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Pyro as Bill said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum#2016

You need to re-order the results based on whether they were telephone or online. Online was closest to the actual result but their methodology was shit.

Remain might be the most popular answer but like with the original ref, you have to take into account those who are likely to actually vote and for the next ref, those who would prefer to see a democratic result enacted regardless of what their personal preference is. Unlike remainers, many leavers voted to help the poorest in our own society instead of looking after their own immediate interest. We're playing the long game.

Remainocrats will make the Leave win even bigger. Foreigners understand less than we do the powers at play.

So you assume that people that voted remain didn't vote to help the poorest in our society?

How is leaving the EU going to help the poorest in our society?



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Biggerboat1 said:
EricHiggin said:

NSYNC's reign to fame is dying, and the importance of JT will only drop further once he leaves. Wait a minute...

Yes, because the UK & EU are directly comparable to JT & NSYNC.

And to think on the politics thread you had the temerity to suggest that it is inaccurate to compare Trump's staff turnover to those of other Presidents...

Your posts are a joke!

Who said they were directly comparable?

You mean when I said you simply can't use Trumps turnover rate against other Presidents with nothing else taken into account, like as obvious as it get's, who took part in hiring them and why exactly they were fired, just for example. The amount of reasons for firing someone are endless and can be due to indirect factors, but hey, let's not complicate things right? Words said, career instantly ended. All in a hard days work...

I'd hate to see what you take serious then.



MrWayne said:
I've just seen a talk about Brexit on the German television channel Phönix and one person mentioned something very interesting.
"The Tories are probably the only conservative party in the world to make policies against their own economy"
That's very true I think.

Give the US conservatives some credit. Their moronic policies tanked not only the US but the whole world's economy in the banking crisis. That's what happens when you only think about short term gains. Conservatives say they are pro business and pro economy but all their policies do is giving the most powerful entities more power with no checks or balances which will always inevitably shoot themselves and everyone in the face.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Pyro as Bill said:
England has a 2 million majority in favour of leave. The Brits might end up staying in the EU but it's only a matter of time before England leaves.

An EU without England is a joke.

It's England, not the UK or Europe that has directed history and humanity for the past 300-1000 years.

 Since then, they've just been following, not directing anymore.

Following who? The US? They're our babies. The current US has more in common with England than the UK. We're the only 2 countries in the world who understand free speech and free trade. Once we've removed our British overlords, the US can finally get some quality competition.

Also, 2 Million majority? Not even during the referendum was the majority so big. But yeah, if the MPs and newspapers continue to blame everything bad on the EU and grab all the credit for themselves when the EU does something good, then of course the UK will leave some day.

England, not yookay remember?

But seriously, at this point, what's floating in most people's minds if you leave is more in the line of "good riddance, you ingrates! The EU is much better off without you naysayers" or something like that.

Feeling's mutual. Unfortunately we have a PM who thinks the EU is important to our national security (ironic, i know) and we have to have a close relationship.

JRPGfan said:
Pyro as Bill said:
England has a 2 million majority in favour of leave. The Brits might end up staying in the EU but it's only a matter of time before England leaves.

An EU without England is a joke.

It's England, not the UK or Europe that has directed history and humanity for the past 300-1000 years.

Time to stop liveing in the past.
Ive said it before the UK isnt "the empire on which the sun never sets" anymore.

And its importance on the world scene will only drop futher, once it leaves the EU.

England not UK. 'Little Englanders'/English liberals never wanted an empire. They didn't want war with the American colonies either. They knew that free trade would be mutually beneficial as opposed to war which hurts everyone except those making money from it.

So you assume that people that voted remain didn't vote to help the poorest in our society?

How is leaving the EU going to help the poorest in our society?

Free Trade makes everyone richer except protectionists. See the Corn Laws and Imperial Preference (ie the last 2 times the 'Tory' party split) for more details. Remainiacs (excluding idealistic students) have no problem seeing wages fall for the low and no skilled so long as their house price keeps increasing.



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Pyro as Bill said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

 Since then, they've just been following, not directing anymore.

Following who? The US? They're our babies. The current US has more in common with England than the UK. We're the only 2 countries in the world who understand free speech and free trade. Once we've removed our British overlords, the US can finally get some quality competition.

Also, 2 Million majority? Not even during the referendum was the majority so big. But yeah, if the MPs and newspapers continue to blame everything bad on the EU and grab all the credit for themselves when the EU does something good, then of course the UK will leave some day.

England, not yookay remember?

But seriously, at this point, what's floating in most people's minds if you leave is more in the line of "good riddance, you ingrates! The EU is much better off without you naysayers" or something like that.

Feeling's mutual. Unfortunately we have a PM who thinks the EU is important to our national security (ironic, i know) and we have to have a close relationship.

JRPGfan said:

Time to stop liveing in the past.
Ive said it before the UK isnt "the empire on which the sun never sets" anymore.

And its importance on the world scene will only drop futher, once it leaves the EU.

England not UK. 'Little Englanders'/English liberals never wanted an empire. They didn't want war with the American colonies either. They knew that free trade would be mutually beneficial as opposed to war which hurts everyone except those making money from it.

So you assume that people that voted remain didn't vote to help the poorest in our society?

How is leaving the EU going to help the poorest in our society?

Free Trade makes everyone richer except protectionists. See the Corn Laws and Imperial Preference (ie the last 2 times the 'Tory' party split) for more details. Remainiacs (excluding idealistic students) have no problem seeing wages fall for the low and no skilled so long as their house price keeps increasing.

The corn laws where extreme, A ton of imported wheat would have needed to cost over 1300$ in today's currency , 6 times what it costs right now (~220$). That's not protectionism, that's outright mercantilism (which practically forbids any imports with absolutely excessive tariffs)

US are your baby? The baby has outgrown you decades ago and is now ordering you around like their little pet. And ROFL on the rest of the text there. You really think tiny little England won't get squashed by the US in their demands? Trumps US is all take and no give, what part of America first or their "trade offer" (which is basically just asking to do everything for them and getting nothing in return) do you not understand?

I do agree with May on the national Security to some degree. It would cut off the UK from any European criminal investigation, biometric data and arrest warrants, meaning terrorists and criminals could flee to the UK before they are identified and get out of jail that way since the country made itself unaware of the criminals - and couldn't be apprehended there either.

And your historical revisionism is just laughable.  English liberals maybe didn't want those things, but back in the day, their fraction was about as big as the British pirate party is today. As a whole the British people enjoyed mostly those things.



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What a mess. This is going to be uglier than a no deal Brexit. Mainly because they didn't get enough time to do anything about their predicament, so they'll just end up with a no deal brexit anyway, but in the meantime they'll probably have a general election and European parliamentary elections, and both of those are going to tear the country apart, and the latter will probably be ugly for the EU too. The only way they get out of no deal at this point is if UKIP and the Brexit party split the Leave vote so badly that a Labour-LibDem-SNP coalition gets into power with Lib Dems and SNP making a second referendum a bargaining chip for forming a government. That still leaves behind a massively polarized country. The existence of the Brexit party will mean that literally every general election will be a new Brexit referendum until the party dies or succeeds in its goals.



Now that the Lib Dems have admitted Leave will win a second ref and they'll continue to block it regardless, everyone sees them for the treasonous clowns they are.

Any Tory who disobeys Boris is going to face deselection or have to run against one of Nigel's mates. Check mate traitors.

At long last, Crown, Prime Minister and People are all united in their steadfast support for democracy and we can get on and sign that free trade deal that Theresa took off the table.



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Pyro as Bill said:
Now that the Lib Dems have admitted Leave will win a second ref and they'll continue to block it regardless, everyone sees them for the treasonous clowns they are.

Any Tory who disobeys Boris is going to face deselection or have to run against one of Nigel's mates. Check mate traitors.

At long last, Crown, Prime Minister and People are all united in their steadfast support for democracy and we can get on and sign that free trade deal that Theresa took off the table.

free trade deal? free trade negotiations were always planned to happen, but these things realistically take 5 years and often over a decade to complete

the withdrawal agreement was always ment to regulate what happens in the meantime



Pyro as Bill said:
Now that the Lib Dems have admitted Leave will win a second ref and they'll continue to block it regardless, everyone sees them for the treasonous clowns they are.

Any Tory who disobeys Boris is going to face deselection or have to run against one of Nigel's mates. Check mate traitors.

At long last, Crown, Prime Minister and People are all united in their steadfast support for democracy and we can get on and sign that free trade deal that Theresa took off the table.

Source?



Pyro as Bill said:
Now that the Lib Dems have admitted Leave will win a second ref and they'll continue to block it regardless, everyone sees them for the treasonous clowns they are.

Any Tory who disobeys Boris is going to face deselection or have to run against one of Nigel's mates. Check mate traitors.

At long last, Crown, Prime Minister and People are all united in their steadfast support for democracy and we can get on and sign that free trade deal that Theresa took off the table.

It'll be interesting to see if you're still spouting the same rhetoric and swallowing the same propaganda a couple of weeks after no deal happens.