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Who did you vote for?

GOP Rep and GOP Senator 20 30.77%
 
Democrat Rep and Democrat Senator 38 58.46%
 
GOP Rep and Democrat Senator 0 0.00%
 
Democrat Rep and GOP Senator 4 6.15%
 
Third Party/Other 3 4.62%
 
Total:65
cycycychris said:



Its over in Arizona, Mcsally has conceded. Arizona just elected its first female senator, the first bi-sexual senator ever, and she is also non-religous.... which I'm gonna also count as a first since I doubt anyone has been that before.

Can you say that Arizona might be turning blue? if not, maybe the coming decade?



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Mr_Destiny said:
thismeintiel said:

Not my fault you guys are mad that the blue wave didn't happen.

The GOP won the overall House popular vote by 6.8% in 2010 (Wikipedia), which everyone called a wave. So far, the Dems also lead by 6.8% (Cook Political Report, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WxDaxD5az6kdOjJncmGph37z0BPNhV1fNAH_g7IkpC0/edit#gid=0), and that will only go up as California counts its absentee and mail-in ballots. If you go by the 2010 standard, this election definitely counts as a wave.

Just so you know, California sways the population vote for this, due to the fact that there was no republican on the ballet, so 100% of the votes in California all go towards the % you are using.



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SpokenTruth said:

OK, this is enough.  You keep outright lying.

1. Nobody wants to count votes from illegal aliens.  Shame on you for suggesting such nonsense.

2. There is oversight.  The provisional ballot validation in Palm Beach County was live streamed with lawyers from both parties overseeing it.  I know because I watched it.  Here is a video of it.  The recounts themselves are overseen by lawyers from both parties.  This is required by law and is being followed.  Unless you can prove otherwise, stop lying.

3. Most of the "found" ballets are simply provisional ballots that always come in after the election date by the very nature of being a provisional ballot.  If you don't want to count provisional ballots, change the law.

4. Not only are they not on time, but they received accommodations because of Hurricane Michael AND their SOE is violating the law by allowing email ballots.

Maybe you should stop lying.

1). No one wants illegals' votes to count?  Well, expect the lawyers representing Gillum and Nelson in Florida.  Oh, and the election supervisor in Broward County. And I'm sure all the Dems who want illegals to count toward the population in their state, which determines Federal funding and how many House seats they qualify for, wouldn't mind them voting.

2). Of course, that speaks nothing to the BS going on in those two counties and Florida.  Moving ballots in private cars.  Finding ballots after Election Day, when the law states they are to be accounted for that night.  Those ballots just so happen to heavily favor Dems.  3). The supervisor's not wanting any oversight at all.  4). One denying a court order for transparency.  5). One now denying reporters in to oversee, which has been permitted in the past.  6). And personally, I don't think candidates should be allowed to un-concede.

7). Then, on a pathetic side note, we have Arizona and Georgia.  Arizona Reps foolishly agreed to allow the counties to continue to "fix" ballots that were deemed invalid, well past the deadline.  Probably buying into the lie that the last votes would actually favor McSally.  Surprise, Surprise, they helped Sinema win.  And Abrams in Georgia won't concede, hoping she can find some more votes, somewhere, anywhere, to dwindle Metz lower than 50%.  That race should be 100% done, but I guess she can't handle losing.

If you honestly think everything is up to par with these elections, then you are yourself a dishonest broker. 

1). Stop projecting what you want.  You want us to want illegals to vote. But no, we don't.  We want them to become legal citizens and then we'll accept their vote. All that aside, illegals cannot vote to begin with.  You do know that, don't you?  Because you have to prove you are a registered voter to vote.  And to register to vote, you have to prove you are a citizen. You were aware of this I hope.  Or have you accepted the lies of Alex Jones and others that claim (without evidence) rampant illegal voting?

2). None of that was illegal.  Was it poor management by the SOE?  Sure. Is any of it fraud?  Nope.  In fact, the Florida Attorney General wants the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to investigate Rick Scott for falsely claiming the fraud.

3). I just gave you a video of the Broward County SOE authenticating the provisional ballots with lawyers from both parties and law enforcement present. You need to provide evidence to back up your claim or I will continue to call you a liar.

4). She didn't refuse to comply, she said was not possible to comply in time. That's a very big difference that you don't seem to care about.

5). Source?

6). A concession is not legally binding.  Especially given that election night concessions are always based on incomplete data.  This is true for every state.  ALL returns on election night are considered preliminary and unofficial numbers. They are not official until Nov 20th. Concessions are just a traditional formality of cordiality, not a legally binding exit of the race.  That takes a formal notice to the department of elections.

7). So you are not in favor of democracy.  Got it.  You don't want all the votes to be counted if they show a candidate winning you don't like.  No laws were broken and things went in favor of the Democrats and that bothers you.

Finally, I provided sources and back up my claims.  No lies.  But you've just lied and backed them up with...more lies.
 



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OTBWY said:
cycycychris said:



Its over in Arizona, Mcsally has conceded. Arizona just elected its first female senator, the first bi-sexual senator ever, and she is also non-religous.... which I'm gonna also count as a first since I doubt anyone has been that before.

Can you say that Arizona might be turning blue? if not, maybe the coming decade?

Arizona is getting a lot of people from liberal areas moving into its metropolitan areas, like Phoenix. With large amount of immigrants living in the state, its very possible the demographics are shifting. But I think one of the biggest reasons Sinema won is that she is incredibly moderate. Like really moderate, she votes with Trump 50% or 60% of the time. While Mcsally is rather moderate of a republican, she went full Trump during the campaign. So are the Democrats making a break out in Arizona, yes and no. I think what we saw in this election is that Arizona wants a moderate politician to represent them them, not a trumper like Mcsally played herself to be.

Anyways, expects the republicans in the state to pass voter suppression laws pretty soon to stop the Hispanic vote from impacting elections.



     

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cycycychris said:
OTBWY said:

Can you say that Arizona might be turning blue? if not, maybe the coming decade?

Arizona is getting a lot of people from liberal areas moving into its metropolitan areas, like Phoenix. With large amount of immigrants living in the state, its very possible the demographics are shifting. But I think one of the biggest reasons Sinema won is that she is incredibly moderate. Like really moderate, she votes with Trump 50% or 60% of the time. While Mcsally is rather moderate of a republican, she went full Trump during the campaign. So are the Democrats making a break out in Arizona, yes and no. I think what we saw in this election is that Arizona wants a moderate politician to represent them them, not a trumper like Mcsally played herself to be.

Anyways, expects the republicans in the state to pass voter suppression laws pretty soon to stop the Hispanic vote from impacting elections.

One thing I heard interesting the other day, in regards to Texas voting more Democratic than before is due to people moving.

People commonly think "oh immigrants"

But the point brought up was that middle class/wealthy people who are democrats move out of California because of the high taxes to places like Texas with little taxes, and yet when they move their they keep their ideology and continue to vote for politicians like they had in California, which includes higher taxes. Kind of funny when you think about it.



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irstupid said:
cycycychris said:

Arizona is getting a lot of people from liberal areas moving into its metropolitan areas, like Phoenix. With large amount of immigrants living in the state, its very possible the demographics are shifting. But I think one of the biggest reasons Sinema won is that she is incredibly moderate. Like really moderate, she votes with Trump 50% or 60% of the time. While Mcsally is rather moderate of a republican, she went full Trump during the campaign. So are the Democrats making a break out in Arizona, yes and no. I think what we saw in this election is that Arizona wants a moderate politician to represent them them, not a trumper like Mcsally played herself to be.

Anyways, expects the republicans in the state to pass voter suppression laws pretty soon to stop the Hispanic vote from impacting elections.

One thing I heard interesting the other day, in regards to Texas voting more Democratic than before is due to people moving.

People commonly think "oh immigrants"

But the point brought up was that middle class/wealthy people who are democrats move out of California because of the high taxes to places like Texas with little taxes, and yet when they move their they keep their ideology and continue to vote for politicians like they had in California, which includes higher taxes. Kind of funny when you think about it.

Actually, I was listening to some Ben Shapiro this week and he said most of the people moving to Texas are voting Republican. The Native born Texans are voting Democrat more than Republican (by a little).

It would make sense because if you lived in a liberal area, you will know how the Democrats will treat you and chase all the middle-class jobs out with a lot of regulations and high taxes. Some native-born Texans won't understand how Democrats really are.

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irstupid said:
Mr_Destiny said:

The GOP won the overall House popular vote by 6.8% in 2010 (Wikipedia), which everyone called a wave. So far, the Dems also lead by 6.8% (Cook Political Report, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WxDaxD5az6kdOjJncmGph37z0BPNhV1fNAH_g7IkpC0/edit#gid=0), and that will only go up as California counts its absentee and mail-in ballots. If you go by the 2010 standard, this election definitely counts as a wave.

Just so you know, California sways the population vote for this, due to the fact that there was no republican on the ballet, so 100% of the votes in California all go towards the % you are using.

That's how it worked out in the Senate race, but we're talking about the House. Statewide, there were 8 races without a Republican, and one without a Democrat, so it does move the needle, but not by much.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/06/us/elections/results-california-elections.html

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Florida... where voting goes to die. So, the main issue in Florida is that their technology is so screwed up and old that they might as well do it by hand. For nearly 20 years now I have witnessed one botched election after another. Now, their counting machines are actually overheating and they are saying that they found where machines are just so old they can't record the correct choice. Then there is freaking Palm Beach County with machines so old, they are breaking and the company that makes them no longer exists. What in the 1960s is going on down there. If I lost a race down there, I would dispute the vote no matter what.



Snoopy said:
irstupid said:

One thing I heard interesting the other day, in regards to Texas voting more Democratic than before is due to people moving.

People commonly think "oh immigrants"

But the point brought up was that middle class/wealthy people who are democrats move out of California because of the high taxes to places like Texas with little taxes, and yet when they move their they keep their ideology and continue to vote for politicians like they had in California, which includes higher taxes. Kind of funny when you think about it.

Actually, I was listening to some Ben Shapiro this week and he said most of the people moving to Texas are voting Republican. The Native born Texans are voting Democrat more than Republican (by a little).

It would make sense because if you lived in a liberal area, you will know how the Democrats will treat you and chase all the middle-class jobs out with a lot of regulations and high taxes. Some native-born Texans won't understand how Democrats really are.

And some native born Texans do understand that when Republicans give major tax cuts which mostly benefits the wealthiest in the country, they pay for them by cutting funds for programs like medicare and medicaid, which will impact low and middle class income takers more than the bread crumbs they were tossed with a tax cut.

Take this example that Paul Ryan proudly retweeted, of a secretary who was happy that she got.... wait for it... a $1.50 weekly increase in take-home pay.
After it dawned on him that an extra Snickers bar per week is not something to brag about when the wealthiest in the country just got trillions in tax breaks, he deleted the tweet.

But yeah, those are the kind of people who tend to vote for Republican tax cuts. The ones who who don't question the crumbs they are tossed.

CosmicSex said:
Florida... where voting goes to die. So, the main issue in Florida is that their technology is so screwed up and old that they might as well do it by hand. For nearly 20 years now I have witnessed one botched election after another. Now, their counting machines are actually overheating and they are saying that they found where machines are just so old they can't record the correct choice. Then there is freaking Palm Beach County with machines so old, they are breaking and the company that makes them no longer exists. What in the 1960s is going on down there. If I lost a race down there, I would dispute the vote no matter what.

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Hiku said:
Snoopy said:

Actually, I was listening to some Ben Shapiro this week and he said most of the people moving to Texas are voting Republican. The Native born Texans are voting Democrat more than Republican (by a little).

It would make sense because if you lived in a liberal area, you will know how the Democrats will treat you and chase all the middle-class jobs out with a lot of regulations and high taxes. Some native-born Texans won't understand how Democrats really are.

And some native born Texans do understand that when Republicans give major tax cuts which mostly benefits the wealthiest in the country, they pay for them by cutting funds for programs like medicare and medicaid, which will impact low and middle class income takers more than the bread crumbs they were tossed with a tax cut.

Take this example that Paul Ryan proudly retweeted, of a secretary who was happy that she got.... wait for it... a $1.50 weekly increase in take-home pay.
After it dawned on him that an extra Snickers bar per week is not something to brag about when the wealthiest in the country just got trillions in tax breaks, he deleted the tweet.

But yeah, those are the kind of people who tend to vote for Republican tax cuts. The ones who who don't question the crumbs they are tossed.

CosmicSex said:
Florida... where voting goes to die. So, the main issue in Florida is that their technology is so screwed up and old that they might as well do it by hand. For nearly 20 years now I have witnessed one botched election after another. Now, their counting machines are actually overheating and they are saying that they found where machines are just so old they can't record the correct choice. Then there is freaking Palm Beach County with machines so old, they are breaking and the company that makes them no longer exists. What in the 1960s is going on down there. If I lost a race down there, I would dispute the vote no matter what.

Whenever you cut taxes, wealthiest will always benefit because they pay the most taxes by far. It isn't even close. Second, there is a reason why thousands of people a DAY move from California to Texas. It is cheaper and gives you a lot of opportunities to grow yourself and take care of yourself. There is no state taxes or high cost of living like California unless you choose to live in a rich area. Which gives us opportunities to grow and save up for rainy days. Lastly, social programs should be removed. It is obvious whether or not we tax a lot or not, there isn't enough money to keep programs like social security alive. Medicare has also artificially made health care more expensive than it needs to be. If you notice, any sector that the government puts a lot of regulations on gets a lot more expensive. Look how expensive education and health care gotten when the government got their big noses in it. When we let the private sector take over, things become a lot cheaper and consumers have more choices. Look how over the years entertainment industry and cars have gotten cheaper for the average consumer when the government doesn't have nearly as many regulations and more importantly isn't FORCED.

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