Did you get that info about the economy tanking from a crystal ball? Ahhh yeah, the so called experts. The so called experts that said it would be a disaster for the UK not to join the Euro in currency. The same experts who told us the sky would fall and oxygen would disappear if leave won. None of the scaremongering happened. Actually on the contrary. Since the vote our economy has grown, more jobs have been created. We are exporting more. When did the sky fall? The real answer is...no one really knows what will happen. I guarantee which ever way it goes we will come out of it stronger than before. We are British at the end of the day, we do not just give up we build. This is what boggles my mind. We as a nation until this generation and the PC liberal brigade started brainwashing we would have turned around and told the EU to go F themselves, the last PM with balls to do that was Thatcher, what boggles my mind even after seeing the bully tactics the EU are trying to force on us by demanding billions and it is their way or the high way people still want to remain. Look what Macron has said, who the hell does that little pipsqueak think he is? Juncker? Do not get me started on that unelected alcoholic.

Can I ask why your generation think it is racist to be worried about uncontrolled immigration and taking way too many refugees? See, that is what I am talking about. You lot have been brainwashed by the liberal pc correct education system. Majority of tutors and teachers and leftist liberals that try and drum their opinions on to their students and for the most part it has worked, should be illegal. According to the left I am a racist nazi fascist for being worried about the influx of migrants and refugees. Our schools can not handle it, we do not have enough housing specially social our infrastructure simply can not handle it any more. Also why should my child lose out on education because a couple in the class can not speak English and the focus is on them. Have you ever tried getting social housing these days? I know a pregnant mother who is basically homeless but the waiting list is so long. They say immigrants do not jump the queue, that is a load of rubbish, of course they do. Try get a doctors appointment or if you are unlucky have to go to A and E. You will see the reason why it takes so long, full of people who have never paid a penny in to the system.

Call me racist for wanting more control over who comes here, who gets housing and who gets to use our NHS that I pay for through my taxes, I really do not care. That word is used way too much these days it means nothing.

Why not?  If the only point of contention is the Irish border, then surely continuing negotiations where neither side is actually interested in creating a hard border is better than having a hard border up in three weeks.

Like I said, the ball needs to go back to the other court.  Let them own a share of the consequences by having to make a tough choice.

That's simply incorrect.  The backstop doesn't come into effect until 2021 at the earliest in the case of future negotiations faltering.  Strip it out of May's deal and nothing changes in the immediate future while the two sides continue negotiating the broader agreement during the transition period.

There's no "automatic" hard border.  Neither side even wants a hard border.  And all Britain is asking for is an expiration date on the backstop so they won't be permanently entangled.  In the end, that's a bare minimum for a country to demand in any negotiations.  It's basic sovereignty.

Umm, no.  That's where I was completely correct from the beginning.  I said if the UK sends back an agreement in which they aren't permanently locked in, then they could continue negotiating for the next few years instead of facing a hard border in a few weeks.

You decided to throw a meme at me and tell me the hard border was automatic without the backstop, instead of something to be negotiated later, demonstrating that you didn't understand what it was.

I then correctly define what it means, and then you repeat what I said and tell me that I'm wrong.

Nobody wants a hard border? I heard that one before:

"Niemand hat die Absicht eine Mauer zu errichten!" (Translation: Nobody wants to erect a wall!) GDR State Council Walter Ulbricht, June 15 1961, weeks before the Berlin wall started to be built.

I'm sure comparing the British not giving up their sovereignty to East Germans imprisoning their own citizens sounded clever in your head.  I assure you, it wasn't.  It was in nothing but poor taste.

They don't like the Backstop? That's totally okay, but then they should come with workable alternatives instead of just being naysayers.

There's two, more likely four years to explore how the Irish border will be handled while they're in the transition period.  The only thing they're saying is that the EU doesn't get to lock them in and give them a tool for essentially dictating terms at the end of those negotiations.

In the end, it's the UK's border.  The EU and even Ireland doesn't get to dictate it.  They can negotiate, but this attempt to strong arm is pretty much exactly why the EU itself (and international institutions in general) are problematic.

That's simply incorrect.  The backstop doesn't come into effect until 2021 at the earliest in the case of future negotiations faltering.  Strip it out of May's deal and nothing changes in the immediate future while the two sides continue negotiating the broader agreement during the transition period.

There's no "automatic" hard border.  Neither side even wants a hard border.  And all Britain is asking for is an expiration date on the backstop so they won't be permanently entangled.  In the end, that's a bare minimum for a country to demand in any negotiations.  It's basic sovereignty.

We will not be forced to give benefits which includes sending child benefit to people in Poland, we will not be forced to house EU immigrants, we will not be forced to pay single mothers with 12 kids from Slovakia who have never paid a penny in to the system child tax credit. The list goes on. Ill take proper tomorrow I need to be up for work and pay tax at 7 and it is already late.

And?

And such a deal needs to have a backstop or other such mechanism to be accepted by the EU. You don't understand that the backstop (or any replacement of it) must be part of the deal and that one must be accepted by the UK parliament before April 12, or there will be no deal.

I completely understand that's what the EU wants.  The UK is correctly refusing to relinquish its sovereignty.  So the EU can't have it.

And if the Irish border is truly that important to them, then it's the EU that needs to be flexible on the subject, not the UK.  Otherwise, the hard border happens in 3 weeks.

The UK had almost 3 years but all they did was saying what they didn't want. Now it's high time to tell what they want.

That's silly rhetoric and ignores that I advised that they do exactly that and send back an amended deal.  I've little doubt that it would pass without that poison pill.

Also, how do you get to "2, likely 4 years"?

May's deal includes an option for a two year extension.

In short, the UK had any opportunity to figure that out, but they rather squandered their time. Time's up

Again, that's silly rhetoric.  There is still plenty of time to negotiate within the transition period.  The backstop is, theoretically, not even supposed to be used.  You're acting like the whole thing has to be decided now, when the whole point of the backstop was that it would be decided later and the EU wanted an insurance policy.

They don't want a wall, but refuse everything that would avoid a wall. The result will be a wall at this rate if they can't decide on something within the next 3 weeks.

What everything?  There's only one thing on the table.

The ball is on the Uk side for some time now, it's time to play.

And, as I said, they should say what they will accept and put the onus on the EU.

They thought they were holding all the cards, but found out just how wrong they were. It's not the UK, but the EU who holds the cards

Yeah, that sort of attitude is exactly why Brexit is the correct move.  What a world we live in where people don't recognize how corrosive that is.