Chris Hu said:
DonFerrari said:
Sure same content PS2 and PS4 models...
I don't remember a single thread in VGC bashing FM7 for having cars that where in FM4.
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I'm pretty sure that if FM7 would be more popular on this site somebody would have complained about them bringing back cars from FM4 instead of adding new cars. Anyway sometimes people making a issues out of a non issue like the loot boxes in FM7 can result in everybody benefiting. Thanks to all the bitching about the loot boxes they added two extra car packs to the car pass at no additional cost. Its probably also they reason they included more content to the Ultimate Edition of Forza Horizon 4.
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So that is your excuse?
You make it seem like FM7 got a lot of bashing because of the FM4 models, but I haven't seem any thread of it, you also didn't, and no one else did. So did it really got a lot of bashing?
I do know that you and some others have bashed GT since GT5 because of the older models though. Not only on threads dedicated for that but even on generic threads that contained GT.
Azzanation said:
The biggest issue isnt with the game itself, The issue is for those asking for re-reviews on a game that quite fairly deserved its criticism.
The industry has been quite consistent on games launching at below standard content and asking for one game to be judged again should also count for games like No Mans Sky, Sea Of Thieves, Street Fighter 5 and Killer Instint.
The best example was FM5, a launch title X1 game that got heavily criticized for its lack of content back in 2014. FM5 still offeres a campaign, still more cars than GTS which also took longer to produce and FM5 had a major deadline with the launch of the X1.
FM5 sits on a 79 while GTS sits on a 75. Both games deserved there criticism. But if we are asking for GTS to receive re-reviews than same should be said for FM5 and all the other games i mentioned above. |
Well, start asking for a FM5 re-review if you want them.
LiquorandGunFun said:
GT is nothing compared to FH. or i would be playing GT.
the number of cars or tracks does little when the feel isnt there. |
FH have nothing to do with GT, if you preffer to race arcade by all means have your fun with FH.
LudicrousSpeed said:
DonFerrari said:
Sure same content PS2 and PS4 models...
I don't remember a single thread in VGC bashing FM7 for having cars that where in FM4.
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That’s pretty shocking because when I think of Xbox discussion, Chartz is the first forum that pops into my mind.
Also, regarding your last reply to me where you asked about paid DLC in FM5, idk, I never owned FM5 or any FM this gen exactly because of their DLC shenanigans, which I have posted on here numerous times. That was a launch title though, so if you’re caught in the content in that game, you’re not doing GTS any favors comparing it to a rushed launch title :)
And not everything has to be a system warz debate. You don’t need to try and deflect my point by mentioning a Microsoft game, I already did that for you by bringing up Halo. And whether some people enjoyed GTS at launch is irrelevant. People enjoyed Evolve and Battleborn at launch. Doesn’t mean they didn’t launch with big flaws. GTS has flaws including a big lack of content. I simply don’t think they deserve praise by fixing their own issue. Im not praising Turn10 for removing loot boxes either.
When I had DirectTV installed and their installer didn’t give me the right equipment and my television didn’t work, I also didn’t praise them for coming out to fix it. That’s what they’re supposed to do. You can disagree and heave all the praise you want at companies in these situations, I just can’t get behind that logic.
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If you have seem threads bashing FM7 for having models of FM4 please link them. Didn't say they weren't made, but that I never seem. Perhaps you and ChrisHu could find those threads. Because I'm pretty sure you and him have bashed GT5 and 6 for having PS2 models. And we wouldn't even need to go far, this thread alone contain it.
Who is talking about doing GT any favor? You said free DLC in GTS is pointless to mention because the game was bare, so since FM5 was bare where were the free DLCs? Doesn't seem like the game being bare have made free DLC like mandatory or even very common.
I don't need to try and deflect by bringing Forza? Sorry to say Forza was brought before I done anything and it was done to attack Gran Turismo, which I haven't seem you attacking LiquorandFun, Azzanation, flashfire or ChrisHu of doing console warmongering.
GT roster and game modes were made know long before launch so no one that bought it was hurt as your example with DirecTV where they didn't comply with their original sales. So very bad analogy. A better one would be MS removing Kinect after promising it would be unseparable of X1. And If I'm not wrong you didn't exactly criticized them heavily for it.
flashfire926 said:
GOWTLOZ said:
1) I'm not saying the roster is meh in total. But a lot of the vehicles in there such as trucks, jeeps and dune buggies have no place in a motorsports game. It becomes terrible when in an online hopper among tons of sports cars some random dude rides a jeep and rams everybody. Its also distracting. A lot of them belong to Forza Horizon, and have no place in FM7 but are there to bloat numbers.
2) Just because its a different gen doesn't excuse anyone from lacking content that a PS3 game had. FM7 and GT Sport both deserve some criticism for it, and GT Sport gets flak but FM7 doesn't.
3) GT Sport sounds more realistic in most cars. FM7 has lots of bloated engine sounds that might feel more loud and better but they are less realistic. Games like Assetto Corsa and GT Sport are leagues ahead of Forza 7. Mazda 787b is among few exceptions where FM 7 is better.
4) Yes way better is a stretch. GT Sport is better looking and has better physics, no way better. Way better would be something like Assetto Corsa.
5) GT 5 and GT 6 had PS2 models but the physics were way better than PS2 GT games and they were touched up and in GT 6 the standard cars looked like cars would in most other PS3 games. The premium were just way ahead of their times with something like 500k polygons. Still the breadth of content was there, and the dynamic weather and day night were also there and I liked night races, I like having options and don't notice dips in framerate and gameplay is more important to me than framerate. You may argue framerate is important for gameplay but its not as important as having varied gameplay, and even then GT 6 didn't drop below 40fps so its cool.
The tracks don't look dated, its the surroundings outside the tracks that do. I mentioned it in my point that FM4 had better graphics and sounds but GT 6 was better in every other way.
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1) They recently banned all those vehicles which people used to ram others. The things like the semi-truck and honda odyssey have been banned, fyi.
For the second bolded part, that is some straight up hypocrisy. GT5 AND GT6 are the kings of bloat, yet you praise them for it.
2) FM7 has over 700 quality car models, while GT6 has 350-400. If you think the carried over PS2 models count, then you're mistaken. If FM7 brought over a lot FM4 models, it would become a WORSE game, not a better one. Also, look at the number of Ferraris, Lambos, and Porsches in FM7, and compare them to GT6. FM7 has way more, because GT6 heavily leans towards random japanese hatchbacks more. It's also about the QUALITY of that content, too.
3) I'm not gonna stop you from thinking that, but I will say that you're mostly alone in thinking that. Just sayin'.
5) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oI3xpufYi0 You cant possibly say with a straight face that the latter model and track in the video doesnt look it's from 2006 times for a sim racer.
Premium cars were only slightly more detailed than Forza models, with the standards lagging way far behind. And 40fps is your minimum, really? drops to 40fps means the game is need of some serious optimization.
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2) Your opinion that having more options would be worse just because those options would be lesser models... yet every single game with people have worse models for NPC and filler
Framedrops may be a large problem or almost inconsequential depending on the time it happen.
flashfire926 said:
Lafiel said:
no, at the time of the interview no mtx were planed and they didn't make it into the game for ~9 month after launch
btw they are absolutely inconsequentual as you can get ~1m credits per hour by driving vs the (junk) AI, so even the most expensive car (3m) is easily attainable by just playing for fun - some might just "want it now" and those have the option of paying 1-3€/$ for a car
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No, stop trying to spin things. They straight up lied before launch. They didnt say that they will add them in eventually. They responded with a straight up "No".
I dont have an issue with the implementation of the MT's, I have the issue with the fact they lied to our faces. It makes their other promises less believable.
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Please explain to me how someone at that time not having plans to put MT on the game and saying so and then in the future that plan change is lying? Unless you have crystal ball to be sure he already was planing then you can't claim he was lying. You can at most be pissed they changed mind.
