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Firstly that's not 30K secondly of course clowns from groups like EDL, BF and such are going to be more positive towards Trump's approach those are the type of clowns that yearn to be part of his circus the rest of the UK however have some harden words for him even Tory supporters burn him on a day to day basis which is why he asked Theresa Dis'May to ban protests against him if he ever comes over.



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KrspaceT said:
Aeolus451 said:
I'm surprised that they weren't charged with hate speech or something like that.

These countries need more right leaning people. Otherwise, they'll just become some totalitarian hellhole where they'll have no liberty.

Brexit, do you not remember that? The country already has a conservative count that can lead to decisions just as  bad, if not more so, than electing Trump. 

And Europe has tougher Hate Speech Laws because, unlike America, Free Speech isn't allowed to run wild. There is an argument to the problems of arresting people for, say, denying the Holocaust or Hieling Hitler, but here's a counter argument: Free Speech in America runs wild enough it is borderline cancerous at times.

Brexit isn't conservative. I know 24 year old progressive friends that voted to leave, because they didn't want all the immigrants flooding in. They're for free healthcare, tough gun laws, public campaign financing, etc etc, one position doesn't make you conservative.



Jumpin said:

That's what inbreeding gives you,

 

Now tens of thousands in the UK are aligning themselves with this sort of mentality:

 

Keep in mind, that the UK was home to Brownshirts during the 30s as well. They're not exactly inexperienced in having tens of thousands demand the worst of another country's "culture."

Would have never guessed that was in the UK.

Edit: I realized you're not stating that picture was from the UK.

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contestgamer said:
KrspaceT said:

Brexit, do you not remember that? The country already has a conservative count that can lead to decisions just as  bad, if not more so, than electing Trump. 

And Europe has tougher Hate Speech Laws because, unlike America, Free Speech isn't allowed to run wild. There is an argument to the problems of arresting people for, say, denying the Holocaust or Hieling Hitler, but here's a counter argument: Free Speech in America runs wild enough it is borderline cancerous at times.

Brexit isn't conservative. I know 24 year old progressive friends that voted to leave, because they didn't want all the immigrants flooding in. They're for free healthcare, tough gun laws, public campaign financing, etc etc, one position doesn't make you conservative.

Fear of Immigrants tends to be conservative. Fear is a Conservative attribute. Studies have shown that. 

And just because you have friends who voted like that and being generally liberal (must have had a bad day that day), doesn't make Brexit liberal. Brexit was pushed by blue collar and mining towns while being opposed by the large City London. 

Rural push versus liberal pushback, at least in England and Wales. That is a pattern of Conservationism versus Liberalism. 



The Democratic Nintendo fan....is that a paradox? I'm fond of one of the more conservative companies in the industry, but I vote Liberally and view myself that way 90% of the time?

Why do Americans only get made fun of for this right-wing mentality? Don't you know what's happening in Italy? And Brexit too.

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KrspaceT said:
contestgamer said:

Brexit isn't conservative. I know 24 year old progressive friends that voted to leave, because they didn't want all the immigrants flooding in. They're for free healthcare, tough gun laws, public campaign financing, etc etc, one position doesn't make you conservative.

Fear of Immigrants tends to be conservative. Fear is a Conservative attribute. Studies have shown that. 

And just because you have friends who voted like that and being generally liberal (must have had a bad day that day), doesn't make Brexit liberal. Brexit was pushed by blue collar and mining towns while being opposed by the large City London. 

Rural push versus liberal pushback, at least in England and Wales. That is a pattern of Conservationism versus Liberalism. 

This changes over time, blue collar workers were the bread and butter of liberals just a few decades ago with the center of power being conservative hotspots. I'm not sure it's a fear of immigrants, it's a fear of all the byproducts of mass illegal immigration in the face of Merkels open borders. I dont think that's necessarily conservative. Yes most brexit voters were conservative, but I dont think a vote for it is inherently conservative, nether do I think that being anti open borders is inherently conservative.



Aeolus451 said:
I'm surprised that they weren't charged with hate speech or something like that.

These countries need more right leaning people. Otherwise, they'll just become some totalitarian hellhole where they'll have no liberty.

In my country, the current right wing government, who takes pride in not spending a single cent on retrieving the dead bodies of those killed during the right wing dictatorship of Franco, are the ones that have pushed laws like a Sun Tax or the nicknamed "Gag Law" that allows people to be fined up to 30K euros for doing evil things such as posting the image of a police car.

So no, more right wing isn't going to increase freedom.



KrspaceT said:
Aeolus451 said:

The UK needs more.

Neither the UK or Europe have free speech. They have a token version. Normal speech doesn't need protection because it's accepted speech by people in general or by the authorities. Offensive or dissenting  opinion needs protection from the majority or people in charge. The people in charge change therefore what's offensive or dissenting changes.

'Token Version'.

Look, I'm American, and I frankly prefer their version to ours. America has a problem with people being allowed to not only spread genuinely false information, like anti-vaccination and everything involving the conspiracy nonsense that gets Sandy Hook and other school shooting victim parent's harassed, but speech that is just disgusting. The Westboro Baptist Church, Charlottesville...

'Too Much of a Good thing' is a saying for a reason. Cancer is too many cells going about destructively. That is what American Free Speech is having a problem with, cancerous speech. 

LurkerJ said:

Indeed. No disagreement there. However, I can make fun of Jesus all day and it will be just like any other day. If I do the same to Muhammad, his psychopathic lovers will throw a tantrum and try to shut me down one way or another. 


View on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxjH5hZYTbQ

It's not like I am a fan of Lauren, but the only reason what she did is considered hate speech is because a bunch of babies cried, and that's the problem with banning hate speech, you will mostly end up banning speech that offends a loud, but not necessarily reasonable, group of people, regardless of how offensive the content of the speech objectively is. 

Those same people who were protesting her have no problems teach their kids that apostasy and being gay are punishable by death, but since those verses are called Quran and Hadith, we are asked to accept the fact that it is being taught everywhere in the UK. Indeed, some Christians are as cancerous but they're a vanishing breed in comparison, and we don't seem to care if we offend them or not, the same can not be said about Muslims proliferating all over Europe and receiving preferential treatment because they're a "minority". 

Christians are hardly any better. Try the same things here you might with ones died in the wool as much as these Muslims, and frankly both are fairly small amounts. Of course there are more Christians so the small amount is larger. 

'Proliferating'. Really? What are they to you, feral pigeons? 

CrazyGamer2017 said:

Exactly. And this is what makes Islam a very dangerous cancer on the surface of the earth, their murderous intolerance. I won't defend religion in general but this one religion is particularly intolerant. Christianity was probably the same a few centuries back but with the evolution of western society, Christianity has changed, with the exception of some parts of the world like in the southern United States where you can still find Christian nuts...

The only thing I can do is hope that with the passing of time, years, generations, they too will exit their "dark age" of religion and live out their lives without making islam the very center of their universe but that will take a lot of time and there will be much more blood spilled in the name of their ignorant beliefs. But yeah, that's humanity for you.

As for that video, it's shocking to see how freedom of speech means so little in the UK when you disagree with islam. They might be very critic of Trump and I'm not saying they are all wrong about that but this lack of freedom of speech is the opposite extreme.

Most Muslims aren't as aggressive as people paint them. You have extremists, just like Christianity. People just advertise the Muslim ones more.

Cubedramirez said:

Free Speech run wild...

Thought Police... Why Europe is a pathetic shell of what she once was. 

I'm American. Europe's a shell because the Empires have fallen and the East is having to rejoin the wider world after the iron curtain. Honestly I'd have more concerns with the Eastern Europeans than the Muslims for the future of Europe: Thanks to the Soviets they gained a fondness for radical right wing behaviors, and it is easier to spread Fascism among Europeans than Islam. 

Cubedramirez said:

Confirmation Bias much?

Writing such a statement highlights the commentators total inability of self reflection to the point I am unsure whether or not it's purposely written to incite reactions. 

I am not even a religious person and I had shake my head at that statement. 

It's hardly just him. A lot of people can easily point that out, from political commenters to Linkara on Atop the Fourth Wall in his Holy Terror review. The Bible is filled with just as much aggressive commentary as the Qu'aran, if not more. It's just not 'Politically Correct' to point out the bible is nasty. 

Care to show the latest terrorist attacks made by christian jihadists?



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Player2 said:
Aeolus451 said:
I'm surprised that they weren't charged with hate speech or something like that.

These countries need more right leaning people. Otherwise, they'll just become some totalitarian hellhole where they'll have no liberty.

In my country, the current right wing government, who takes pride in not spending a single cent on retrieving the dead bodies of those killed during the right wing dictatorship of Franco, are the ones that have pushed laws like a Sun Tax or the nicknamed "Gag Law" that allows people to be fined up to 30K euros for doing evil things such as posting the image of a police car.

So no, more right wing isn't going to increase freedom.

Well the terms left wing and right wing are often used for the worst kind of politics.

Left wing governments are trying to control our language so we don't offend people. Its a nuisance when people demand this, but its a huge problem when people can go to jail for it.

In the US, the left has turned into a social justice crusade and many of their views simply don't hold water. They've gone so far I can't even take them seriously anymore.

Anecdotally, I know a lot of people who never discussed politics or had strong views. But in recent years, disdain for the left has become more common even if you don't necessarily like right wing policies.



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Player2 said:
Aeolus451 said:
I'm surprised that they weren't charged with hate speech or something like that.

These countries need more right leaning people. Otherwise, they'll just become some totalitarian hellhole where they'll have no liberty.

In my country, the current right wing government, who takes pride in not spending a single cent on retrieving the dead bodies of those killed during the right wing dictatorship of Franco, are the ones that have pushed laws like a Sun Tax or the nicknamed "Gag Law" that allows people to be fined up to 30K euros for doing evil things such as posting the image of a police car.

So no, more right wing isn't going to increase freedom.

I was referring to american conservatives or people like them. Anyone can be called conservative if they want to preserve their nation or culture. A socialist country could be called conservative if they try to preserve it as is.