lol it was sarcasm. Why would there be threads here about FM7? There is next to zero Xbox discussion here. He never said it was bashed here for having previous entries cars. Why would anyone here bash it? The only people who discuss Forza here are basically him and the GT guys, and GTS has less cars and previous entries were chock full of PS2 models. It wouldn't make much sense for you guys to bash it.

I never said free DLC is pointless. I said I don't praise developers for fixing core issues with their games that they ship. I even listed Halo, which got no free DLC but has had a lot of work done to make it playable and fix all the games issues. Do try to follow along better, please.

You're doing the console warz deflecting again. Enjoy the last word, there's no point in having rational discussion here.

I see Xbox threads daily in this site. And a lot of them from fans praising it. So there are discussions. And if GT fans hated it or wanted to bash they would make threads about it. So if we aren't seeming any isn't that a show that there aren't people wanting to bash FM even in this case? But here we have you and some others bashing GT.

You complain about console warz all the time, but you do your fair share against Sony and its IP whenever you can, but keep pretending to be a neutral person.

GT roster was know several months before release, tracks and focus on online as well. So not having more cars, tracks, offline mode wasn't core being broken, was a change of focus. And from what we can see in VGC besides you and a few other that have bashed GT in about every thread people weren't having major issues with the core when they bought the game. So the free DLCs were added value not fixing core issues, and more people decided to buy the game (and we can't even be sure if it was due to the DLC or not) after those improvements.

I do agree with you that is hard to have a rational discussion with you being dismissive all the time.

There was at least on thread on this site that bashed GT Sport for lack of content and features.

And none bashing FM7 for using FM4 models. Thanks for proving my point.

The threads I remember bashing GTS weren't made by people that even bought the game.

1) They recently banned all those vehicles which people used to ram others. The things like the semi-truck and honda odyssey have been banned, fyi.

For the second bolded part, that is some straight up hypocrisy. GT5 AND GT6 are the kings of bloat, yet you praise them for traight face that the latter model and track in the video doesnt look it's from 2006 times for a sim racer.

Premium cars were only slightly more detailed than Forza models, with the standards lagging way far behind. And 40fps is your minimum, really? drops to 40fps means the game is need of some serious optimization.

No, stop trying to spin things. They straight up lied before launch. They didnt say that they will add them in eventually. They responded with a straight up "No".

I dont have an issue with the implementation of the MT's, I have the issue with the fact they lied to our faces. It makes their other promises less believable.

Well, start  you have seem threads bashing FM7 for having models of FM4 please link them. Didn't say they weren't made, but game was bare, so since FM5 was bare where were the free DLCs? Doesn't seem like the game being bare have made free DLC quorandFun, Azzanation, flashfire or ChrisHu of doing console warmongering

2) Your opinion that having more options would be worse just because those options would be lesser models... yet every single game with people have worse models for NPC and filler

Framedrops may be a large problem or almost inconsequential depending on the time it happen.

Please explain to me how someone at that time not having plans to put MT on the game and saying so and then in the future that plan change is lying? Unless you have crystal ball to be sure he already was planing then you can't claim he was lying. You can at most be pissed they changed mind.

Frame drops are always consequential for racing game, where you need to have split second reactions, even on longboard straights.

2) that's a flawed analogy. The standard cars are playable, so therefore they can't be considered map compared to npcs 

Unless they come out with an Steve r saying they eye changed their mind, they are still liars.

Now imagine if I can use the excuse "I changed my mind" for every lie I have  done, and get away with it.

FM7 doesn't use FM4 models the cars that where brought back from FM4 where fully remodeled and pretty much all of them have full forzavista except for the 1958 MG MGA Twin-Cam but that one is a free unicorn car that was added later.

There was at least on thread on this site that bashed GT Sport for lack of content and features.

Frame drops are always consequential for racing game, where you need to have split second reactions, even on longboard straights.

2) that's a flawed analogy. The standard cars are playable, so therefore they can't be considered map compared to npcs 

Unless they come out with an Steve r saying they eye changed their mind, they are still liars.

Now imagine if I can use the excuse "I changed my mind" for every lie I have  done, and get away with it.