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eva01beserk on 22 July 2018
KLAMarine said:
eva01beserk said:

They could be profitable. But Then whats the reason with hiding figures? Not just that, mixing it in with other products to make sure you cant even extrapolate. When  someone is hiding something, I think we can all agree that the first instinct people get is assume the worst. Wich is they are not doing to good. 

Where does Microsoft report their figures?

I mean, we are in an earnings report from MS, did you not read the OP? Thats where they report figures wich we are discussing now. I Think you mean something else wich I dont get, or you misread what I said, I say again, they hide their figures in this earning report by lumping it all together. Wich is the problem. I mean like they say, if your not guilty then you got no reason to run from the law. 



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eva01beserk on 22 July 2018
COKTOE said:
Azzanation said:

Hmm lets see.. lets say hypothetically if MS sold each X1 for only $50 and managed to sell 200mill consoles this generation, does that mean there more successful than there opposition, does that make them the best? Because they sold more consoles? Your logic means yes it does, if all you go by is hardware numbers. Its clear all sales do is start nothing but dick measuring contests that does nothing but downplay another platform because 1 sold less than the other. Instead how about we see who is actually making more profits and revenue? Sounds more professional to me than petty console numbers that does not always lead to more success. Clearly they are able to buy new studios and still want to make consoles so they must be doing alright don't you think?

Also with your logic, the PS4 has sold twice the amount of XB1s, Basing my info on below stats, it seems PS4 have 34.5m Paid subscribers, not 80m, now considering Xbox is more online heavy and they have 59m MAU across the board, Its possible to have a healthy amount of paid members with less HW sales. More consoles will help BUT its not the be all end all method. Its not impossible to have more Paid subscribers on a user base with less hardware sold than one with more hardware sold. Its the offerings on each system. Why do you think MS focus a lot on online games? Also keep in mind I am not saying Xbox have more paid member than PS. MS don't solely rely on XB1, that's just 1 product they use to promote Live.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/532431/playstation-plus-subscribers-global/

Bottom line, I think MS grew up, they thrown out the thrash talk and give the numbers that actually make a difference to a business. Good on them.

As for your last sentence, try me.

You're a dumbass. You post ideas that are profoundly stupid. You sometimes, as with this particular one, attempt to propagate these ideas throughout multiple threads. Then, if somebody responds to you with with evidence that is in opposition to your post, and is irrefutable, you unflinchingly attempt to get blood from a stone, and end up with a post full of rock dust. How can you possibly believe that console sales mean nothing? That's literally the crux of your "argument". The XBO has almost 249 million worth of physical software sales. Which is DIRECTLY tied to the number of console sold. Does that mean nothing? Does it not contribute to profit/revenue? How about every digital game sold as a result of an XBO purchase? How many XBL subscriptions are there that are DIRECTLY tied to the XBO? How many millions? Does that also amount to nothing? And those subscriptions lead to more, ongoing profit/revenue in the form of microtransactions, ect, ect. I can't believe I'm having to type out this Duplo Block, Mud and Cookies response, essentially repeating myself with slightly more detail. I guess the next step will be breaking out the sock puppets and uploading a video to youtube.

 

Moderated by ~ PwerlvlAmy

I love sock puppets, please do it. 

I bet PwerlvAmy hate to do it but she had no choice but to moderate you. Im sure he gets what you are saying and everyone else says to him, but he will just spin no matter how illogical he sounds. 



It takes genuine talent to see greatness in yourself despite your absence of genuine talent.

DonFerrari on 22 July 2018
eva01beserk said:
KLAMarine said:

Where does Microsoft report their figures?

I mean, we are in an earnings report from MS, did you not read the OP? Thats where they report figures wich we are discussing now. I Think you mean something else wich I dont get, or you misread what I said, I say again, they hide their figures in this earning report by lumping it all together. Wich is the problem. I mean like they say, if your not guilty then you got no reason to run from the law. 

Probably asking for the HW figures (not sure he wouldn't know that MS doesn't do it on their Q and Y reports for like 3 or 4 years already)



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 22 July 2018
eva01beserk said:
COKTOE said:

You're a dumbass. You post ideas that are profoundly stupid. You sometimes, as with this particular one, attempt to propagate these ideas throughout multiple threads. Then, if somebody responds to you with with evidence that is in opposition to your post, and is irrefutable, you unflinchingly attempt to get blood from a stone, and end up with a post full of rock dust. How can you possibly believe that console sales mean nothing? That's literally the crux of your "argument". The XBO has almost 249 million worth of physical software sales. Which is DIRECTLY tied to the number of console sold. Does that mean nothing? Does it not contribute to profit/revenue? How about every digital game sold as a result of an XBO purchase? How many XBL subscriptions are there that are DIRECTLY tied to the XBO? How many millions? Does that also amount to nothing? And those subscriptions lead to more, ongoing profit/revenue in the form of microtransactions, ect, ect. I can't believe I'm having to type out this Duplo Block, Mud and Cookies response, essentially repeating myself with slightly more detail. I guess the next step will be breaking out the sock puppets and uploading a video to youtube.

 

Moderated by ~ PwerlvlAmy

I love sock puppets, please do it. 

I bet PwerlvAmy hate to do it but she had no choice but to moderate you. Im sure he gets what you are saying and everyone else says to him, but he will just spin no matter how illogical he sounds. 

Yep. If he didn't put some key words and attacks it wouldn't be moderated I guess. But not the place to talk about it. And there are excelent videos with sock pupets =p



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

LudicrousSpeed on 22 July 2018
Replicant said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

As someone who joined towards the tail end of last generation, a majority of the hardcore Xbox guys left this site since then, mostly because the discussion and moderation when it came to Xbox was extremely shitty. I could say it still is in some aspects, but that's a discussion for another time. But yeah, the community today must "pay for the sins" of people who were here like a decade ago, or whatever. Same as when some stupid MS fanboy on twitter or Youtube or some podcast says something stupid, it's painted across the community here. You can see it happening in this very thread :) Hell when I joined the OP of this thread was a great poster and nonsense has driven him to only post stuff like this as an actual MS investor.

I'm going to join you in bowing out of the thread, it's taken the turn Microsoft/Xbox discussion typically takes here thanks to the typical people.

Agreed. I think the Xbox community here too often "pays for the sins" of unrelated/extreme/ignorant Xbox fans in other communities.

That last sentence though. Are you honestly saying that Azzanation isn't part of those "typical people"? C'mon dude...

He very well could be, idk. I tend to stay out of threads that do not interest me. For me to comment in a thread about something Sony related, it has to be about something that appeals to me. But I'd say 90% at minimum of Sony threads, I'm not posting there or even reading. Maybe Azz strays into those threads, I wouldn't know, I don't check. I do know that we have a steady supply of people who don't care for Xbox commenting in virtually every Xbox thread, usually just shit posting. And that's fine. If Azz is the Xbot equivalent of these people then that's something he should work on, or not I guess, people don't seem to mind.



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KingofTrolls on 22 July 2018

What is " huge " if one is hidding sales numbers?



Azzanation on 22 July 2018
Replicant said: 

 

Agreed. I think the Xbox community here too often "pays for the sins" of unrelated/extreme/ignorant Xbox fans in other communities.

That last sentence though. Are you honestly saying that Azzanation isn't part of those "typical people"? C'mon dude...

Mate I speak up when needed when it comes to these forums. I mainly game on PC.. like 90% of the time. But that has nothing to do with this thread. But if I see people downplaying something I will have my say. As for these forums, I wasn't on here much last generation so I have no idea what was going on. All I know is majority of the market brought a PS4 this gen so I am sure a lot of Xbox Fanboys jumped ship. I am talking the big picture not a few Users on this website.

COKTOE said:

You're a dumbass. You post ideas that are profoundly stupid. You sometimes, as with this particular one, attempt to propagate these ideas throughout multiple threads. Then, if somebody responds to you with with evidence that is in opposition to your post, and is irrefutable, you unflinchingly attempt to get blood from a stone, and end up with a post full of rock dust. How can you possibly believe that console sales mean nothing? That's literally the crux of your "argument". The XBO has almost 249 million worth of physical software sales. Which is DIRECTLY tied to the number of console sold. Does that mean nothing? Does it not contribute to profit/revenue? How about every digital game sold as a result of an XBO purchase? How many XBL subscriptions are there that are DIRECTLY tied to the XBO? How many millions? Does that also amount to nothing? And those subscriptions lead to more, ongoing profit/revenue in the form of microtransactions, ect, ect. I can't believe I'm having to type out this Duplo Block, Mud and Cookies response, essentially repeating myself with slightly more detail. I guess the next step will be breaking out the sock puppets and uploading a video to youtube.

 

Moderated by ~ PwerlvlAmy

Console sales does not sell subscriptions. PS4 has 80m+ Consoles sold and only 35m Subs, and I think you know when you look up 1st party titles that they don't sell anywhere near the amount of consoles sold. HW helps, I never said it didn't however HW isn't the Be all and End all in this industry. In fact HW for most part of the generation loses money. What looks better on paper, 50m Consoles sold with 30m Subs or 100m Consoles sold and 15m subs? The subs is the life blood of the company and when it comes to software sales, well lets look at Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros on the WiiU.. Nintendo didn't need 100m consoles sold to sell there games. If companies can sell a shit ton of consoles than good for them but if they manage to sell okay but strive on the subs and software than its still okay.

EDITED- Just saw this user was Moderated, Ignore my post if need be.



KLAMarine on 22 July 2018
KingofTrolls said:
What is " huge " if one is hidding sales numbers?

Which is more important? Money coming in or hardware going out?



DonFerrari on 23 July 2018
Azzanation said:
Replicant said: 

Agreed. I think the Xbox community here too often "pays for the sins" of unrelated/extreme/ignorant Xbox fans in other communities.

That last sentence though. Are you honestly saying that Azzanation isn't part of those "typical people"? C'mon dude...

Mate I speak up when needed when it comes to these forums. I mainly game on PC.. like 90% of the time. But that has nothing to do with this thread. But if I see people downplaying something I will have my say. As for these forums, I wasn't on here much last generation so I have no idea what was going on. All I know is majority of the market brought a PS4 this gen so I am sure a lot of Xbox Fanboys jumped ship. I am talking the big picture not a few Users on this website.

COKTOE said:

You're a dumbass. You post ideas that are profoundly stupid. You sometimes, as with this particular one, attempt to propagate these ideas throughout multiple threads. Then, if somebody responds to you with with evidence that is in opposition to your post, and is irrefutable, you unflinchingly attempt to get blood from a stone, and end up with a post full of rock dust. How can you possibly believe that console sales mean nothing? That's literally the crux of your "argument". The XBO has almost 249 million worth of physical software sales. Which is DIRECTLY tied to the number of console sold. Does that mean nothing? Does it not contribute to profit/revenue? How about every digital game sold as a result of an XBO purchase? How many XBL subscriptions are there that are DIRECTLY tied to the XBO? How many millions? Does that also amount to nothing? And those subscriptions lead to more, ongoing profit/revenue in the form of microtransactions, ect, ect. I can't believe I'm having to type out this Duplo Block, Mud and Cookies response, essentially repeating myself with slightly more detail. I guess the next step will be breaking out the sock puppets and uploading a video to youtube.

 

Moderated by ~ PwerlvlAmy

Console sales does not sell subscriptions. PS4 has 80m+ Consoles sold and only 35m Subs, and I think you know when you look up 1st party titles that they don't sell anywhere near the amount of consoles sold. HW helps, I never said it didn't however HW isn't the Be all and End all in this industry. In fact HW for most part of the generation loses money. What looks better on paper, 50m Consoles sold with 30m Subs or 100m Consoles sold and 15m subs? The subs is the life blood of the company and when it comes to software sales, well lets look at Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros on the WiiU.. Nintendo didn't need 100m consoles sold to sell there games. If companies can sell a shit ton of consoles than good for them but if they manage to sell okay but strive on the subs and software than its still okay.

EDITED- Just saw this user was Moderated, Ignore my post if need be.

PS4 sold 80M and have 35M of PSN+, much much much more PSN accounts or subs if you want to call.

The number of Subs and MAU MS reports include Silver accounts, Switch Minecraft, PC Silver and Gold, etc... so hardly a point for you to try and drive.

When I see almost half of PS4 userbase pay for the subs only to play multiplayer I'm very sad. In case you don't know PS3 had less than 10% (I believe even less than 3%) of it's userbase under PSN+ for the "free games" and discounts. Just putting MP under the paywall made it cross 50%. Also in case you don't know this have been a very stable metric, from 10M PS4 sold up to 80M the PSN+ have been 50% attach ratio, so the HW have drove the subs.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Replicant on 23 July 2018
kowenicki said:
KingofTrolls said:
What is " huge " if one is hidding sales numbers?

Huge is $110bn turnover and $35bn income coupled with a market cap of around $830bn.  

Not hard to understand.

Or maybe it is... 

This thread is about financial results and therefore demands a level of maturity to discuss properly.  Hard to find on this forum for the last few years, hence the lack of serious discussion now around the topics the site was originally based upon.

I see where you're coming from. This community has far too much downplaying and gloating in general.

With that said, you can't be surprised that people aren't discussing things they haven't got a clue about. We got a few stock holders on the site but of those even fewer are fully educated on financials.

 

Besides, this site is clearly focussed on gaming related content and your OPs about Microsoft's earnings rarely have substantial and explanatory gaming related content. Don't be surprised when people are interested in more substantial gaming related numbers and are questioning the few given. That actually IS on topic discussion. If you want fewer questions you could start by including a source/link in the OP.

I understand that you're a Microsoft stock holder yourself but that shouldn't hinder you from helping to dig up more detailed numbers on the gaming division (that would result in less speculation as well). If the reason why that's difficult is due to Microsoft not providing additional numbers, it's only natural to question why they aren't (after all this is a forum). Microsoft just presented a phenomenal earnings report but considering they tend to lump their hugely profitable (~95%) Android royalties together with their gaming division, of course people speculate about the underlying numbers.

I understand that it's more fun to talk about the positive aspects of a company (especially for a stock holder) and now that Microsoft's gaming division isn't as dominant as it was a few years ago, it's more fun to focus on the overall company.

Last edited by Replicant - on 23 July 2018