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MrWayne on 20 September 2018
Wyrdness said:
MrWayne said:

And it seems you don't know what the initial reason for this discussion was.

First of all, Sony and Nintendo partner with other companies rather than building their own server structure does not necessarily mean that free cloud savings would let them go bankrupt. Even if the financial burden would be too high, it would still be their own fault that they can not offer this service for free. They decided to rely on third party internet infrastructure.

That's why I said "Nintendo is charging money for cloud saves because they can."
They just want to make a little of bit extra money from people who aren't interested in their mediocre online subscription.

You're acting as if any business in existence owes you something when in fact neither Sony nor Nintendo do which is why if the financial burden is an issue they add subscriptions the same way countries adjust taxes to sort out issues or add to their infrastructure it's unrealistic to expect companies to invest in something unrelated to their business years before it becomes a factor in their field, you're essentially arguing in hindsight it would be like saying the US should have anti aircraft guns locked and loaded to stop the Pearl Harbour incident.

They're charging money because it's part of the service package that's what it comes down to.

Well, I am a consumer. It's true that no company owes me anything, but I also owe them nothing. All I'm interested in is getting the best service possible. Nintendo does not provide that service for me, so I'm vocal about it.



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MrWayne on 21 September 2018
SpokenTruth said:
MrWayne said:

Well, I am a consumer. It's true that no company owes me anything, but I also owe them nothing. All I'm interested in is getting the best service possible. Nintendo does not provide that service for me, so I'm vocal about it.

To sum up, you want something for free that costs them money and are complaining about it because other companies that already have those as a business model don't charge you for it.

Note, when I say free I mean free like on Steam and XBox. Cloud saves aren't literally free on Steam because you have to buy a Steam game in order to use them, basically the price for Cloud saves is included in the game price.

Apart from that, your summary is pretty correct. The business model of a company is completely irrelevant for the consumer. Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft and Steam compete in the same market and offer me the same service (online service with cloud save funktuality).

Imagine two companies, comp A and comp B, offer you two very similar products but the product of comp A is 2 times as costly as comp B's product. maybe comp A's product costs more because their production is less efficient but that doesn't matter comp B's product has still the better value for the consumers.



MrWayne on 21 September 2018
SpokenTruth said:
MrWayne said:

Note, when I say free I mean free like on Steam and XBox. Cloud saves aren't literally free on Steam because you have to buy a Steam game in order to use them, basically the price for Cloud saves is included in the game price.

Apart from that, your summary is pretty correct. The business model of a company is completely irrelevant for the consumer. Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft and Steam compete in the same market and offer me the same service (online service with cloud save funktuality).

Imagine two companies, comp A and comp B, offer you two very similar products but the product of comp A is 2 times as costly as comp B's product. maybe comp A's product costs more because their production is less efficient but that doesn't matter comp B's product has still the better value for the consumers.

They are free on Steam to you because advertising pays for it....not because it's tacked into the game price.  Same reason Google is free, Facebook is free, etc....the cost is paid indirectly.  Sony and Nintendo do not use advertising as a business model.  And I imagine you'd raise a stink if they did.

So again, you are asking for a service for free.  If you want cloud saves, pay the $1.67 per month for the online service.  Or $5 per month for Sony's.

Can you specify which advertising you mean exactly? The only advertisement I can think of outside of the shop itself is the window that pops up when you log in to Steam after starting the PC.



MrWayne on 21 September 2018
SpokenTruth said:
MrWayne said:

Can you specify which advertising you mean exactly? The only advertisement I can think of outside of the shop itself is the window that pops up when you log in to Steam after starting the PC.

Yes, that's their advertising. 

I do find it ironic that MS still puts adds on Xbox Live despite being a paid online service.

So you say I can choose between, a) paying 20$ a year or b) a window which provides me with information about the latest releases and sales and can be close within seconds.

I definitely choose b.

Also Valve is not like Facebook or Google, Valves main business is selling games, Facebook and google aren't shops, they don't sell anything. Amazon would be a way better comparison although it lacks the hole community side and other features of Steam.



Helloplite on 22 September 2018

This is a terrible idea. The whole online program sounds terrible. Cheap, obtrusive and not worth it. I expect more and better from Nintendo. To go to this from free online is insulting.



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Jumpin on 22 September 2018

I cannot fathom how this is at all a controversial thing. Millennial entitlement is pathetic.

“What do you mean I can’t have phone service if I stop paying for it? This is horrible!”



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

Baddman on 24 September 2018

People sure love to complain about trivial things



Conina on 25 September 2018
SpokenTruth said:
MrWayne said:

Can you specify which advertising you mean exactly? The only advertisement I can think of outside of the shop itself is the window that pops up when you log in to Steam after starting the PC.

Yes, that's their advertising. 

When I open the PS Store or eShop I also get a lot of advertisement... probably more than on Steam.



Mr.GameCrazy on 25 September 2018

We got some clarification regarding cloud saves.

http://m.ign.com/articles/2018/09/25/nintendo-will-let-you-recover-cloud-saves-up-to-6-months-after-your-switch-online-subscription-lapses



Green098 on 25 September 2018

Six months, just as long as Sony and for a third of the cost.

People can be too quick to overreact when it comes Nintendo Switch Online.