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Jaicee said:
Megiddo said:
Portal is feminist game? In what respect? Is Glados supposed to be representative of the patriarchal society? That's bizarre.

In some ways, yes. Also, I think it may be worth pointing out the Portal story doesn't conclude on a note of enmity between Chell and Gladdos.

I mean, in some ways, how? I can't think of a single time in the Portal games where the protagonist being a woman had any sort of effect on the story.  If all that's needed for feminism is a female protagonist then I guess I could see your point. I would think there'd have to be some sort of substance behind it though.  I'd say there's a heck of a lot of enmity at the end of Portal 2. The ending theme is literally "Want You Gone".



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Megiddo said:
Portal is feminist game? In what respect? Is Glados supposed to be representative of the patriarchal society? That's bizarre.

Well, Portal 1 has an entirely female cast (even if it's just two characters) and in Portal 2 Glados and Chell team up against Wheatley. Portal is also apparently directd by a woman (something I didn't know until today). If feminist media stands for representation of women, then it seems Portal is a feminist game 



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Feminist games are games with a deliberate agenda to 'better' represent women. Some are good, but the agenda is insidious and toxic. Feminism was needed 30 years ago, today with equal rights achieved, it's simply evolving in to a tool of subtle male oppression. Not on purpose, but with that effect in the education and prison system among many others.



GameOverture said:
Megiddo said:
Portal is feminist game? In what respect? Is Glados supposed to be representative of the patriarchal society? That's bizarre.

Well, Portal 1 has an entirely female cast (even if it's just two characters) and in Portal 2 Glados and Chell team up against Wheatley. Portal is also apparently directd by a woman (something I didn't know until today). If feminist media stands for representation of women, then it seems Portal is a feminist game 

That's not what I understand feminism to be though. I would think the recent Star Wars sequels where female characters are shown to be wholly superior to the male characters in practically every way would be more the kind of feminism OP is asking about. To which I would say that Horizon Zero Dawn is actually a pretty good case. Since other than the father figure, pretty much every male character in that game is either completely incompetent or fully dependent on Aloy or both. That's the sort of "women power, rah rah rah" feel that I understand feminism to be all about.



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Feminist games are games that make me uncomfortable because they threaten my masculinity and try to make me believe that women can be strong and independent without needing the help of a man. I avoid buying them because I don't want to get brainwashed by evil SJW companies.



I second Megiddo. I see no way in which Portal is feminist. It has a female protagonist, sure, but you could easily switch it out for a male and it would make 0 difference.



Megiddo said:
GameOverture said:

Well, Portal 1 has an entirely female cast (even if it's just two characters) and in Portal 2 Glados and Chell team up against Wheatley. Portal is also apparently directd by a woman (something I didn't know until today). If feminist media stands for representation of women, then it seems Portal is a feminist game 

That's not what I understand feminism to be though. I would think the recent Star Wars sequels where female characters are shown to be wholly superior to the male characters in practically every way would be more the kind of feminism OP is asking about. To which I would say that Horizon Zero Dawn is actually a pretty good case. Since other than the father figure, pretty much every male character in that game is either completely incompetent or fully dependent on Aloy or both. That's the sort of "women power, rah rah rah" feel that I understand feminism to be all about.

I'm no expert, but feminism has many branches and I'm pretty sure some of them would consider Portal to be, if not a overtly feminist game, at least a "feminist-friendly" one. Portal 1 is probably one of the few games that would pass the Bechdel test (maybe not since Chell is silent, but I'd argue the test probably needs to be adapted a little in order to make sense for videogames)



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GameOverture said:
Megiddo said:

That's not what I understand feminism to be though. I would think the recent Star Wars sequels where female characters are shown to be wholly superior to the male characters in practically every way would be more the kind of feminism OP is asking about. To which I would say that Horizon Zero Dawn is actually a pretty good case. Since other than the father figure, pretty much every male character in that game is either completely incompetent or fully dependent on Aloy or both. That's the sort of "women power, rah rah rah" feel that I understand feminism to be all about.

I'm no expert, but feminism has many branches and I'm pretty sure some of them would consider Portal to be, if not a overtly feminist game, at least a "feminist-friendly" one. Portal 1 is probably one of the few games that would pass the Bechdel test (maybe not since Chell is silent, but I'd argue the test probably needs to be adapted a little in order to make sense for videogames)

They have a test for that... what the fuck. What purpose would this test prove useful for, to lock yourself out of potential IP's you may like or to lock yourself in. Modern feminism must be a cult, the women who fought for women's rights would be ashamed. 



 

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Flilix said:

Feminist games are games that make me uncomfortable because they threaten my masculinity and try to make me believe that women can be strong and independent without needing the help of a man. I avoid buying them because I don't want to get brainwashed by evil SJW companies.

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