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melbye on 20 June 2018
CosmicSex said:
melbye said:
They are illegally entering the United States, they are criminals and therefore jailed. Enter the United States as legal immigrants and the children won't be taken away. And UN's Human Rights Council is a joke

What about the internet robs people of their humanity.  Practically, if you are  actually thinking about cost, there is no reason to take on the task of ward for all of these children.  Lol, I'm sure if they started shooting the kids people would still support it.  There are a few things people need to realize:

1. People will NEVER stop trying to make a better life for themselves and their children.  They come here because they need help.

2. People would not leave their homes with kids to cross into another freaking country without reason.  They come here because they need help.

3. If we don't actually actively attack the real cause, it will never stop.  This has more to do with Mexico than ourselves, but if we want it to stop this is what we need to do. 

When I was a young child I was homeless with my family.  We needed help.  Separating me from my mother would not have helped.  We needed real help not your indignation. 

nothing stops themfrom coming the legal way, but they know that if they did that they would be rejected



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jason1637 on 20 June 2018

I hate what the government is doing to these kids but comparing the tent cities to concentration camps is crazy.



numberwang on 20 June 2018

The same crisis in 2014: unaccompanied minors at the border go into detention facilities.

'Ticking time bomb'

'sheer number overwhelming the system'

'drug cartel trafficking' 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK92pCdBKBs



CosmicSex on 20 June 2018
melbye said:
CosmicSex said: 

nothing stops themfrom coming the legal way, but they know that if they did that they would be rejected

Umm... well then you are saying that trying to be legal would solve nothing?  



Jaicee on 20 June 2018
kopstudent89 said:
I'm just gonna ask why the OP is wrong here? Everyone seems to disgree and mock her without showing or proving why they're wrong?

Welcome to my world.

CosmicSex said:
melbye said:
They are illegally entering the United States, they are criminals and therefore jailed. Enter the United States as legal immigrants and the children won't be taken away. And UN's Human Rights Council is a joke

What about the internet robs people of their humanity.  Practically, if you are  actually thinking about cost, there is no reason to take on the task of ward for all of these children.  Lol, I'm sure if they started shooting the kids people would still support it.  There are a few things people need to realize:

1. People will NEVER stop trying to make a better life for themselves and their children.  They come here because they need help.

2. People would not leave their homes with kids to cross into another freaking country without reason.  They come here because they need help.

3. If we don't actually actively attack the real cause, it will never stop.  This has more to do with Mexico than ourselves, but if we want it to stop this is what we need to do. 

When I was a young child I was homeless with my family.  We needed help.  Separating me from my mother would not have helped.  We needed real help not your indignation. 

I thought this was an especially valuable post and wanted to formally thank you for offering it. And also wanted to highlight it again so that hopefully more people will take the time to read this unique perspective. Thank you for offering this input!



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Machiavellian on 20 June 2018
numberwang said:

The same crisis in 2014: unaccompanied minors at the border go into detention facilities.

'Ticking time bomb'

'sheer number overwhelming the system'

'drug cartel trafficking' 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK92pCdBKBs

The issue is not the same.  We are not talking about unaccompanied minors but instead the Zero policy that was enacted by Sessions and Trump.  It seems like every entrant whether seeking asylum or not is getting hit with this policy.  Its like they are saying you are guilty until proven innocent.  What we need to do is get what is actually happening and see how this zero policy is different and enforced compared to previous administrations. 

My problem with the whole thing is more on the point that it seem to be put in place for a very dumb reason.  If you read the statements from Session when he instituted this zero policy, they stated they believe it would stop people from coming to America or slow it down.  The reason this was totally stupid because it ignored human nature.  Anyone who is leaving everything behind trying to get to another country with nothing is ready to let the US take their kids, clean them, feed then, give them medical care and a chance for a better life.  If anything this would make people come to the US more than less.  Its like a bunch of rich people thought this crap up and believe it would be successful. 

My other issue is that it was put in place to leverage Trump wall.  This is the type of political stupidity you can only do when you have no moral compass.  The reason I say this is because when you make removing kids from their families a political move to fund a wall, you place all those nice Christians who are so loyal to him in a very big bind as they have to fight to make excuses for this policy.  No matter if they law was in place for years, Trump made it so that his administration actually started to enforce it.  The optics on the whole thing is very bad and it will provide more division among his supporters.  Trying to shift the blame to Democrats when they do not have majority in Congress make his administration look desperate.  At the end of the day, the Dems will probably will punt it right back at him since he decided to politicize it and now he will get full flack for it.



HomokHarcos on 20 June 2018

Should they just keep all criminals out of jail because they might have children?



collint0101 on 20 June 2018

Between the USA leaving the Paris climate accords, a trade war with China and the EU, our inhumane policies in regards to immigration, leaving the human rights council and the death of net neutrality. I really fail to understand how anyone is happy with the current state of American politics. Who even benefits from any of this? At least for something like a tax cut I can say "I don't agree with it but I can understand why someone would want this" but with a lot of the controversies surrounding trump I'm just baffled as to how anyone can say we are better off as a nation.



numberwang on 20 June 2018

Bing homepage today celebrates global UN refugee (or asylum ?) migration:

https://www.bing.com/

Backup of video:

https://gfycat.com/UglySingleHarborseal

https://az29176.vo.msecnd.net/videocontent/World_Refugee_Map_1080_HD_EN-US.mp4



Jaicee on 20 June 2018
collint0101 said:
Between the USA leaving the Paris climate accords, a trade war with China and the EU, our inhumane policies in regards to immigration, leaving the human rights council and the death of net neutrality. I really fail to understand how anyone is happy with the current state of American politics. Who even benefits from any of this? At least for something like a tax cut I can say "I don't agree with it but I can understand why someone would want this" but with a lot of the controversies surrounding trump I'm just baffled as to how anyone can say we are better off as a nation.

Exactly. And it's not even just that in my mind. We're not even 18 months into Trump's tenure and already this is the state of affairs. Where will be by the THEORETICAL end of Trump's tenure in 2025? (I say theoretical because I observe an exceptionally low level of respect for the rule of law on the part of the current administration.) Will we still be in the UN at all, for example? What legal protections will we have left? I mean I find that leaders who want to isolate their country from the rest of the world tend to have reasons for wanting to.

If we're willing to set up concentration camps for asylum seekers and their toddlers, does that program necessarily end with that group, or will it be just the first and most obvious? What other groups might be targeted by the end of another 6 and a half years? Oh say political dissidents in general, maybe?

I never buy for a second the reassurances people often offer me that "that can't happen here". It most certainly can, folks, and this growing list of isolationist policies should set off alarm bells in that connection.

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