By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Smash Ultimate is not a port... and not a brand new game?

 

Would you say Smash Ultimate is...

A port 18 14.75%
 
A brand new game 74 60.66%
 
A compilation 23 18.85%
 
Something else 7 5.74%
 
Total:122
Wyrdness on 13 June 2018
Hiku said:
...

Not semantics hence why you have no response and yeah yeah the point never changed you just tripped up on all the red herrings you added and got ruffled when I didn't fall for them hence why you're still bringing it up the image is even now a symbol of your earlier fail funny you want to celebrate your fail circle jerk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL2wQv8CGTo Zero

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRWxcEsJP_k M2K (He even says it's too different to give a view on it right now)

Both these guys are relevant in both Melee and S4 as well

Edit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0r8BpON5mE Armada (says it feels similar to 4 with aggressive options calls the game Smash 5 as well like TK)

Last edited by Wyrdness - on 13 June 2018

Around the Network
quickrick on 13 June 2018
curl-6 said:
Hiku said:

I didn't play Gran Turismo 6, partially because it didn't seem like a big step up from GT5. But if anyone wanted to call it GT 5.5, not sure if I would contest it.
FIFA is definitely at version 7.3 or something, after 30 years. lol

Though I wouldn't call Smash 4.5 either. If anything, more like 4.8 (Shoutouts to Kingdom Hearts), but jokes aside I think a more specific description is in order.
Simply calling it a port is definitely misleading, in a similar manner to how saying that FF7 is episodic caused a lot of misconception. Because when they hear episodic, many thought TellTale Games. And when people hear port, they think about 

I simply don't see how Smash Ultimate is in any way less of a sequel than previous Smash entries, or other franchises like Forza, Mario Kart, Gran Turismo, COD, or Splatoon.

I mean, does a game have to have no reused content at all to be considered not a port? If that was the case, we might as well say every game from the aforementioned franchises is a port bar the original.

Different genres have different expectations. this game looks basically the same as a game that came out 4 years ago on more powerful hardware, just with more characters and tweaks to the gameplay. 



CladInShadows on 13 June 2018

It's a new game in the same way that Mortal Kombat Armageddon was a new game.



curl-6 on 13 June 2018
quickrick said:
curl-6 said:

I simply don't see how Smash Ultimate is in any way less of a sequel than previous Smash entries, or other franchises like Forza, Mario Kart, Gran Turismo, COD, or Splatoon.

I mean, does a game have to have no reused content at all to be considered not a port? If that was the case, we might as well say every game from the aforementioned franchises is a port bar the original.

Different genres have different expectations. this game looks basically the same as a game that came out 4 years ago on more powerful hardware, just with more characters and tweaks to the gameplay. 

It doesn't look basically the same though, the graphics are very obviously improved and many of the characters completely redesigned. The visual improvement over Smash 4 is in line with other Switch sequels to Wii U games like Splatoon 1 to Splatoon 2 and Mario 3D World to Odyssey.



Alara317 on 13 June 2018
MrWayne said:
Alara317 said:

Wrong. 

Why are people bending over backwards to accept that this is a sequel? What makes THIS game so much different from the difference between other fighters or sports games or even previous Smash games? IT has the same damn changes/enhancements that the other games in the series had such as tweaks to the balancing, different moves and smashes, different final smashes, new items, new stages, new characters, new game modes, new display features, AS WELL AS all the prior fighters. 

Literally the only thing that even remotely outs this as a 'remaster' is that all the old characters are coming back..but that's tossed when the characters are altered in significant ways and the fact that there's also new characters and stages an dmodes never seen in prior games. 

The mental gymnastics in this thread are so impressive we should start an olympic sport for it. 

I like your approach to maintain a healthy discussion.

Not.

Sakurai said it himself, their goal for this game is to create the ultimate Smash package and therefore they focused a lot less on completely new things.

but is it a new game? yes of course, it's neither Smash4, nor brawl, nor melee, nor 64, SSBU is all of them together.

What is this? the 90's? Are you a twelve-year-old time travelling from 1994? 

The point is that there is no healthy discussion here. It's a whole lot of people doing mental gymnastics to convince themselves that something is true when it is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, not true. The only reason people got it in their head that this is a port is because Nintendo was porting over other games from the WiiU that didn't reach the audience they could have due to poor sales (Like Captain Toad Treasure Tracker, Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, and MarioKart 8 Deluxe) and that they didn't explicitly say at it's launch that it was a brand new title. 

Due to that little mind worm eating at the brains of so many here (and around the internet in general), people are thinking more with their heart than their mind. This has become an argument about whether a game is a port without considering what constitutes a port. 

This game is NOT a port. 

There are no metrics to argue this is a port. 

There is no evidence to suggest that this is a port EXCEPT That it shares characters and some stages from prior games (Something that's been true of all the prior games in the franchise as well as pretty much every fighting game in the history of our medium). They aren't even using the same assets to make the game, because everything has been rebuilt from the ground up to make a new game. 

Cut it out. Your contrarian, 'every point has value regardless of its quality' mentality is giving power to arguments that deserve none. 



Around the Network
curl-6 on 13 June 2018

Come on guys, I know this is a subject many of us are very passionate about, but can we please keep this polite and civil?

We can disagree with each other without making personal attacks.



Mr.GameCrazy on 13 June 2018

I think I already said this before, but it's definitely an entirely new game. I honestly don't see how anyone would think it's a port.



MrWayne on 13 June 2018
Alara317 said:
MrWayne said:

I like your approach to maintain a healthy discussion.

Not.

Sakurai said it himself, their goal for this game is to create the ultimate Smash package and therefore they focused a lot less on completely new things.

but is it a new game? yes of course, it's neither Smash4, nor brawl, nor melee, nor 64, SSBU is all of them together.

What is this? the 90's? Are you a twelve-year-old time travelling from 1994? 

The point is that there is no healthy discussion here. It's a whole lot of people doing mental gymnastics to convince themselves that something is true when it is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, not true. The only reason people got it in their head that this is a port is because Nintendo was porting over other games from the WiiU that didn't reach the audience they could have due to poor sales (Like Captain Toad Treasure Tracker, Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, and MarioKart 8 Deluxe) and that they didn't explicitly say at it's launch that it was a brand new title. 

Due to that little mind worm eating at the brains of so many here (and around the internet in general), people are thinking more with their heart than their mind. This has become an argument about whether a game is a port without considering what constitutes a port. 

This game is NOT a port. 

There are no metrics to argue this is a port. 

There is no evidence to suggest that this is a port EXCEPT That it shares characters and some stages from prior games (Something that's been true of all the prior games in the franchise as well as pretty much every fighting game in the history of our medium). They aren't even using the same assets to make the game, because everything has been rebuilt from the ground up to make a new game. 

Cut it out. Your contrarian, 'every point has value regardless of its quality' mentality is giving power to arguments that deserve none. 

Mate what are you talking about? You're just rambling about people who called SSB Ultimate a port. I have never said that it's a port, in fact I've said the exact opposite but I gues you're just not very keen about reading my comments bevor quoting them.



quickrick on 13 June 2018
curl-6 said:
quickrick said:

Different genres have different expectations. this game looks basically the same as a game that came out 4 years ago on more powerful hardware, just with more characters and tweaks to the gameplay. 

It doesn't look basically the same though, the graphics are very obviously improved and many of the characters completely redesigned. The visual improvement over Smash 4 is in line with other Switch sequels to Wii U games like Splatoon 1 to Splatoon 2 and Mario 3D World to Odyssey.

mario looks completely different, then 3d world, it's obviously more technically impressive   and higher resolution. splatoon 2 got a small upgrade in resolution, and graphics, but its still a much bigger upgrade them smash, still people called splatoon a port for a long time, even though it offered way more new things then smash. smash seems like the smallest upgrade imo, sometimes the wiiu version actually looks better



curl-6 on 13 June 2018
quickrick said:
curl-6 said:

It doesn't look basically the same though, the graphics are very obviously improved and many of the characters completely redesigned. The visual improvement over Smash 4 is in line with other Switch sequels to Wii U games like Splatoon 1 to Splatoon 2 and Mario 3D World to Odyssey.

mario looks completely different, then 3d world, it's obviously more technically impressive   and higher resolution. splatoon 2 got a small upgrade in resolution, and graphics, but its still a much bigger upgrade them smash, still people called splatoon a port for a long time, even though it offered way more new things then smash. smash seems like the smallest upgrade imo, sometimes the wiiu version actually looks better

Smash Switch looks as different from Smash 4 as Splatoon 2 does from Splatoon 1, lighting and shading in particular have received a substantial upgrade: