep general shape them we won't have an answer until next gen (Wii also had a lot of sales from being secondary platform, that didn't translate to sales on WiiU).

That's quite a good rule, makes sense.

I'm just not quite convinced about stating that "Nintendo is not competing directly" as a negative statement.



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Let's just be honest, the age range for the PS4/Xbox One and the Switch is largely the same. Nintendo might have a higher percentage of the extremely young market, like the 4-7 year olds, but with the gaming industry being bigger and gaming becoming more and more normalized ... I think that something like COD and Grand Theft Auto appeals to kids just as much as Mario and Zelda. When I moved into my current neighborhood 10 years ago, my neighbor had a kid who was like 4-6. He didn't play Nintendo games, all he played was Call of Duty and Battlefield Bad Company 2. Anecdotal, yes, but I think we're starting to see M rated games become more and more adopted by the 8+ crowd. 

I think the global audience of the Switch is older than PS4 or Xbox One



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