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Sony first Party games sales, A huge leap from PS3 era. ( Entered Ninty Level ) Update: GOW at 10m & Uncharted 4 16M

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Only thing I don't understand on this discussion is why people are confusing "entering the level" with surpassing.

The OP and thread only means, that after 4 gens Sony have been consistently putting out games that sell on levels that Nintendo have been doing for a very long time. in PS1-PS3 you would only expect GT to cross 10M, but then Uncharted and TLOU appeared and got near it still on PS3. But just this gen we have come to a situation that a Sony IP can be expected to cross 10M, instead of just acting surprise it crossed 5M.



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CGI-Quality said:
Replicant said:

I struggle to see how I derail the thread by pointing out that Bloodborne has sold much more than 1M. That is literally what the thread is about (Sony first party game sales)

What the thread is not about is how the numbers aren't impressive because Nintendo's numbers are better. Granted, the thread title include "Entered Ninty Level" but I think it's an unnecessary comparison and only does the thread a disservice. Additionally, OP has already clarified that it isn't an attack on Ninty fans but just another way for him to say "entered top tier levels", so I fail to see why it's worth it to leave it in the title.

We've had thread after thread praising and congratulating Nintendo for the incredible strong sales of all their evergreen titles without a bunch of people entering to downplay. Why is it that we can't have a single thread on this site praising anything PS or XB related without all this petty back and forth?

1: You derail the thread by continuing to bring up that it has gone off-topic. Has nothing to do with anything you said about Bloodborne. 

2: As for the thread title, OP doesn't want to change it and he isn't going to be forced to. Whole first page is literally people simply discussing what was originally intended. We're not changing titles because a few people have taken things off-topic.

3: So, it is ultimately time to move on from that discussion.

1: I've always seen you as a fair and level-headed moderator so it's kinda disappointing that you act as if me answering OP one time is the same as "continuing to bring up".

2: How in the world have you come to the conclusion that answering OP with a "Fair enough" is me wanting to force him to change the title?

3: Then move on...



Replicant said:
CGI-Quality said:

1: You derail the thread by continuing to bring up that it has gone off-topic. Has nothing to do with anything you said about Bloodborne. 

2: As for the thread title, OP doesn't want to change it and he isn't going to be forced to. Whole first page is literally people simply discussing what was originally intended. We're not changing titles because a few people have taken things off-topic.

3: So, it is ultimately time to move on from that discussion.

1: I've always seen you as a fair and level-headed moderator so it's kinda disappointing that you act as if me answering OP one time is the same as "continuing to bring up".

2: How in the world have you come to the conclusion that answering OP with a "Fair enough" is me wanting to force him to change the title?

3: Then move on...

For the record, you didn't simply say 'fair enough' and leave it at that, you followed it up with: "But the thread will most likely keep getting derailed then". To which I said: "don't contribute to it" meaning don't add yourself to the problem. You've had ample opportunity to get things back on track and have yet to do it.

So, this is the last time I'm going to tell you to drop it. 

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Uh oh, seems like some one's not happy with the numbers revealed by Sony recently. There can't be some one who really think a company can dominate in some specific things forever, grow up.



DonFerrari said:
Only thing I don't understand on this discussion is why people are confusing "entering the level" with surpassing.

The OP and thread only means, that after 4 gens Sony have been consistently putting out games that sell on levels that Nintendo have been doing for a very long time. in PS1-PS3 you would only expect GT to cross 10M, but then Uncharted and TLOU appeared and got near it still on PS3. But just this gen we have come to a situation that a Sony IP can be expected to cross 10M, instead of just acting surprise it crossed 5M.

Has there been anyone who confused entering the level with surpassing?

The problem is on the people who think that crossing 10m with a few games puts Sony on the same level as Nintendo who have had several IPs surpassing the 20m mark in the past and Switch allows Nintendo to do that again after a botched generation with the Wii U and 3DS. When 10m is considered a different level than 5m, then 15m constitutes a different level than 10m, and 20m is a different level than 15m, and so on.

For console sales, you wouldn't make some arbitrary rule where everything above 50m should be considered the same level either. You'd insist that there's still a clear difference between 50m and 100m, for example.

About the only agreement I can see being reached for the topic at hand is that time should be the judge, so this thread can be bumped whenever new sales information gets released and somebody cares enough to post an update.



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RolStoppable said:

The problem is on the people who think that crossing 10m with a few games puts Sony on the same level as Nintendo who have had several IPs surpassing the 20m mark in the past and Switch allows Nintendo to do that again after a botched generation with the Wii U and 3DS. When 10m is considered a different level than 5m, then 15m constitutes a different level than 10m, and 20m is a different level than 15m, and so on.

For console sales, you wouldn't make some arbitrary rule where everything above 50m should be considered the same level either. You'd insist that there's still a clear difference between 50m and 100m, for example.

A lot of truth to this.

I can dig the idea of Sony entering a realm once dominated by Nintendo, but I get why it is being challenged. Remove personal preferences and the opposing argument keeps its strength. On the flip side, it's still good to see such growth once only imagined by Gran Turismo. 

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CGI-Quality said:
RolStoppable said:

The problem is on the people who think that crossing 10m with a few games puts Sony on the same level as Nintendo who have had several IPs surpassing the 20m mark in the past and Switch allows Nintendo to do that again after a botched generation with the Wii U and 3DS. When 10m is considered a different level than 5m, then 15m constitutes a different level than 10m, and 20m is a different level than 15m, and so on.

For console sales, you wouldn't make some arbitrary rule where everything above 50m should be considered the same level either. You'd insist that there's still a clear difference between 50m and 100m, for example.

A lot of truth to this.

I can dig the idea of Sony entering a realm once dominated by Nintendo, but I get why it is being challenged. Remove personal preferences and the opposing argument keeps its strength. On the flip side, it's still good to see such growth once only imagined by Gran Turismo. 

A lot of truth on what? On Sony 1st party games selling the same as Nintendo 1st party games?

I already exposed numbers as fact in this thread so everyone could see what Nintendo and Sony have done in recent years. What "personal preference" has anything to do with that?

Wich "several IP's" have surpassed 20M on home consoles like Rol said?. Are we counting handheld games now?, games that are sold at a cheaper price than home console versions and that require a cheaper console to play them?? Do we count Mobile gaming sales then here too? Because not a 3D Mario, not a Smash Bros, not a Zelda, not an Animal Crossing, not a Splatoon game have sold that much. Just Wii Sport alike games (which were heavily bundled games on the Wii), 2D Mario games and Mario Kart games. So please, we shouldn't act as if selling more than 20M is the norm with each Nintendo Ip.

Just before Switch, the best selling 3D Mario was Super Mario 64 on N64 with almost 12M sold. Best selling Zelda game was Ocarina of Time on N64 with almost 8M sold. Best Smash Bros was Super Smash Bros Melee on Wii with almost 13M sold. Best selling Animal Crossing was New Leaf on 3DS with almost 11M. And to find the last Pokemon game that sold 20M or more we have to go back to the original GB, because recent Pokemon games on DS and 3DS have been around 15-18M sold.

I see a pattern here of similar numbers....

Until Switch those were the landmark of best selling Nintendo games  in more than 20 years of Nintendo history. Those records for those games were around 10-20M sold, a number Sony wasn't even close to reach except for Gran Turismo games until PS4 came.

Nintendo is doing so great with Switch that they are even surpassing those numbers and records for those IPs, but you know what, Uncharted, The Last of Us, God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, Spiderman are surpassing those records too.

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CGI-Quality said:

For the record, you didn't simply say 'fair enough' and leave it at that, you followed it up with: "But the thread will most likely keep getting derailed then". To which I said: "don't contribute to it" meaning don't add yourself to the problem. You've had ample opportunity to get things back on track and have yet to do it.

So, this is the last time I'm going to tell you to drop it. 

Yeah, I see now that bold was an unnecessary addition. Especially if the comparisons between Sony and Nintendo sales are in fact what OP intended with the thread. The reason why I thought the comparisons were off topic was due to OP saying that he didn't intend to take a dig at Nintendo and that he could've just as well written "entered top tier levels".

I apologize.



Replicant said:
CGI-Quality said:

For the record, you didn't simply say 'fair enough' and leave it at that, you followed it up with: "But the thread will most likely keep getting derailed then". To which I said: "don't contribute to it" meaning don't add yourself to the problem. You've had ample opportunity to get things back on track and have yet to do it.

So, this is the last time I'm going to tell you to drop it. 

Yeah, I see now that bold was an unnecessary addition. Especially if the comparisons between Sony and Nintendo sales are in fact what OP intended with the thread. The reason why I thought the comparisons were off topic was due to OP saying that he didn't intend to take a dig at Nintendo and that he could've just as well written "entered top tier levels".

I apologize.

Apology accepted. :)

colafitte said:
CGI-Quality said:

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A lot of truth on what? On Sony 1st party games selling the same as Nintendo 1st party games?

I already exposed numbers as fact in this thread so everyone could see what Nintendo and Sony have done in recent years. What "personal preference" has anything to do with that?

Wich "several IP's" have surpassed 20M on home consoles like Rol said?. Are we counting handheld games now?, games that are sold at a cheaper price than home console versions and that require a cheaper console to play them?? Do we count Mobile gaming sales then here too? Because not a 3D Mario, not a Smash Bros, not a Zelda, not an Animal Crossing, not a Splatoon game have sold that much. Just Wii Sport alike games (which were heavily bundled games on the Wii), 2D Mario games and Mario Kart games. So please, we shouldn't act as if selling more than 20M is the norm with each Nintendo Ip.

Just before Switch, the best selling 3D Mario was Super Mario 64 on N64 with almost 12M sold. Best selling Zelda game was Ocarina of Time on N64 with almost 8M sold. Best Smash Bros was Super Smash Bros Melee on Wii with almost 13M sold. Best selling Animal Crossing was New Leaf on 3DS with almost 11M. And to find the last Pokemon game that sold 20M or more we have to go back to the original GB, because recent Pokemon games on DS and 3DS have been around 15-18M sold.

I see a pattern here of similar numbers....

Until Switch those were the landmark of best selling Nintendo games  in more than 20 years of Nintendo history. Those records for those games were around 10-20M sold, a number Sony wasn't even close to reach except for Gran Turismo games until PS4 came.

Nintendo is doing so great with Switch that they are even surpassing those numbers and records for those IPs, but you know what, Uncharted, The Last of Us, God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, are surpassing those records too.

What Rol did was put a little perspective into the mix. He's piggybacked off of what you're saying, but he is offering another look at it (which also happens to conflict a bit with you). I get both sides of the argument and the 'personal preference' comment wasn't meant towards anyone specific. So, again, chill out. :P



                                                                                                                                            

CGI-Quality said:

colafitte said:

A lot of truth on what? On Sony 1st party games selling the same as Nintendo 1st party games?

I already exposed numbers as fact in this thread so everyone could see what Nintendo and Sony have done in recent years. What "personal preference" has anything to do with that?

Wich "several IP's" have surpassed 20M on home consoles like Rol said?. Are we counting handheld games now?, games that are sold at a cheaper price than home console versions and that require a cheaper console to play them?? Do we count Mobile gaming sales then here too? Because not a 3D Mario, not a Smash Bros, not a Zelda, not an Animal Crossing, not a Splatoon game have sold that much. Just Wii Sport alike games (which were heavily bundled games on the Wii), 2D Mario games and Mario Kart games. So please, we shouldn't act as if selling more than 20M is the norm with each Nintendo Ip.

Just before Switch, the best selling 3D Mario was Super Mario 64 on N64 with almost 12M sold. Best selling Zelda game was Ocarina of Time on N64 with almost 8M sold. Best Smash Bros was Super Smash Bros Melee on Wii with almost 13M sold. Best selling Animal Crossing was New Leaf on 3DS with almost 11M. And to find the last Pokemon game that sold 20M or more we have to go back to the original GB, because recent Pokemon games on DS and 3DS have been around 15-18M sold.

I see a pattern here of similar numbers....

Until Switch those were the landmark of best selling Nintendo games  in more than 20 years of Nintendo history. Those records for those games were around 10-20M sold, a number Sony wasn't even close to reach except for Gran Turismo games until PS4 came.

Nintendo is doing so great with Switch that they are even surpassing those numbers and records for those IPs, but you know what, Uncharted, The Last of Us, God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, are surpassing those records too.

What Rol did was put a little perspective into the mix. He's piggybacked off of what you're saying, but he is offering another look at it (which also happens to conflict a bit with you). I get both sides of the argument and the 'personal preference' comment wasn't meant towards anyone specific. So, again, chill out. :P

ARE YOU TELLING ME I'M NOT CHILLING OUT!?!?!? I AM CALMED...... .

I was just playing my part....someone has to be the one defending this side. Rol is doing just fine on the other side. It has been a tough match!. I just added a little bit of bluntness because i know Rol likes that .