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Forums - Movies & TV - Disney fires 'Guardians of the Galaxy' director James Gunn over 'indefensible' old tweets

irstupid on 23 July 2018
mZuzek said:
irstupid said:

Who says he's changed? His apology when he got hired by Disney, and his apology now when the tweets resurfaced and he lost his job or was in danger of losing it?

When he was hired by Disney, they either saw these tweets, some of them or his earlier work and told him he needed to get out in front of it, and ALSO most likely told him to never do that shit again. So he quit tweeting. Him no longer tweeting that stuff doesn't mean he magically was now a perfect human being.  One's public image is often very much a lie.

There was that recent NY attorney general that was heralded as this champion of women and almost celebrity status. Had fake comic book superheroes made in his image and so on. Yet we then find out he was a huge woman abuser, emotionally and physically. Referring to his Sri Lanken girlfriend as brown slave and making her call him master and physically abusing her. Same with other women.

Who knows what James Gunn is like in private.

Response in bold.

And people defended Harvey Weinstein. Or they would say, I didn't know anything about any of this. He was always super great to me. Apparently the worst kept secret in Hollywood was a complete surprise and shock to those closest to Harvey.

People always come out and defend celebrities. Look at Bill Cosby. You had a ton of people that were close to him say that these are all lies and he is an amazing person. Or just look at any time someone is found to be a mass murderer. Every single neighbor, family, friend, ect is 100% completely oblivious to it. They are shocked and can't believe it. The person was always so nice and the best neighbor, ect.

If James Gunn is really a pedophile, do you really think that is something he would share with his close friends/family?



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Alara317 on 23 July 2018

The key difference between James Gunn and Roseanne Barr is that James Gun made tasteless, offensive JOKES a decade ago and has done much to fix his image, mature, and grow, whereas Roseanne Barr was saying nasty shit that she actually believed as much as just a few months ago. She made jokes, went away for a while, then came back and made those jokes in poor taste again, showing it's not just a phase in edgy humour but either something she actually believes or is something she's testing the water with.

There's no denying that pedophilia jokes are some of the worst you can make (murder, pedophilia, holocaust, stuff like that are all the worst and really shouldn't exist, period), but the difference is that one was telling jokes and the other was telling her story.

So for the few people comparing the two, there's a 10 year difference in proximity and a matter of intent.



irstupid on 23 July 2018
mZuzek said:
irstupid said:

And people defended Harvey Weinstein. Or they would say, I didn't know anything about any of this. He was always super great to me. Apparently the worst kept secret in Hollywood was a complete surprise and shock to those closest to Harvey.

People always come out and defend celebrities. Look at Bill Cosby. You had a ton of people that were close to him say that these are all lies and he is an amazing person. Or just look at any time someone is found to be a mass murderer. Every single neighbor, family, friend, ect is 100% completely oblivious to it. They are shocked and can't believe it. The person was always so nice and the best neighbor, ect.

If James Gunn is really a pedophile, do you really think that is something he would share with his close friends/family?

You already know what I think about this and what I'd reply with.

I'm out.

Yes I do.

"Some close friends and celebrities are saying he has changed and is a good person now."



EricHiggin on 23 July 2018
Alara317 said:
The key difference between James Gunn and Roseanne Barr is that James Gun made tasteless, offensive JOKES a decade ago and has done much to fix his image, mature, and grow, whereas Roseanne Barr was saying nasty shit that she actually believed as much as just a few months ago. She made jokes, went away for a while, then came back and made those jokes in poor taste again, showing it's not just a phase in edgy humour but either something she actually believes or is something she's testing the water with.

There's no denying that pedophilia jokes are some of the worst you can make (murder, pedophilia, holocaust, stuff like that are all the worst and really shouldn't exist, period), but the difference is that one was telling jokes and the other was telling her story.

So for the few people comparing the two, there's a 10 year difference in proximity and a matter of intent.

Did Roseanne really mean and believe everything she said? How do we know everything Gunn said was completely a joke? Even if by chance she did always mean it, what if over the next 10 years she learns she was wrong, completely changes and becomes as good of a person as Gunn is now, and publicly apologizes and means it? Does that make it ok? If it is ok, then does everyone agree in 10 years time they did the wrong thing by firing her and also agree she should get another chance, or is she banned from the entertainment industry forever? It's not really any different for Gunn either. Whether they meant it or not, if they didn't 'know' they were wrong at the time, but were, and they changed for the better, shouldn't they be given a second chance, or be struck down forever? Based on Disney's reasoning, Roseanne should never get hired again because of what she's said on Twitter at some point in the past, period.

What about these corporations who do background checks into your criminality? Why aren't they doing the same about your personality then if its worth firing you over down the road, especially is it's based on what you did ages ago?



Cobretti2 on 23 July 2018
Alara317 said:
The key difference between James Gunn and Roseanne Barr is that James Gun made tasteless, offensive JOKES a decade ago and has done much to fix his image, mature, and grow, whereas Roseanne Barr was saying nasty shit that she actually believed as much as just a few months ago. She made jokes, went away for a while, then came back and made those jokes in poor taste again, showing it's not just a phase in edgy humour but either something she actually believes or is something she's testing the water with.

There's no denying that pedophilia jokes are some of the worst you can make (murder, pedophilia, holocaust, stuff like that are all the worst and really shouldn't exist, period), but the difference is that one was telling jokes and the other was telling her story.

So for the few people comparing the two, there's a 10 year difference in proximity and a matter of intent.

Exactly that is the point Yes the jokes were bad, Disney knew about them, now they feel pressure so they change their mind years after hiring him.

There are plenty of racist and jew jokes involving ash trays that have been said over the last 10 years. Let's go on a witch hunt and kill everyone off now so we don't have a story likethis every 2 months.



 

 

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thismeintiel on 23 July 2018
EricHiggin said:
Alara317 said:
The key difference between James Gunn and Roseanne Barr is that James Gun made tasteless, offensive JOKES a decade ago and has done much to fix his image, mature, and grow, whereas Roseanne Barr was saying nasty shit that she actually believed as much as just a few months ago. She made jokes, went away for a while, then came back and made those jokes in poor taste again, showing it's not just a phase in edgy humour but either something she actually believes or is something she's testing the water with.

There's no denying that pedophilia jokes are some of the worst you can make (murder, pedophilia, holocaust, stuff like that are all the worst and really shouldn't exist, period), but the difference is that one was telling jokes and the other was telling her story.

So for the few people comparing the two, there's a 10 year difference in proximity and a matter of intent.

Did Roseanne really mean and believe everything she said? How do we know everything Gunn said was completely a joke? Even if by chance she did always mean it, what if over the next 10 years she learns she was wrong, completely changes and becomes as good of a person as Gunn is now, and publicly apologizes and means it? Does that make it ok? If it is ok, then does everyone agree in 10 years time they did the wrong thing by firing her and also agree she should get another chance, or is she banned from the entertainment industry forever? It's not really any different for Gunn either. Whether they meant it or not, if they didn't 'know' they were wrong at the time, but were, and they changed for the better, shouldn't they be given a second chance, or be struck down forever? Based on Disney's reasoning, Roseanne should never get hired again because of what she's said on Twitter at some point in the past, period.

What about these corporations who do background checks into your criminality? Why aren't they doing the same about your personality then if its worth firing you over down the road, especially is it's based on what you did ages ago?

I don't get this, it was a decade ago stuff, trying to defend him, either. For one, it's a lie people have jumped on. Some of these are from less than 6 years ago. That's not old. These are also the same people bashing Trump for something that supposedly happened 12 years ago. Kinda hypocritical.

Really, no matter what you think about it, this guy has a sick obsession with rape and pedophilia. And really, my question is, if he truly changed and was done with this stuff, why didn't he delete the tweets years ago? Why keep them where they could easily be gone through by anyone? Did he like revisiting them or something? It just doesn't make any sense. 



 

o_O.Q on 23 July 2018
Alara317 said:
The key difference between James Gunn and Roseanne Barr is that James Gun made tasteless, offensive JOKES a decade ago and has done much to fix his image, mature, and grow, whereas Roseanne Barr was saying nasty shit that she actually believed as much as just a few months ago. She made jokes, went away for a while, then came back and made those jokes in poor taste again, showing it's not just a phase in edgy humour but either something she actually believes or is something she's testing the water with.

There's no denying that pedophilia jokes are some of the worst you can make (murder, pedophilia, holocaust, stuff like that are all the worst and really shouldn't exist, period), but the difference is that one was telling jokes and the other was telling her story.

So for the few people comparing the two, there's a 10 year difference in proximity and a matter of intent.

 

um... are you really trying to say that a situation where someone is essentially saying they think someone else is ugly is less severe than pedo jokes? what?

shit i hear people call other people ugly all the time who gives a shit but joking about messing with kids? gtfo



Alara317 on 23 July 2018
o_O.Q said:
Alara317 said:
The key difference between James Gunn and Roseanne Barr is that James Gun made tasteless, offensive JOKES a decade ago and has done much to fix his image, mature, and grow, whereas Roseanne Barr was saying nasty shit that she actually believed as much as just a few months ago. She made jokes, went away for a while, then came back and made those jokes in poor taste again, showing it's not just a phase in edgy humour but either something she actually believes or is something she's testing the water with.

There's no denying that pedophilia jokes are some of the worst you can make (murder, pedophilia, holocaust, stuff like that are all the worst and really shouldn't exist, period), but the difference is that one was telling jokes and the other was telling her story.

So for the few people comparing the two, there's a 10 year difference in proximity and a matter of intent.

 

um... are you really trying to say that a situation where someone is essentially saying they think someone else is ugly is less severe than pedo jokes? what?

shit i hear people call other people ugly all the time who gives a shit but joking about messing with kids? gtfo

You really don't know what Roseanne said and did? 



numberwang on 23 July 2018

Someone got fired over that joke



Moren on 23 July 2018
numberwang said:

Next! 

Rick and Morty creator Dan Harmon deleted his Twitter account this weekend after a fake baby rape video featuring him resurfaced


https://www.bitchute.com/video/xnQIwtDhxKQ6/ 

https://twitter.com/danharmon

Jesus Christ Hell No!

That would be a tragedy for the ages.