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How Much Will Solo Make WW?

Under $700M 56 60.87%
 
$700M-$800M 18 19.57%
 
$801M-$900M 12 13.04%
 
$901M-$1B 3 3.26%
 
Over $1B 3 3.26%
 
Total:92
Azuren said:
Soundwave said:

None of the shit you think is going to happen is going to happen because you have no clue how a Hollywood studio works, sorry to break that to you, but that's reality. Kennedy is not some newbie producer, she is one of the most powerful people in Hollywood and is going nowhere. Sorry if the reality of that confounds you so, but it is what it is. 

Solo was a crappy idea from George Lucas and Lawrence Kasdan that Disney made in order to get Kasdan to work on The Force Awakens. 

None of the shit you think is going to happen because you have no clue how a Hollywood studio works, sorry to break that to you, but that's reality. When Kennedy continues to fail to produce the projected profits her overlords want, she's gone. And when she continues to blame her woes on the core fanbase she's supposed to be appealing to, she will continue to fail and eventually be replaced. Sorry if the reality of that confounds you so, but it is what it is.

Solo was a movie not directed or produced by George Lucas, so maybe you could bring up something relevant?

It was under development by George Lucas and Lawrence Kasdan prior to the Disney deal. 

http://www.slashfilm.com/george-lucas-han-solo-movie/

It was already being written. 

Disney did not really want to do this movie but they wanted Kasdan to write The Force Awakens, so they agreed to let him do the Solo movie if he agreed to work with JJ Abrams on VII. 

It's also pretty obvious looking at it why Kasdan wanted Solo to be done ... he pushed Disney to bring his son on as a screenwriter, so likely this whole thing was about getting his son's screenwriting career a huge leg up. 



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Soundwave said:
Azuren said:

None of the shit you think is going to happen because you have no clue how a Hollywood studio works, sorry to break that to you, but that's reality. When Kennedy continues to fail to produce the projected profits her overlords want, she's gone. And when she continues to blame her woes on the core fanbase she's supposed to be appealing to, she will continue to fail and eventually be replaced. Sorry if the reality of that confounds you so, but it is what it is.

Solo was a movie not directed or produced by George Lucas, so maybe you could bring up something relevant?

It was under development by George Lucas and Lawrence Kasdan prior to the Disney deal. 

http://www.slashfilm.com/george-lucas-han-solo-movie/

It was already being written. 

Disney did not really want to do this movie but they wanted Kasdan to write The Force Awakens, so they agreed to let him do the Solo movie if he agreed to work with JJ Abrams on VII. 

It's also pretty obvious looking at it why Kasdan wanted Solo to be done ... he pushed Disney to bring his son on as a screenwriter, so likely this whole thing was about getting his son's screenwriting career a huge leg up. 

Lucas had the idea originally in 2012, told Kasdan about it, and then fucked off with only bits of advice later on.

Lawrence and Jonathan Kasdan wrote the script that's in the movie. Whatever Lucas worked on previously was either heavily reworked or scrapped.

If DIsney didn't want it, they wouldn't have done it. Quit acting like Kasdan bullied a company that made over $55 billion last year.

I like how you know who actually wrote the movie, but keep bringing up Lucas. Can you be consistent? Just for once?



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Azuren said:
Soundwave said:

It was under development by George Lucas and Lawrence Kasdan prior to the Disney deal. 

http://www.slashfilm.com/george-lucas-han-solo-movie/

It was already being written. 

Disney did not really want to do this movie but they wanted Kasdan to write The Force Awakens, so they agreed to let him do the Solo movie if he agreed to work with JJ Abrams on VII. 

It's also pretty obvious looking at it why Kasdan wanted Solo to be done ... he pushed Disney to bring his son on as a screenwriter, so likely this whole thing was about getting his son's screenwriting career a huge leg up. 

Lucas had the idea originally in 2012, told Kasdan about it, and then fucked off with only bits of advice later on.

Lawrence and Jonathan Kasdan wrote the script that's in the movie. Whatever Lucas worked on previously was either heavily reworked or scrapped.

If DIsney didn't want it, they wouldn't have done it. Quit acting like Kasdan bullied a company that made over $55 billion last year.

I like how you know who actually wrote the movie, but keep bringing up Lucas. Can you be consistent? Just for once?

Lucas was never writing it, he hired Kasdan to start writing a first draft circa 2012. And that's for the best, because Kasdan is a far better writer than Lucas.

If Lucas had wrote this it would be far worse, the movie is apparently half decent, but apparnently that's not good enough for the anal retentive portion of Star Wars fans. 

It's just not an appealling concept ... and the concept is Lucas'. Not enough people want to see young Han Solo. He did Young Indiana Jones in the 80s too and that didn't work well either. The prequels already showed "seeing characters you loved when they're young!" doesn't create a dramatic story on its own. 

Disney doesn't need your advice on how to run their business, they're doing just fine. 



VGPolyglot said:
Azuren said:

And now you have SJWs arguing for speech laws in many countries, acting as thought police to get people penalized in countries where they have control (like the UK) and fired in countries where they can only show outrage (US). You have people running around, watching for people to have wrong thought like Daryle Lamont Jenkins just so they can get them fired or worse. You've got fascists running around claiming to be anti-fascist, attacking people with wrong thought and being the text-book definition of terrorist to get you to think a certain way. They're watching you, they're waiting for you to say something they don't like, and then they punish you if they catch you. All that's different here is that they've eschewed the use of government force in favor of social force, and that's only in America.

 

You obviously aren't paying much attention to what's happening around you, because the Thinkpol is here.

They have control in the UK? What reality are you living in? And I'm not sure you understand what fascism is, it's not just anyone that uses violence, or else every military would be considered fascist. Also, I'm not sure what you think should be done, do  you think that they shouldn't be allowed to criticize others? Because ironically that'd be curtailing the free speech that you'll saying that they're limiting.

Their isn't free speech in the UK. You can be arrested and fined, for anything that is considered offensive by a judge. Even if you go to hyde park, where you can say whatever you want, the police will just forcibly move you from there. 

That's reality 



Soundwave said:
Azuren said:

Lucas had the idea originally in 2012, told Kasdan about it, and then fucked off with only bits of advice later on.

Lawrence and Jonathan Kasdan wrote the script that's in the movie. Whatever Lucas worked on previously was either heavily reworked or scrapped.

If DIsney didn't want it, they wouldn't have done it. Quit acting like Kasdan bullied a company that made over $55 billion last year.

I like how you know who actually wrote the movie, but keep bringing up Lucas. Can you be consistent? Just for once?

Lucas was never writing it, he hired Kasdan to start writing a first draft circa 2012. And that's for the best, because Kasdan is a far better writer than Lucas.

If Lucas had wrote this it would be far worse, the movie is apparently half decent, but apparnently that's not good enough for the anal retentive portion of Star Wars fans. 

It's just not an appealling concept ... and the concept is Lucas'. Not enough people want to see young Han Solo. He did Young Indiana Jones in the 80s too and that didn't work well either. The prequels already showed "seeing characters you loved when they're young!" doesn't create a dramatic story on its own. 

Disney doesn't need your advice on how to run their business, they're doing just fine. 

Oh cool, so you're telling me Lucas had even less to do with it?

Most likely would have been bad, on that we agree. But at least it would have been Prequel bad and not worse.

There are literal books on this, so you can just be wrong about this one. Han Solo is up there as one of the most pivotal characters in Star Wars lore, so the idea that no one is interested in his story is patently wrong.

No, they don't need my advice. They're smart enough to see a trend by themselves, and when she continues to berate her fanbase, she'll get the boot. This isn't me saying "they should", this is a fundamental understanding as someone who has people working under them: when someone consistently performs below expectations, replace them with someone who can meet those expectations.



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Azuren said:
Soundwave said:

Lucas was never writing it, he hired Kasdan to start writing a first draft circa 2012. And that's for the best, because Kasdan is a far better writer than Lucas.

If Lucas had wrote this it would be far worse, the movie is apparently half decent, but apparnently that's not good enough for the anal retentive portion of Star Wars fans. 

It's just not an appealling concept ... and the concept is Lucas'. Not enough people want to see young Han Solo. He did Young Indiana Jones in the 80s too and that didn't work well either. The prequels already showed "seeing characters you loved when they're young!" doesn't create a dramatic story on its own. 

Disney doesn't need your advice on how to run their business, they're doing just fine. 

Oh cool, so you're telling me Lucas had even less to do with it?

Most likely would have been bad, on that we agree. But at least it would have been Prequel bad and not worse.

There are literal books on this, so you can just be wrong about this one. Han Solo is up there as one of the most pivotal characters in Star Wars lore, so the idea that no one is interested in his story is patently wrong.

No, they don't need my advice. They're smart enough to see a trend by themselves, and when she continues to berate her fanbase, she'll get the boot. This isn't me saying "they should", this is a fundamental understanding as someone who has people working under them: when someone consistently performs below expectations, replace them with someone who can meet those expectations.

Han Solo is a cool character ... but that doesn't fucking mean his childhood/teenage years is 

1.) Compelling

2.) Watching the character played by someone else other than Harrison Ford is compelling. 

It was a bad idea from the get go and it is Lucas' idea, just like Young Indiana Jones was, and that also was not a big crowd pleaser. I don't care how Han Solo meets Chewbacca, or how cute Anakin was as a kid, or that Obi-Wan had a pony tail when he was young ... all this shit is stuff Lucas thinks we're going to find wildly interesting, when in actuality it isn't. 

I don't doubt the film is decent, it's probably about Ant-Man quality, but it's also like "what's the point of this?".

Kathleen Kennedy is going to be producing Star Wars films for years to come, you're just going to have to accept that. You can bold that all you want too. 

The main thing that will likely happen now is the Obi-Wan movie and Boba Fett movie likely are going to be put on ice IMO. SW is not Marvel, we don't need a movie for every second character, they will likely have to re-evaluate these "one-off" movies much more carefully. 

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Azuren said:
Soundwave said:

Lucas has said plainly many times the Rebels are the counter-culture/hippy movement of the 1960s, the Empire is a fascist government modelled after the right wing government of Richard Nixon. 

Oh, so it was a typical underdog story? That's cool that he aligned it to those things without making insufferable characters who actually have their specific roles that they provide, as well as thought out character arcs and  surprising lack of Mary Sues (until arguably Anakin, that kid who accidentally did that one good thing).

 

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What exactly is subtle about an empire run by immaculately uniformed, old, powerful white guys, with a giant death laser at their disposal, trying to wipe out a rebel alliance of various aliens and scraggly people who speak reverently about some mystical energy that binds the universe together? 



After TLJ my only interest in Disney Star Wars is watching it crumble.



Azuren said:
Angelus said:
It's really interesting to me how aggressively a lot of people are pushing the narrative that the Star Wars fanbase is rebelling against Kennedy's direction of the franchise because she's pushing an ideology. First off, Star Wars has always pushed an ideology. Maybe you didn't notice, but George Lucas had a lot to say, and he wasn't subtle either. That aside though, to me this is really a lot simpler than that. These movies are leaving a bad taste, because;

1. They are very, very poorly written. Both in the overarching plot, and the moment to moment action.
2. They are unwilling to be creative, and chart new territory, yet simultaneously disrespect key lore elements and characters.
3. Kennedy has shown extreme disregard towards anything critical the fans have to say.

The first point on its own, fans would likely be willing to forgive. After all, they did so for the prequels to various degrees. Combined with 2, and 3 though….you're asking for trouble. Chances are, Kennedy never really liked Star Wars. She doesn't get what people gravitate to about it, so all she seems to distill it down to is the visual elements. Once you get past that surface level stuff, she doesn't have a clue, and if you sat down with her and talked to her off the record with some truth serum, I bet she'd admit it too.

I'm honestly curious in what that ideology that Lucas pushed in the OG Trilogy was.

In that interview George basically says that the original trilogy was designed to be anti-authoritarian and was influenced by the Vietnam War, specifically how America was the authoritarian state attacking the little guy, Vietnam, that the Vietnamese managed to repel using guerrilla warfare, much like how the Rebels used guerrilla warfare to defeat the Authoritarian Empire. So yeah, there was some political agenda there, but I personally don't think it was anywhere near as overt as the political agenda in TLJ.



Soundwave said:
Azuren said:

Oh cool, so you're telling me Lucas had even less to do with it?

Most likely would have been bad, on that we agree. But at least it would have been Prequel bad and not worse.

There are literal books on this, so you can just be wrong about this one. Han Solo is up there as one of the most pivotal characters in Star Wars lore, so the idea that no one is interested in his story is patently wrong.

No, they don't need my advice. They're smart enough to see a trend by themselves, and when she continues to berate her fanbase, she'll get the boot. This isn't me saying "they should", this is a fundamental understanding as someone who has people working under them: when someone consistently performs below expectations, replace them with someone who can meet those expectations.

Han Solo is a cool character ... but that doesn't fucking mean his childhood/teenage years is 

1.) Compelling

2.) Watching the character played by someone else other than Harrison Ford is compelling. 

It was a bad idea from the get go and it is Lucas' idea, just like Young Indiana Jones was, and that also was not a big crowd pleaser. I don't care how Han Solo meets Chewbacca, or how cute Anakin was as a kid, or that Obi-Wan had a pony tail when he was young ... all this shit is stuff Lucas thinks we're going to find wildly interesting, when in actuality it isn't. 

I don't doubt the film is decent, it's probably about Ant-Man quality, but it's also like "what's the point of this?".

Kathleen Kennedy is going to be producing Star Wars films for years to come, you're just going to have to accept that. You can bold that all you want too. 

The main thing that will likely happen now is the Obi-Wan movie and Boba Fett movie likely are going to be put on ice IMO. SW is not Marvel, we don't need a movie for every second character, they will likely have to re-evaluate these "one-off" movies much more carefully. 

You forget Disney's expectations. They paid a LOT of money to get Star Wars. They didn't do it to cancel movies because the audience doesn't seem to like it. They will make as much movies as they can and as much money as they can. 

 

And I agree that if at one point, they think they'll get more money with another producer, they will change. It's not about liking the current producer or not. If she doesn't meet expectations and if the BO trend is down with every new movie, they will do something to get it up again. They won't let their multi-billions investment get smaller every year to please a producer, whoever she is. Even less when Marvel shows how many billions a well-managed franchise can bring.

 

She needs to get those numbers up or she'll get fired, ideology or not.