Solo Headed To Become A Flop? Yep, It Flopped.

[Azuren]

morenoingrato said:

Azuren said:

I'll reply to both of you in the same post, pardon my laziness:

 

@Angelus Yeah, I put in three things that aren't said in the movies, though the first two are indeed front and center for TFA (and the first being even more prominent in TLJ). I never dismissed Lucas' comments, I called attention to how subtle he was in its implementation as opposed to Kennedy having SJW rhetoric lacing every inch of every new character. And for the record: I enjoy that there is diversity in the main cast. Poe being gay works as a great subversion of the effeminate gay archetype. Finn being black rightfully is never really touched upon, and instead focuses on him as a person (a deeply, wonderfully flawed person who had a wonderful character arc that is still fucking unfinished); it never mattered that he was black because there are fat-bottomed blue people with wings that have an immunity to the force. And Rey was a giant dumpster fire of Mary Sue tropes. If they'd stopped her perfection at being an expert-level scavenger (good at fixing, flying, and brawling), she would have been a great character. But nooooo, she's a master in those things and she's a force savant the likes of which Anakin couldn't even compare to. 

 

@morenoingrato Not sure how, unless you just don't follow current events. It was kind of hush when they said Poe was gay (or should be? could be? it was vague), but it was kind of a big deal when they said Lando was pan. No, Finn doesn't need to acknowledge he's black because Admiral Ackbar is a fucking fish and no one cares. I mean, Rey being female it doesn't need to be mentioned, it's kind of apparent. And there is a clear SJW agenda in Star Wars at this point: 

The movie is therefore not pushing an SJW agenda if Finn's race or Rey's gender have no bearing in the main plot. Is Rey a Mary Sue? Sure, and that is poor writing, but we can probably find dozens of protagonists in dozens of moves where that is the case as well.

I'll admit that I was not aware that "officially" those two characters are supposed to be gay/pansexual/genderfluid/whatever. But had you gone without any negative preconceptions to those movies, it is literally impossible to tell. There is not a millisecond of indication and it has no impact plot in any way whatsoever. Half the cast could be gay and it changes nothing, literally nothing. It's like when Dumbledore was gay. So what?

I do not know the circumstances behind that Tweet and it sounds like a knee-jerk reaction, but I can see it being a response to people imagining SJWs and political agendas everywhere.

Not everything has to be clearly stated, but Jonathan Kasdar has clearly stated it. And I firmly don't support anything that has a blatant Mary Sue character in it.

 

I have no problem with inclusion, but I also don't care to muddy things up with useless information just for the sake of virtue signaling. "Lando is pando". Cool, does it come up? No? Then who fucking cares? I also don't care for unrealistic collections of tokens. Like in TLJ: strong independent Mary Sue, gay ace pilot, black guy, and an asian bitch all team up to take down a white guy and his white guy friends who all work for an evil old prick. HMM.