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Fortnite - warning DO NOT play on PS4, or you can't play on Switch (and quick start guide if you're sheltered like me, and didn't know about this game before)

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EricHiggin said:
KLAMarine said: 

And now we're stuck with Sony and all their increasingly anti-consumer policies.

Well you can ask yourself what would be worse, the launch XB1 and where it may have lead or the PS4 platform we have now? 

The PS4 platform we have now but this is a superficial thought experiment and nothing more. The fact of the matter is the PS4 platform we've had and still have is increasingly anti-consumer and regularly associated with some negative maneuvers in the industry.

EricHiggin said:

KLAMarine said:

Not if one comes out ahead of the other and feels arrogant enough as a result.

That's something none of us can control unless we all get together and agree to buy certain consoles so all 3 brands have equal sales. Who's going to give up the brand they love for the overall good of the group? That also will more than likely lead to worse hardware and worse games because why try to do the best you can as a gaming company if you know your only going to sell a certain amount of consoles and games regardless? At that point they honestly might as well all join and become one big company, and that would be the most anti consumer situation possible.

We don't have to arrange our purchasing agreements to such an extent. We can provide feedback in other ways. In this case, blast a company for when they start to shit on the consumer and have them suffer backlash to show them that their lead is not as concrete as they think. Don't let them think they can get away with abducting third-party accounts for example and Microsoft blasting them for this policy would do good.

EricHiggin said:

KLAMarine said:

I don't see Sony reversing course either. They're the big dog and now they screw the consumer over from time to time.

I need Microsoft to hit Sony where it hurts any chance it gets.

If they want to they can do nothing based on their market position, but the smart thing to do would be to allow something that's just enough to fix the specific problem without going overboard so gamers can't legitimately just say why not go all the way and allow cross play. Epic might even owe PS a favor. They did "accidentally" flip the switch and allow cross play for a short period of time, which caused PS a bunch of headaches already.

You need? Did you make a bet? When someone like MS does what they did with PUBG, then pretends like it's no big deal and bashes someone like PS for doing something similar, it just makes people who understand this think of them as hypocrites. In this situation like I mentioned before, you can even say PS isn't as bad because they didn't completely lock down Fortnite. All I can say is just hope that this whole gen has taught XB a lesson and that they come out swinging next gen, and that PS doesn't make the same mistake they did with PS3 and MS made with XB1.

Here is a clip from an article from Rolling Stone. If PS had never helped Brendan Greene he may never have ended up where he and PUBG are today.

"I was watching the H1Z1 dev stream and they kept mentioning Battle Royale and I was like, "That's great, wanna throw me some money?'" laughs Greene. "John Smedley [then president of Sony Online] followed me, and I got a DM at like 2am that said 'We should talk.' So the next day, I give him a call, and that Thursday they flew me out to San Diego to talk about adding Battle Royale as a game mode to H1Z1. I have a lot to thank them for because they didn't have to give me that chance. They could've just taken the idea and ran with it."
King of the Kill launched in January 2015, and about a year later, he received an email from Bluehole producer Changhan Kim, who wanted to work with Greene on an original Battle Royale IP.
"[Kim] outlined his idea for a Battle Royale game, which was something he always wanted to make, and he had a lot of the same ideas that I had for a standalone game. I had gotten offers from other people before, but they weren’t the same kind of vision that I had," says Greene. "I flew out [to South Korea], met with the team and looked at their concepts, and I was convinced that this was the right place to do this ."

https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/news/meet-playerunknown-creator-of-the-battle-royale-genre-w475728

At its core, this industry is a business and without a contract or written agreement, no one owes anyone anything.

Was it scummy for Microsoft to deny PUBG on PS4? Absolutely and it would be fair game to blast Microsoft for that maneuver. Just the same, it's completely fair game to blast Sony for hijacking people's EG accounts.

At the end of the day, what I want is for these companies to compete and blast one another and try their very best to one-up one another all the while benefiting the consumer instead of burning the consumer in the process.



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KLAMarine said:
EricHiggin said:
KLAMarine said: 

And now we're stuck with Sony and all their increasingly anti-consumer policies.

Well you can ask yourself what would be worse, the launch XB1 and where it may have lead or the PS4 platform we have now? 

The PS4 platform we have now but this is a superficial thought experiment and nothing more. The fact of the matter is the PS4 platform we've had and still have is increasingly anti-consumer and regularly associated with some negative maneuvers in the industry.

EricHiggin said:

KLAMarine said:

Not if one comes out ahead of the other and feels arrogant enough as a result.

That's something none of us can control unless we all get together and agree to buy certain consoles so all 3 brands have equal sales. Who's going to give up the brand they love for the overall good of the group? That also will more than likely lead to worse hardware and worse games because why try to do the best you can as a gaming company if you know your only going to sell a certain amount of consoles and games regardless? At that point they honestly might as well all join and become one big company, and that would be the most anti consumer situation possible.

We don't have to arrange our purchasing agreements to such an extent. We can provide feedback in other ways. In this case, blast a company for when they start to shit on the consumer and have them suffer backlash to show them that their lead is not as concrete as they think. Don't let them think they can get away with abducting third-party accounts for example and Microsoft blasting them for this policy would do good.

EricHiggin said:

KLAMarine said:

I don't see Sony reversing course either. They're the big dog and now they screw the consumer over from time to time.

I need Microsoft to hit Sony where it hurts any chance it gets.

If they want to they can do nothing based on their market position, but the smart thing to do would be to allow something that's just enough to fix the specific problem without going overboard so gamers can't legitimately just say why not go all the way and allow cross play. Epic might even owe PS a favor. They did "accidentally" flip the switch and allow cross play for a short period of time, which caused PS a bunch of headaches already.

You need? Did you make a bet? When someone like MS does what they did with PUBG, then pretends like it's no big deal and bashes someone like PS for doing something similar, it just makes people who understand this think of them as hypocrites. In this situation like I mentioned before, you can even say PS isn't as bad because they didn't completely lock down Fortnite. All I can say is just hope that this whole gen has taught XB a lesson and that they come out swinging next gen, and that PS doesn't make the same mistake they did with PS3 and MS made with XB1.

Here is a clip from an article from Rolling Stone. If PS had never helped Brendan Greene he may never have ended up where he and PUBG are today.

"I was watching the H1Z1 dev stream and they kept mentioning Battle Royale and I was like, "That's great, wanna throw me some money?'" laughs Greene. "John Smedley [then president of Sony Online] followed me, and I got a DM at like 2am that said 'We should talk.' So the next day, I give him a call, and that Thursday they flew me out to San Diego to talk about adding Battle Royale as a game mode to H1Z1. I have a lot to thank them for because they didn't have to give me that chance. They could've just taken the idea and ran with it."
King of the Kill launched in January 2015, and about a year later, he received an email from Bluehole producer Changhan Kim, who wanted to work with Greene on an original Battle Royale IP.
"[Kim] outlined his idea for a Battle Royale game, which was something he always wanted to make, and he had a lot of the same ideas that I had for a standalone game. I had gotten offers from other people before, but they weren’t the same kind of vision that I had," says Greene. "I flew out [to South Korea], met with the team and looked at their concepts, and I was convinced that this was the right place to do this ."

https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/news/meet-playerunknown-creator-of-the-battle-royale-genre-w475728

At its core, this industry is a business and without a contract or written agreement, no one owes anyone anything.

Was it scummy for Microsoft to deny PUBG on PS4? Absolutely and it would be fair game to blast Microsoft for that maneuver. Just the same, it's completely fair game to blast Sony for hijacking people's EG accounts.

At the end of the day, what I want is for these companies to compete and blast one another and try their very best to one-up one another all the while benefiting the consumer instead of burning the consumer in the process.

I was just trying to point out that PS helped in the battle royale/PUBG scenario early on and didn't try to lock it down. If they had tried to lock it down it would be somewhat anti consumer, contract or not.

Otherwise I pretty much agree with everything you said. Unfortunately the way the system as it exists now is the best we've come up with so far. It's a lot better than most as well. Hopefully it can continue to progress in a civil manner for the good of everyone. Until then though, sometimes it's just going to suck, but that dip will always at some point be balanced out by a peak. Just gotta stay as positive as possible and not get dragged down in the negative times.



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True social law, in all of us demand.
With cattle farts, we view sea rise,
Our North sinking slowly.
From far and snide, oh planet Earth, 
Our healthcare is yours free!
Science save our land, harnessing the breeze,
Oh planet Earth, smoke weed and ferment yeast.
Oh planet Earth, ell gee bee queue and tee.

All this talk about anti consumer this and pro consumer that just hides the fact that every decision these companies make are designed.to be pro company first and foremost.



pxrocks said:
In Previous generation PlayStation was begging for cross play with Xbox and Nintendo but this gen Xbox and Nintendo begging for cross play with PlayStation.its so funny but imo PlayStation doing the right thing here and they shouldn't feel pressure from some fanboys.playstation always supported cross play with PC but business wise not good to give your player base to your competition.just continue having cross play with PC,iOS,Android and everyone will be happy because 99% of players will be on that platform.

You don´t understand the real problem here. 

People make an account on their PC for Fortnite. All the items and skins they buy carry with their account. Meaning if you play on PC and you jump on XBOX you get to keep your stuff and from Xbox you can jump to the Switch and keep your stuff. Now if you log in once on your Playstation with your EPIC games account it leaves something on your account that wil block you from getting your progress on Switch and Xbox from now on. So now you´re locked on PS and PC. It´s the most disgusting thing they´ve done in a while and I dont understand how anyone can defend this. This isn´t ´pro business´ this is anti consumer. 



Mcube said:
pxrocks said:
In Previous generation PlayStation was begging for cross play with Xbox and Nintendo but this gen Xbox and Nintendo begging for cross play with PlayStation.its so funny but imo PlayStation doing the right thing here and they shouldn't feel pressure from some fanboys.playstation always supported cross play with PC but business wise not good to give your player base to your competition.just continue having cross play with PC,iOS,Android and everyone will be happy because 99% of players will be on that platform.

You don´t understand the real problem here. 

People make an account on their PC for Fortnite. All the items and skins they buy carry with their account. Meaning if you play on PC and you jump on XBOX you get to keep your stuff and from Xbox you can jump to the Switch and keep your stuff. Now if you log in once on your Playstation with your EPIC games account it leaves something on your account that wil block you from getting your progress on Switch and Xbox from now on. So now you´re locked on PS and PC. It´s the most disgusting thing they´ve done in a while and I dont understand how anyone can defend this. This isn´t ´pro business´ this is anti consumer. 

The former boss of Sony Online Entertainment before Sony sold the studio off, John Smedley, has talked about this on twitter and confirmed its 100% about money, that Sony doesn’t want people to be able to use paid content bought on other platforms on their own platform. Basically if you’re gonna pay $20 for a Fortnite skin, they want it to be on their platform and they’ll hijack your account without warning in order to keep you in their ecosystem. It’s pretty disgusting, personally I find it worse than anything the other two have ever done in gaming. But “pro business” and “anti consumer” are usually the same thing. What’s good for the bottom line of the business is rarely good for the consumer.

I don’t get how people can defend it either, but lol the thread is full of people doing it. So much whataboutism and long winded hypotheticals and skits and other stuff. Its bizarre.



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LudicrousSpeed said:
Mcube said:

You don´t understand the real problem here. 

People make an account on their PC for Fortnite. All the items and skins they buy carry with their account. Meaning if you play on PC and you jump on XBOX you get to keep your stuff and from Xbox you can jump to the Switch and keep your stuff. Now if you log in once on your Playstation with your EPIC games account it leaves something on your account that wil block you from getting your progress on Switch and Xbox from now on. So now you´re locked on PS and PC. It´s the most disgusting thing they´ve done in a while and I dont understand how anyone can defend this. This isn´t ´pro business´ this is anti consumer. 

The former boss of Sony Online Entertainment before Sony sold the studio off, John Smedley, has talked about this on twitter and confirmed its 100% about money, that Sony doesn’t want people to be able to use paid content bought on other platforms on their own platform. Basically if you’re gonna pay $20 for a Fortnite skin, they want it to be on their platform and they’ll hijack your account without warning in order to keep you in their ecosystem. It’s pretty disgusting, personally I find it worse than anything the other two have ever done in gaming. But “pro business” and “anti consumer” are usually the same thing. What’s good for the bottom line of the business is rarely good for the consumer.

I don’t get how people can defend it either, but lol the thread is full of people doing it. So much whataboutism and long winded hypotheticals and skits and other stuff. Its bizarre.

Oh man never even considered that. Just makes me want to give more props to Nintendo, Microsoft and Epic themselves for allowing this to happen. Epic also loses money with them allowing it on other platforms with one account because of the PC version then. Its just a shitty thing to do from Sony and some people are trying to blame epic for this while they have been allowing this to happen on other platforms. Still can´t understand how anyone can defend this. 



KLAMarine said:
EricHiggin said:
KLAMarine said: 

And now we're stuck with Sony and all their increasingly anti-consumer policies.

Well you can ask yourself what would be worse, the launch XB1 and where it may have lead or the PS4 platform we have now? 

The PS4 platform we have now but this is a superficial thought experiment and nothing more. The fact of the matter is the PS4 platform we've had and still have is increasingly anti-consumer and regularly associated with some negative maneuvers in the industry.

EricHiggin said:

KLAMarine said:

Not if one comes out ahead of the other and feels arrogant enough as a result.

That's something none of us can control unless we all get together and agree to buy certain consoles so all 3 brands have equal sales. Who's going to give up the brand they love for the overall good of the group? That also will more than likely lead to worse hardware and worse games because why try to do the best you can as a gaming company if you know your only going to sell a certain amount of consoles and games regardless? At that point they honestly might as well all join and become one big company, and that would be the most anti consumer situation possible.

We don't have to arrange our purchasing agreements to such an extent. We can provide feedback in other ways. In this case, blast a company for when they start to shit on the consumer and have them suffer backlash to show them that their lead is not as concrete as they think. Don't let them think they can get away with abducting third-party accounts for example and Microsoft blasting them for this policy would do good.

EricHiggin said:

KLAMarine said:

I don't see Sony reversing course either. They're the big dog and now they screw the consumer over from time to time.

I need Microsoft to hit Sony where it hurts any chance it gets.

If they want to they can do nothing based on their market position, but the smart thing to do would be to allow something that's just enough to fix the specific problem without going overboard so gamers can't legitimately just say why not go all the way and allow cross play. Epic might even owe PS a favor. They did "accidentally" flip the switch and allow cross play for a short period of time, which caused PS a bunch of headaches already.

You need? Did you make a bet? When someone like MS does what they did with PUBG, then pretends like it's no big deal and bashes someone like PS for doing something similar, it just makes people who understand this think of them as hypocrites. In this situation like I mentioned before, you can even say PS isn't as bad because they didn't completely lock down Fortnite. All I can say is just hope that this whole gen has taught XB a lesson and that they come out swinging next gen, and that PS doesn't make the same mistake they did with PS3 and MS made with XB1.

Here is a clip from an article from Rolling Stone. If PS had never helped Brendan Greene he may never have ended up where he and PUBG are today.

"I was watching the H1Z1 dev stream and they kept mentioning Battle Royale and I was like, "That's great, wanna throw me some money?'" laughs Greene. "John Smedley [then president of Sony Online] followed me, and I got a DM at like 2am that said 'We should talk.' So the next day, I give him a call, and that Thursday they flew me out to San Diego to talk about adding Battle Royale as a game mode to H1Z1. I have a lot to thank them for because they didn't have to give me that chance. They could've just taken the idea and ran with it."
King of the Kill launched in January 2015, and about a year later, he received an email from Bluehole producer Changhan Kim, who wanted to work with Greene on an original Battle Royale IP.
"[Kim] outlined his idea for a Battle Royale game, which was something he always wanted to make, and he had a lot of the same ideas that I had for a standalone game. I had gotten offers from other people before, but they weren’t the same kind of vision that I had," says Greene. "I flew out [to South Korea], met with the team and looked at their concepts, and I was convinced that this was the right place to do this ."

https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/news/meet-playerunknown-creator-of-the-battle-royale-genre-w475728

At its core, this industry is a business and without a contract or written agreement, no one owes anyone anything.

Was it scummy for Microsoft to deny PUBG on PS4? Absolutely and it would be fair game to blast Microsoft for that maneuver. Just the same, it's completely fair game to blast Sony for hijacking people's EG accounts.

At the end of the day, what I want is for these companies to compete and blast one another and try their very best to one-up one another all the while benefiting the consumer instead of burning the consumer in the process.

Microsoft paid for exclusivity for PUBG if Sony did that for Fornite fair play to them but they didn´t. This isnt even comparable to PUBG being exclusive to XBOX. 



KLAMarine said:

I don't see Sony reversing course either. They're the big dog and now they screw the consumer over from time to time.

I need Microsoft to hit Sony where it hurts any chance it gets.

Given the backlash over Fortnite, they should start funding crossplay Switch ports.

twintail said:
At the end of the day, while it sucks that Sony is ok with this policy, Epic is just as much at fault for not actually making it known beforehand that this problem would occur in their game on their servers.

What was Epic supposed to say? "Hey guys, it's possible that Fortnite might come to another console next year so don't play it on PS4 because Sony may or may not block your account/allow crossplay". Or should Sony have made it crystal clear that linking any crossplay game to PSN will lock you into their ecosystem?



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TranceformerFX said:
irstupid said:

and blacks were slaves for years. Just cause something is common place doesn't mean it is good

Did you just seriously use the slavery of Africans as an example? You do realize that slavery DID NOT start with America right? Did you know that African warlords had other African slaves HUNDREDS OF YEARS before the the slave trade was ever established in the thirteen colonies of America? God damn, people are stupid.

And you did the very thing I said to not to. You went even further back. Okay, so African countries had slaves before americans did. Does that make what the americans did no longer bad? They didn't invent slavery, they were just doing what others did in the past.



Pyro as Bill said: 
twintail said:
At the end of the day, while it sucks that Sony is ok with this policy, Epic is just as much at fault for not actually making it known beforehand that this problem would occur in their game on their servers.

What was Epic supposed to say? "Hey guys, it's possible that Fortnite might come to another console next year so don't play it on PS4 because Sony may or may not block your account/allow crossplay". Or should Sony have made it crystal clear that linking any crossplay game to PSN will lock you into their ecosystem?

Haha please. Epic developed the game. They ported it. It runs on their servers. They would know the account restriction policy being imposed. 

It's their customers. Like I said, they are as much at fault, not that they are solely so, and should have warned their constumers about their own game.