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Ka-pi96 said:
RJTM1991 said:

Playstation has always been a supermassive brand, but when it came to popularity last gen, the 360 had the PS3 beat.

In my opinion, the scales only tipped when the 360's casual audience jumped ship to the PS4.

The scales were in the favour of the PS3 the entire gen everywhere except the US. It won Europe at a canter without needing to wait for anybody to jump ship, and PS3 vs 360 in Japan was just a massacre.

Ah, but the PS3 and 360 were neck-and-neck sales wise. Some sites even report that the 360 narrowly outsold the PS3.

It wasn't until the XB1 PR disaster that Sony took a clear, worldwide lead.



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RJTM1991 said:
Ka-pi96 said:

The scales were in the favour of the PS3 the entire gen everywhere except the US. It won Europe at a canter without needing to wait for anybody to jump ship, and PS3 vs 360 in Japan was just a massacre.

Ah, but the PS3 and 360 were neck-and-neck sales wise. Some sites even report that the 360 narrowly outsold the PS3.

It wasn't until the XB1 PR disaster that Sony took a clear, worldwide lead.

The PS3 already had a clear worldwide lead everwhere except the US.



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LiquorandGunFun said:

This LOL

 

MS fucked up. sony capitalized.

Really?  Don't know why people continue to put the "Microsoft fucked up Sony capitalized" mantra out there.

Two countries represented 70% of xbox 360 sales.  What would Sony capitalize on when they were already dominant in markets outside those two?

really? sigh, not even worth it. thought it was pretty streight forward, but then this is the internet. enjoy your beliefs, not interested in sales warz.



 

Ka-pi96 said:
RJTM1991 said:

Ah, but the PS3 and 360 were neck-and-neck sales wise. Some sites even report that the 360 narrowly outsold the PS3.

It wasn't until the XB1 PR disaster that Sony took a clear, worldwide lead.

The PS3 already had a clear worldwide lead everwhere except the US.

...and now, partially thanks to the PR botch and other MS shenanigans, Sony owns the US.



Lesianimanalo said:
Sony won because the DS4 controller is symmetrical.

I was reading the thread from the beginning, seeing everyone's point of view and arguments, and then your comment popped. It made me laugh.

OT: The video was cool.



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RJTM1991 said:
Ka-pi96 said:

The scales were in the favour of the PS3 the entire gen everywhere except the US. It won Europe at a canter without needing to wait for anybody to jump ship, and PS3 vs 360 in Japan was just a massacre.

Ah, but the PS3 and 360 were neck-and-neck sales wise. Some sites even report that the 360 narrowly outsold the PS3.

It wasn't until the XB1 PR disaster that Sony took a clear, worldwide lead.

How do you definine "neck and neck"??? By sales by year or lifetime??? Are PS4 and Switch sales neck and neck right now or not because one have around 60M sold more than the other??

PS3 always sold each year more than X360, only the very first years can be considered neck and neck, that's why PS3 recovered from a year later start in USA and almost a year and a half in Europe  to finish with even more lifetime sales. To diminish the worldwide success of PS4 saying that it was because of XB1 PR disaster is a fallacy. PS3 was the best selling console in 2013 and PS4 was in 2014. The only reason some people get confused is because X360 finished way stronger in USA compared to its rivals Wii and PS3, so the USA centric media and forums expected XBO to dominate next gen, but for everyone else outside USA with a knowledge of how PS3 was selling elsewhere it surprised nobody. PS4 was going to sell more worldwide even if XBO PR disaster never happened in its launch. That only secured that PS4 was going to sell even better than XBO.

To put things into perspective right, a Playstation home console has been the best selling console of the year since 1996 until 2017 except in 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010 (Wii was the best selling console those years). that's 18 from 22 possible years being Playstation the leading platform of the year.

If something, a person, a team, a company, "wins" 18 of 22 years, how do you not expect to win always next year?? And yes, there is handhelds where Nintendo is the clear winner, but the industry of handheld consoles don't move anything closer the amount of money and softaware sales that home console bring to the table. So to compare success of a home console against a handheld console 1:1 is not completely fair. That's why i prefer to disccuss only home console in this topic, because the original topic was about PS4 against XBO anyway...

Last edited by colafitte - on 26 September 2018

colafitte said:
RJTM1991 said:

Ah, but the PS3 and 360 were neck-and-neck sales wise. Some sites even report that the 360 narrowly outsold the PS3.

It wasn't until the XB1 PR disaster that Sony took a clear, worldwide lead.

How do you definine "neck and neck"??? By sales by year or lifetime??? Are PS4 and Switch sales neck and neck right now or not because one have around 60M sold more than the other??

PS3 always sold each year more than X360, only the very first years can be considered neck and neck, that's why PS3 recovered from a year later start in USA and almost a year and a half in Europe  to finish with even more lifetime sales. To diminish the worldwide success of PS4 saying that it was because of XB1 PR disaster is a fallacy. PS3 was the best selling console in 2013 and PS4 was in 2014. The only reason some people get confused is because X360 finished way stronger in USA compared to its rivals Wii and PS3, so the USA centric media and forums expected XBO to dominate next gen, but to anyone else outside USA with a knowledge of how PS3 was selling elsewhere it surprised nobody. PS4 was going to sell more worldwide even if XBO PR disaster never happened in its launch. That only secured that PS4 was going to sell even better than XBO.

To put things into perspective right, a Playstation home console has been the best selling console of the year since 1996 until 2017 except in 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010 (Wii was the best selling console those years). that's 18 from 22 possible years being Playstation the leading platform of the year.

If something, a person, a team, a company, "wins" 18 of 22 years, how do you not expect to win always next year?? And yes, there is handhelds where Nintendo is the clear winner, but the industry of handheld consoles don't move anything closer the amount of money and softaware sales that home console bring to the table. So to compare success of a home console against a handheld console 1:1 is not completely fair. That's why i prefer to disccuss only home console in this topic, because the original topic was about PS4 against XBO anyway...

Not diminishing anything, here's my original post -

"Xbox played a big part in the PS4's success. Between the ridiculous restrictions, lack of top-tier exclusives, and condescending attitudes of their PR team, they practically handed Sony the win this gen.

Microsoft didn't just shoot themselves in the foot, they cut their own fucking legs off."

The Wii U bombed, Xbox was their only competition and they blew it. It's pretty obvious that the negative press surrounding the XB1 helped catapult Sony back to the top.



RJTM1991 said:
colafitte said:

How do you definine "neck and neck"??? By sales by year or lifetime??? Are PS4 and Switch sales neck and neck right now or not because one have around 60M sold more than the other??

PS3 always sold each year more than X360, only the very first years can be considered neck and neck, that's why PS3 recovered from a year later start in USA and almost a year and a half in Europe  to finish with even more lifetime sales. To diminish the worldwide success of PS4 saying that it was because of XB1 PR disaster is a fallacy. PS3 was the best selling console in 2013 and PS4 was in 2014. The only reason some people get confused is because X360 finished way stronger in USA compared to its rivals Wii and PS3, so the USA centric media and forums expected XBO to dominate next gen, but to anyone else outside USA with a knowledge of how PS3 was selling elsewhere it surprised nobody. PS4 was going to sell more worldwide even if XBO PR disaster never happened in its launch. That only secured that PS4 was going to sell even better than XBO.

To put things into perspective right, a Playstation home console has been the best selling console of the year since 1996 until 2017 except in 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010 (Wii was the best selling console those years). that's 18 from 22 possible years being Playstation the leading platform of the year.

If something, a person, a team, a company, "wins" 18 of 22 years, how do you not expect to win always next year?? And yes, there is handhelds where Nintendo is the clear winner, but the industry of handheld consoles don't move anything closer the amount of money and softaware sales that home console bring to the table. So to compare success of a home console against a handheld console 1:1 is not completely fair. That's why i prefer to disccuss only home console in this topic, because the original topic was about PS4 against XBO anyway...

Not diminishing anything, here's my original post -

"Xbox played a big part in the PS4's success. Between the ridiculous restrictions, lack of top-tier exclusives, and condescending attitudes of their PR team, they practically handed Sony the win this gen.

Microsoft didn't just shoot themselves in the foot, they cut their own fucking legs off."

The Wii U bombed, Xbox was their only competition and they blew it. It's pretty obvious that the negative press surrounding the XB1 helped catapult Sony back to the top.

OK, fair enough, but i was really reacting after this quote:

It wasn't until the XB1 PR disaster that Sony took a clear, worldwide lead.

Sony didn't "took" anything after that XB1 PR disaster because they already had it. That's what i was trying to say. X360 sold around 20M more units than PS3 in USA and even with that huge advantage, PS3 still sold equal or more worldwide in less time. PS3 launched even later in Europe (its biggest market) in March 2007 compared to X360 December 2005 launch. 

For me, Sony already had a clear lead worldwide as a whole (even counting US sales), but if your "clear" means selling 2x or even 3x more, then i guess you're right.

But if you asked me back then in 2013, I expected already, even before the annoucements of both consoles that PS4 was going to sell more than XBO and the next Nintendo home console (I always thought that Wii was something that Nintendo would never replicate again, I almost ended being wrong knowing now how Switch is doing, although it's still not Wii levels of success, and I don't expect PS4 level of success in the end either, but that's another discussion).



LuccaCardoso1 said:

What an unbiased channel.

Oh, and btw, it feels a bit pretentious to call that a "documentary".

LMAO



LuccaCardoso1 said:

What an unbiased channel.

Oh, and btw, it feels a bit pretentious to call that a "documentary".

Pretentious to call it documentary, perhaps, but the fact that a video about PS comes from a PS channel doesn't make it unsuitable to be shared. I don't see the problem.



My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

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