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Ellie or vaccine?

Ellie 39 41.05%
 
Vaccine 56 58.95%
 
Total:95

Having not played the game, I would say vaccine obviously. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. And could you imagine the crushing, crippling guilt she would live with knowing that Joel chose to save her instead of countless others, that's not even a life worth living that you would be giving her. 

Reminds me of the final decision in Life is Strange, what kind of person would choose to watch a whole town of people, people which you've spent the whole game getting to know (and many of which were genuinely good people like Joyce, Warren, and Kate), get destroyed by a hurricane, just to save one person? Especially when that one person is Chloe, who is just a total mess of a person that would probably get herself killed some other way later on.

Last edited by shikamaru317 - on 04 July 2018

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shikamaru317 said:

Having not played the game, I would say vaccine obviously. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. And could you imagine the guilt she would live with knowing that Joel chose to save her instead of countless others, that's not even a life worth living that you would be giving her. 

Reminds me of the final decision in Life is Strange, what kind of person would choose to watch a whole town of people, people which you've spent the whole game getting to know, just to save one person? Especially when that one person is Chloe, who is just a total mess of a person that would probably get herself killed some other way later on.

Awesome, awesome game. It made me shed real tears when I sacrificed Chloe but it was definitely the right choice. Never really realized how similar the ending of that game was to the ending of this one. The decision of losing one person whom you loved to save others. I think Chloe had some say in that ending but I still think the same logic applies here.

 

Joel should have done his job. There was no decision for him to make. He grew too attached over the course of their year and made it personal. Worst delivery boy, ever. 



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GribbleGrunger said:
Spike0503 said:

Gosh, I find your attitude incredibly sanctimonious and annoying:

"I'm answering according to the narrative thus my opinion is better than yours".

Give me a freaking break. I can't even believe we agree that Ellie was the better choice. I don't really care about what the narrative for the game is. The OP asked a question and I answered it and gave my justification for it. Did you see any part of my original comment talking about what the narrative of the game was?, no? then why the hell are you replying to me with such nonsense?.  In answering the question, I don't care about the original narrative or what you think a young person would write (weird tangent btw). I choose to save Ellie because they had 0% chance of making a vaccine considering the context of the situation. That's it.

Look, I haven't been following this thread for a few days now and if I've taken your comment out of context, I apologise. I just get a bit sick and tired of people (not just on here) forgetting the context for Joel's actions. The whole narrative built to the question of a lie and the ambiguity of 'OK'. That was the big revelation here, not whether Joel should have 'saved humanity'. 

Thank you for that. I understand becoming frustrated in a forum argument. It has happened to me more times than I care to admit. I think I understand what your views are. It's just that I interpreted the OP's question as to having you use your own views, disregarding Joel's journey/narrative and putting yourself and your views in that moment.



GribbleGrunger said:
Would you let your daughter die:

Poll: 14 YES

Nice people.

Ok,

1) She was not his daughter.  

And 2) You are forgetting that, in order to save her, he had to murder a bunch of people in cold blood.  A bunch of people that were there risking their lives trying to prevent others from enduring the same pain that HE endured. Trying to prevent other parents from having their daughters to die in their hands like happened to him.  And he murdered them all.

Is that your definition of "nice people"?



That's difficult to answer to me.
On one hand a person I love as my daughter. On the other one the possibility to help the entire humanity to survive.



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chakkra said:
GribbleGrunger said:
Would you let your daughter die:

Poll: 14 YES

Nice people.

Ok,

1) She was not his daughter.  

And 2) You are forgetting that, in order to save her, he had to murder a bunch of people in cold blood.  A bunch of people that were there risking their lives trying to prevent others from enduring the same pain that HE endured. Trying to prevent other parents from having their daughters to die in their hands like happened to him.  And he murdered them all.

Is that your definition of "nice people"?

So, because she wasn't his biological daughter it means that she was not his daughter to him at all? They spent a whole year together, surviving, taking care of each other, acting as parent and child (Joel teaching Ellie stuff and Ellie getting mad at Joel for acting all "you were just an errand"). I don't know about you, but they were pretty father and daughter to me.

Joel didn't kill a bunch of people that were trying to find a cure, he killed a bunch of people that wanted to kill his daughter, if you know what I mean.

I also don't think it is that easy to compare the value of life and sacrifice by the mere quantity of lives being traded. Each person is unique, and in their uniqueness they all have yet other layer of uniequeness by each person they know and that cares for them. The value of life is not comparable like that, unless you strip yourself from that thought, which is easy to do when you don't know and/or you don't have any real feelings towards any of the people you are rulling a judgement on, but when you know that person? When you love them? When you would die for them? To expect others to sacrifice all they have for you to keep what you have is in itself selfish, in my opinion.

Also I'm not saying that I wouldn't want for some other parent to sacrifice his child for me to keep mine alive, but I'm not going to say or act like I would be fine or cold enough to just be like "1000 children > my children, fair enough".

I don't think it is about being nice or not, maybe it is just difficult empathizing with the love a parent feels for their children without having felt it.