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Alara317 said:
NightDragon83 said:
Alex Jones should immediately rebrand himself and do nothing but bash white people, Christians, Republicans / conservatives, etc... he'll have a shiny new job at the NYT, fully "verified" social media accounts on all platforms without fear of being suspended, and either a Netflix / Amazon / Hulu series or a prime time slot on CNN / MSNBC within a week.

Absolutely nothing about this is correct, but if we assume that this wasn't the ranting lunacy of a madman....

...then that's up to the New York Times. That's how this shit works. I wouldn't agree with it then, but if that's what the general public believes (that hating white people is okay), then sadly that's just what the public perception will be. I'm not saying that it's right, but if someone has that opinion and a host that supports them, I will simply chose not to support that host. 

Why is this so complicated for so many of you? 

"Free speech" to a lot of the Jones crowd means the right to use someone else's platform to broadcast their prejudices while the people that own and pay for the platform have their hands tied by the government.

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Aeolus451 said:

Both the US or EU are big enough that any laws they impose on the internet will affect the world. The constitution can be amended and new laws made. I'm making an argument for freedom of speech laws to be extended to political speech on social media. The internet and social media didn't exist then but if it did, it would have been included under what's covered  with free speech especially with political speech.  The first amendment was created because we believe in freedom of speech as a principal and any laws created to protect it should be adapted to what's happening in the present.

Alot of businesses were regulated because they became integral to society. It has nothing to do with a monopoly in the way you mean that. They are important in how we communicate with everyone worldwide and recreating another social media that widely used or big is near impossible. I disagree with you on everything.

That's not really true.  The express purpose of the 1st Amendment is to limit government control and curb the possibility of oppression via legislation.  Ask a Congressional law expert.  The point was to keep the government out of civil matters.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

What you are asking for is more government control, more regulations, and a massive increase in frivolous litigation.  That's exactly counter to what the authors intended.  Thankfully, even if some of the more radical liberals supported it, conservatives never will.    



Chris Hu said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Anybody on the left who calls anybody leaning right as a bigot/Nazi/fascist are among the worst of the left. Its a big reason why democrats aren't being taken seriously by many. Its poisoning the well, you spin your opponents as the worst type of people and morons who want to be apart of cause believe it. Groups like Antifa put themselves as the moral superior by spinning all their opponents as bigots so anything they do is okay because their enemies are Nazis.

You don't need to be religious to be crazy, like the guy who shot at republican baseball game wasn't religiously motivated. Or people who've been motivated by BLM to kill police officers. Also, a lot of people on the left are religious. You've ever been around Hispanics and blacks? They're arguably just as or more religious than whites. I've seen them bitch about gays while complaining about social injustice, its kinda funny.

I didn't say you had to be religious to be crazy.  I said that if you are religious and crazy your craziness is another level of craziness.

The problem is I think people are religious motivated to do bad things aren't crazy at all. They just support a garbage ideology and are willing to take action. Islamic extremists for example...



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alex jones for all his flaws has been right about a lot of things

I never watch much Alex Jones but it seems like him and InfoWars in general like to focus on facts, but sometimes go off on a crazy conspiracy theory.

So even if they're arguably correct most often, people will use the bullshit to discredit them entirely. But that's the risk of saying wacky shit.



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Chris Hu said:
DonFerrari said:

Yep, people with white guilty are funny.

I guess these are far right http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=237217&page=1

Antifa is a fringe group and its not worse then any of the fringe groups on the right like the KKK and other hate groups.  At one point the KKK actually had substantial political power in the US especially in the deep south.  Plus they are far worse Antifa was and is.  Pretty much all the lynchings that took place in the US either was done by KKK members or was caused by KKK involvement. Also the worse case of domestic terrorism in the US the OKC bombing was done by a right winger.

The KKK isn't even relevant today and haven't been for a long time. Hence, we don't need to look to the past to make excuses for modern asshole.

Antifa is deemed a fringe group but their presence is much more significant than any other fringe group. We regularly see them in the news harassing people, assaulting people, initiating violence with opposing groups, and trying to silence anybody with right leaning views. We see a lot more Antifa than other groups, maybe they aren't so fringe anymore?

I did a little research on Timothy McVeigh, OKC bomber. He was not religious, he hated the federal government, he was a republican as most military members are and he wasn't associated with a extremist groups. I'm not even sure his motivations are clear since he didn't really associate with any groups, he was just extremely anti government.



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Mr Puggsly said:
o_O.Q said:
alex jones for all his flaws has been right about a lot of things

I never watch much Alex Jones but it seems like him and InfoWars in general like to focus on facts, but sometimes go off on a crazy conspiracy theory.

So even if they're arguably correct most often, people will use the bullshit to discredit them entirely. But that's the risk of saying wacky shit.

You are actually spot on, I followed Infowars for a time and there are times they say things that are factual and then go overboard out of the blue.

I kinda stop following them when some of the conspiracy theories went too weird for me. Sometimes it was funny but most of the times it will leave you with a blank feeling of wtf did I just hear. lol!



Censorship is not how a mature society responds to people like him. It is a sad day that speech is controlled like this, and with so little controversy. This is not the way to go.



Mr Puggsly said:
Pemalite said: 

Start your own service that competes.
Free market and all that.

 

Well at this point I think the average user of the most popular websites know they're incredibly bias and cater to popular left wing views.

People with opposing views will continue to use those websites though because they have a massive audience, essentially a monopoly. But fortunately services like Patreon allow people to support creators directly while YouTube demonetizes opposing views.

The majority of people are in the center.
I wouldn't consider Facebook to be left-wing, but then again... North America seems to be one big step farther over to the right compared to our right-wingers.

The fact is... If the far-right are unhappy with the current status-quo of Social Media, they are more than happy to start their own outlets, free market and all that.

Mr Puggsly said:

Anybody on the left who calls anybody leaning right as a bigot/Nazi/fascist are among the worst of the left.

Wrong.
If someone is a Bigot/Nazi or Fascist, then they are a Bigot/Nazi or Facist... Let's not change words/descriptors/meanings because it might offend someone.
With the "Bigot" descriptor itself though, that isn't strictly exclusive to those in the right-wing political spectrum anyway.

Mr Puggsly said:

The KKK isn't even relevant today and haven't been for a long time. Hence, we don't need to look to the past to make excuses for modern asshole.

Well. They still seem to exist and still have made "Alliances" with other hate-groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan#Current_Klan_organizations

Granted, I am far from educated on the topic as it's American stuff... Other parts of the world, far-right hate-groups have grown in prominence.

Mr Puggsly said:

Antifa is deemed a fringe group but their presence is much more significant than any other fringe group.

Antifa should always be condemned when they step outside of the law, that goes for any group or individual or organization.

But they shouldn't be condemned for protesting, free speech or peaceful demonstrations.

Chris Hu said:

The worst you have on the left is some anti vaxxers that's about it.  Also the far left never mixes their craziness with religion but on the far right it is common that the craziest members are also religious and they mix their religion with their craziness.  That is why Alex Jones is on whole other level of crazy not only is a regular nut he is also a religious nut.

Anti-Vaxxers falls under the typical conspiracy theory garbage that I group with Alex Jones and Flat Earthers.
As for religion, you do have some religious lefties, they can be a little crazy, especially the extreme greenies who will look down at you for eating meat.



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The internet is NOT a platform for "Free Speech". Can we just please get that on everyone's memo in this thread? Do you think that's possible?



Alara317 said:
DonFerrari said:

It doesn't have to do with being widespread.

It have to do with PUBLIC access. It doesn't really jump from government owned to private ownership (like people confusing it with someone entering your house or pub to break it or bad mouth you)

It's like, on the company you work there are fences and you can't enter, but very unlikely an university campus even if private will be locked out. Or hospital, lock your door and forbid people from even entering the premises and see how it work.

This just seems like the confusion made in another thread were public meant free and private meant paid.

Anyone can walk into a Wal Mart or McDonalds, but if you think they're not gonna be booted when they start yelling at customers about their conspiracy theories, then you're sadly mistaken. How is facebook any different aside from it being digital? 

If you hosted a forum and someone joined said forum and were spouting the values of the KKK, would you ban them or would you shrug and go, "Welp, free speech says I have to let them say their things!" No, you wouldn't (Unless you agreed with that racist rant or your website was a KKK website...) 

Furthermore, if I walked into your house and started shouting at your kids about how we needed to eradicate the jews, and that their unwillingness to participate in cleansing was going to have the government send hit squads after them, you'd boot me right out your front door (and if you were American, probably shoot me). 

Facebook, Apple, Youtube, and any other internet website - no matter how easily accessed by the public or widespread or easy to get an account - are not obligated to allow anyone to use their platform to get their message out. If they decide they don't agree with Alex Jones and don't want him using their platforms to spread his beliefs, then that's their choice. Nobody's free speech is being trampled on because a platform holder decided to not allow their platform to be used to spread hate speech. 

I'm honestly quite shocked that there are so few people who actually understand this. What is so hard to grasp? Freedom of speech doesn't start and stop with racist rants and doesn't protect you from the consequences of what you say. If something you said makes a company not want to associate with you, then too bad for you. Shouldn't have said it. 

I think what they fail to understand is that they can absolutely disagree with the decision that these companies has made, but that doesn´t equate the issue with free speech. The same things goes to the issue of players taking a knee in the NFL: I as a person disagrees with the decision NFL made, but left-wingers who claim that the players´ free speech was infringed are just simply wrong.