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UK should start immediately tightening commercial relationships with the rest of Commonwealth, including privileged deals impossible staying in the EU, as not only the whole Commonwealth is bigger than EU and it still has a higher potential for economic growth, so it could replace EU membership very advantageously in the mid and long term, but it could also give it a greater bargaining power in the Brexit deals with EU. Tighter relationships with USA, Russia and China will help too, but those with USA need prudence, as USA always try to get the lion's share.
The whole Brexit game can be played very well by UK, better than by EU that severely lacks nimbleness, but it needs good leaders to do it. Will Theresa be up to the task?



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Europe Union was a mistake, it has nothing to do with free trade, but a totalitarian superstate run by a bunch of unknown bureaucrats. The good news is that it is set to colapse sooner or later, just like Soviet Union.



When Britain first voted to leave, the EU offered two future relationships. Norway model, Canada model. On top of that there is WTO policy. Parliament should have first debated on whether the Norway model fulfils Brexit. Once that was in, everyone of these options should have been voted on, with the winner being the future model.

If that would have happened every person and company would know where they stand. Most of that framework could have been in place right now, with just the fine tuning left.

Instead the British people have been betrayed by the politicians and government. Theresa May has however bought a fourth option. It is time all 4 were offered in the meaningful vote. It is madness that soon the only options will be Mays deal and Remain will win against the vote by political shenanigans.

It does no longer matter how people voted. Unless the UK leaves the EU in March, for me Democracy is dead as A concept in the UK and I would never vote for a mainstream party again unless that happened. It is now more the principle than the policy.



CuCabeludo said:
Europe Union was a mistake, it has nothing to do with free trade, but a totalitarian superstate run by a bunch of unknown bureaucrats. The good news is that it is set to colapse sooner or later, just like Soviet Union.

So, you're saying it's going to collapse... and then turn into something that's almost as big of a threat?



OlfinBedwere said:
CuCabeludo said:
Europe Union was a mistake, it has nothing to do with free trade, but a totalitarian superstate run by a bunch of unknown bureaucrats. The good news is that it is set to colapse sooner or later, just like Soviet Union.

So, you're saying it's going to collapse... and then turn into something that's almost as big of a threat?

Every country will ultimately regain the power they lost after they entered this supertate, like the control of their borders. You can't run a welfare state that keeps importing migrants that don't work, but keep receiving free money from the government at the cost of taxing the middle class into oblivion. Protests in France just tell you that people are fed up with paying higher and higher taxes.

Migration is only good if the undiviuals come to a place to work and produce due to the lack of native people to work, bad if it is only about sucking the public tits.



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I fear that the Brexit is headed towards a no deal case. The British house of the commons can't vote for May is deal since they already shot it down and Europe does not want to negotiate with the UK anymore. Best case would be if Europe would say to the UK, its either this deal or no deal. Brexit can't be reversed and we ned an answer in january.



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Jaxyfoo said:
When Britain first voted to leave, the EU offered two future relationships. Norway model, Canada model. On top of that there is WTO policy. Parliament should have first debated on whether the Norway model fulfils Brexit. Once that was in, everyone of these options should have been voted on, with the winner being the future model.

If that would have happened every person and company would know where they stand. Most of that framework could have been in place right now, with just the fine tuning left.

Instead the British people have been betrayed by the politicians and government. Theresa May has however bought a fourth option. It is time all 4 were offered in the meaningful vote. It is madness that soon the only options will be Mays deal and Remain will win against the vote by political shenanigans.

It does no longer matter how people voted. Unless the UK leaves the EU in March, for me Democracy is dead as A concept in the UK and I would never vote for a mainstream party again unless that happened. It is now more the principle than the policy.

I wouldn't be surprised, really. I predicted a while back that May deal is gonna be a disaster, and it was, by design. A push for a second referendum isn't out of the question at this point. The fear mongering machines are relentless. Talks of delaying brexit and a 2nd referendum are very much normalised at this point. 



JRPGfan said:
EricHiggin said:

Yes. The EU will make things hard on the UK on purpose, to make an example of them. Hopefully is causes the UK to fold and remain, or exit and fail. If the other nations get out of line, they will know what they potentially face this way, so they are likely to stay put. If the EU cared about the UK and it's people and democracy, it would fold and make it easy for them, but they aren't. Who's the good guy and who's the bad guy?

Honestly the EU has been soft on the UK.
This deal is designed in the hopes that the UK takes it and stays rather than crash out in a hard brexit.

Im not sure where people get the idea that the EU is purposefully makeing a exsample out of them.

It's a really lousy deal that's why



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This thread really is a mess...
You guys realise that "may's deal" only sets the temporary relationship between the UK and EU until the true new trade deal is signed. There are only two things certain with "may's deal", a) the UK will leave the EU as a active member and b) the UK won't cut off all it's relations with the EU and restart at WTO level. The new relationship between UK and EU after the real deal is signed still can be anything from the Norway model(unlikely) to the canada model.

personally Brexit showed me three things:
a) public votes that are only adviseral are a stupid and really undemocratic concept, you Brits should change that in your constitution.

b) the lack of basic global economic understanding amongst many Brexiters. All this talk about "we will make better trade deals without the EU" and "the commonwealth can replace the EU as a trade partner", what are you guys smoking on your little island? If you have to name one thing the EU is really good in, it has to be trade policy because it's the only policy field where the EU institutions can use the full might of the 21 trillion $ single market. This brings me to the last point.

c) the lack of basic understanding what the EU is, how it works and what it can and can't do. When you hear all the horror stories about the EU, it feels like pure irony that Brexiters call the campaign for remain "project fear".



I’m in so called “brexit group” working with our UK distributor and no matter the option, the cost of crashing out will be enormous! Not only that, but they'll most likely lose ability to provide next day service to our European customers and this is way bigger deal than any extra cost. At this point we know that a lot of jobs are on the line as it’d be much cheaper just to move our main UK DC to mainland Europe, considering that over 50% of sales come from EU countries, not to mention Japan (another huge chunk of our business) where at the moment we enjoy 0% tariffs on our goods. And this is not only them, but also their subcontractors and vendors. It's worth to mention that it is FTSE 250 company, and it is one of the biggest employers in the area.

Anyways, any deal with the considerable transitional period, could potentially save those jobs and people who bluntly claim that in the event of no deal, UK’s going to be just fine, never worked in supply chain.


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