John2290 said:
Saying you own consoles is beside the point if you're goinh to compare Xbox games with your PC.
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That is exactly the point.
I own "The most powerful console ever" - According to Microsoft's marketing.
Yet my PC consistently beats it in terms of visuals, this isn't even up for debate, I can sit them side by side and my PC beats it every time.
John2290 said:
Graphically whatever looks best to the eye is all that matters these days
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False. Now you are delving into the goal post shifting fallacy.
Graphics and Art are two separate constructs, do NOT conflate the two.
You can have an extremely flexible rendering pipeline, but poor art and the game will look rather average.
John2290 said:
(and Star citizen is not released ye).
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StarCitizen has been partially released with playable modules. TRY Checking it out sometime.
John2290 said:
Like I said, the whole package and since you've not played GoW or Detroit there's no point in talking about this.
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I didn't realize there was a prerequisite to playing all three before being allowed to have an objective perspective on something?
Is not playing 33% of your suggestions not sufficient to having a baseline perspective in your eyes?
John2290 said:
You can have higher graphics fidelity and look much worse for example Rise of the tomb raider on PC Ultra in 4k compared to uncharted 4 in 1080p
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Fidelity isn't just resolution, there is much more to it than that.
I highly suggest you read up on some of the more common rendering techniques that are being employed in PC games that tend to be missing on consoles.
John2290 said:
This was a point ten years ago, when you could see a noticeable difference by adding a few polygons, AA or upping t he resolution but as we can see from the stage with goT and TloU2 games are visually so seamless that animation and artstyle becomes the way forward,the aspects where people start to gasp.
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We aren't at realism yet. There is a massive divide to get to where we are to realism.
Not to mention we are yet to even get past uncanny valley yet.
John2290 said:
Play Horizon in 4K HDR on a pro and give yourself time to explore its world because I supect anyone who writes it off so effortlessly either just brushed over it over didn't pay proper attention, play both GoW and Detroit on a pro in 4k HDR.
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You aren't playing Horizon in 4k HDR on console. The Playstation 4 Pro lacks the appropriate horsepower to achieve such a feat.
In-fact, the only time such a thing will happen is with a Playstation 5 port or when Emulation on PC happens.
John2290 said:
...or don't because it will devalue what you see on your PC massively.
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How will it devalue anything? Did you miss the part where I openly stated that I own consoles as well?
John2290 said:
It all boils down to wheter you want the best looking series of pictures in fast succession on your screen or a masterfully blended version of those pictures that doesn't try to achieve parity with real life but instead side shifts to swerve around the uncanny and the janky but still retain a level of realism in its consistency.
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No. There is so much more to it than that.
Video games are an art form, there are parts of that which are subjective and others which are objective.
You seem to be throwing one part away in order to justify the other.
John2290 said:
Everything holds true to life in colour palette and visuals,its like they took a picture and made it move graphically but you put that game in moion even on the highest settings and it looks janky and things start to loom stiff and out of place, even if you ignore the random pop in the distance and focus on the best the game has to offer, the landscapes it all starts to look wrong. Even the detail on NPCs faces which I remember going wow, that's imlressive once you see them in motion it removes that wow and replaces it with 'ouch' and when you put GOW's environments next to something like that or detroits animations it makes it look lime a leap between hardware when in fact its just talent with a big budget and a focused list of specs.
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That is the visual representation they were going for. Good for them.
However, Kingdom Come deliverance isn't the best the PC has to offer anyway.
John2290 said:
Done with this, there's no point in arguing the graphical point unless we were in person and in front of two screens side by side comparing ps4 and PC
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...Except I can do this without you anyway? Did you miss the point where I also own consoles? ;)
John2290 said:
and even then as GoW and Detroit can't be played on PC it gets murky.
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They will be playable on PC eventually. It's a matter of when, not if.
John2290 said:
Anyone with sense who who has recently played games on both systems would, after some game time, see that those two games are leaps ahead of anything else released on any system and in places, horizon for an open world title it holds its own regardless of the path they took to achieve those visuals my eyeballs don't really have any preference for how their meals are prepared.
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Are you suggesting I have no sense?
Are you suggesting I am ignorant on technology and graphics?
Are you suggesting that those games have the best graphics despite being provided examples that contradict such a statement?
These are genuine questions.
