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haqqaton on 24 March 2018
Hirouakan said:
In my opinion, every single Naughty Dog game since the first Uncharted. They are well written for the most part and have superb graphics, but that's it. They're fun to play once but a fucking chore for replays due to it's heavy focus on cutscenes and dialogue. Uncharted 4 first half's pacing was a boring mess and though it picks up the pace near the end, it's not a 10/10 game by any means.

Guess i consider them as good movies to watch once in a while, but almost mediocre games overall. They have everything that makes a movie fun: Great graphics, simple but well written story, good world building and atmosphere. But the barebones and almost on-rails gameplay, which people gloss over because they're so amused by the "spectacle", is what IMO prevents them from being this masterpiece everybody seems to think it is.

I mostly agree. I think that The Last of Us is a good game but to call it a "masterpiece" is a litte too much. TLOU is the most overrated game in my opinion.



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Alara317 on 24 March 2018
The_Liquid_Laser said:
Alara317 said:

I dunno, I defend it because I do think it's a great game, and I'm replaying it and still enjoying it, but it's not the best game ever. The graphics are pretty ugly, the gameplay is super simplistic, Sephiroth is trying WAY too hard to be cool, and there are a lot of problems with the story concerning the two main characters (Cloud and Sephiroth). 

That said, the rest of the storytelling and writing is well above average. It was a game way ahead of its time in many respects, and I have to commend it for that. But like I said, it gets a lot of undue praise for simply being the first of its kind in many respects, same as Ocarina of Time.

Yeah, I can agree with that.  Both FF7 and Ocarina came out about the same time, and both are often treated as the first in the series, even though neither clearly is.  I have heard that one reason FF7 and Ocarina get so much attention is that they both came out at about the same time that the internet was becoming popular.  Since they were both popular games when people started using the internet, they are treated as the first in the series.

One thing I don't understand about Ocarina though is that it doesn't get the same level of hate against it as FF7.  I have yet to play it, so I guess I will have to try it out first.  But FF7 gets both a lot of love and a lot of hate.  Ocarina just gets a lot of love.  Not sure why that is.

And gaming was really beginning to hit the mainstream around there, so N64 and PS1 were the first consoles to become mega hits. As such, Ocarina of Time and Final Fantasy VII were both the first experiences people had with their respective franchises - two of the best franchises of all time. 

Also, two of my favourite games ever are Final Fantasy VI and The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past. These are the two SNES games in each respective franchise, and games I think are superior to the N64 and PS1 equivalents. That said, I actually do think Final Fantasy VII is a great game, but I think Ocarina of Time is simply a decent game with a lot of problems people tend to overlook. 



Alara317 on 24 March 2018
Hirouakan said:
In my opinion, every single Naughty Dog game since the first Uncharted. They are well written for the most part and have superb graphics, but that's it. They're fun to play once but a fucking chore for replays due to it's heavy focus on cutscenes and dialogue. Uncharted 4 first half's pacing was a boring mess and though it picks up the pace near the end, it's not a 10/10 game by any means.

Guess i consider them as good movies to watch once in a while, but almost mediocre games overall. They have everything that makes a movie fun: Great graphics, simple but well written story, good world building and atmosphere. But the barebones and almost on-rails gameplay, which people gloss over because they're so amused by the "spectacle", is what IMO prevents them from being this masterpiece everybody seems to think it is.

Also, Telltales games. How anyone can truly like them is beyond me. Dialogue is forced, there's more annoying characters than interesting ones. Gameplay is pretty much non existant. Story seems to be written on a "we'll think it up as we go" basis, with super contrived situations and choices that doesn't really matter. The graphics are just ugly and lazy. Animation is one of the worse i've ever seen in a game, and since watching people talking is pretty much what you'll be doing the entire game, there's no excuse for them being that bad. Just hire another animator, i've seen SFM videos better animated than these games, and they were not being paid. Then there's the crashes, constant stutters, corrupted saves, graphical and audio issues, etc. Their engine is trash, but i bet it's easy to program and they're too lazy to get out of their comfort zone to try a better engine. Even the latest version looks like shit and have the same technical issues. They're probably not good at optimizing it for different systems.

And i know they're a small studio. That's not a excuse for their laziness. There's a lot of small studios doing great things (like A4) simply because they care.

Right! How could I have forgotten about those games? Uncharted and The Last of Us are both examples of games that have outstanding production values and cinematic bombast but relatively unpleasant or simplistic gameplay! Definitely on my list, even if I don't think they're bad games. Overrated, for sure!



Hirouakan on 24 March 2018
Alara317 said:
Hirouakan said:
In my opinion, every single Naughty Dog game since the first Uncharted. They are well written for the most part and have superb graphics, but that's it. They're fun to play once but a fucking chore for replays due to it's heavy focus on cutscenes and dialogue. Uncharted 4 first half's pacing was a boring mess and though it picks up the pace near the end, it's not a 10/10 game by any means.

Guess i consider them as good movies to watch once in a while, but almost mediocre games overall. They have everything that makes a movie fun: Great graphics, simple but well written story, good world building and atmosphere. But the barebones and almost on-rails gameplay, which people gloss over because they're so amused by the "spectacle", is what IMO prevents them from being this masterpiece everybody seems to think it is.

Also, Telltales games. How anyone can truly like them is beyond me. Dialogue is forced, there's more annoying characters than interesting ones. Gameplay is pretty much non existant. Story seems to be written on a "we'll think it up as we go" basis, with super contrived situations and choices that doesn't really matter. The graphics are just ugly and lazy. Animation is one of the worse i've ever seen in a game, and since watching people talking is pretty much what you'll be doing the entire game, there's no excuse for them being that bad. Just hire another animator, i've seen SFM videos better animated than these games, and they were not being paid. Then there's the crashes, constant stutters, corrupted saves, graphical and audio issues, etc. Their engine is trash, but i bet it's easy to program and they're too lazy to get out of their comfort zone to try a better engine. Even the latest version looks like shit and have the same technical issues. They're probably not good at optimizing it for different systems.

And i know they're a small studio. That's not a excuse for their laziness. There's a lot of small studios doing great things (like A4) simply because they care.

Right! How could I have forgotten about those games? Uncharted and The Last of Us are both examples of games that have outstanding production values and cinematic bombast but relatively unpleasant or simplistic gameplay! Definitely on my list, even if I don't think they're bad games. Overrated, for sure!

Agree. Though what i said may sound like i hated them, i do think they're fun to play and worth experiencing at least once. But masterpieces they aren't by a loong stretch. I'd say they're all a solid 7.5~8



h2ohno on 24 March 2018
The_Liquid_Laser said:
Alara317 said:

I dunno, I defend it because I do think it's a great game, and I'm replaying it and still enjoying it, but it's not the best game ever. The graphics are pretty ugly, the gameplay is super simplistic, Sephiroth is trying WAY too hard to be cool, and there are a lot of problems with the story concerning the two main characters (Cloud and Sephiroth). 

That said, the rest of the storytelling and writing is well above average. It was a game way ahead of its time in many respects, and I have to commend it for that. But like I said, it gets a lot of undue praise for simply being the first of its kind in many respects, same as Ocarina of Time.

Yeah, I can agree with that.  Both FF7 and Ocarina came out about the same time, and both are often treated as the first in the series, even though neither clearly is.  I have heard that one reason FF7 and Ocarina get so much attention is that they both came out at about the same time that the internet was becoming popular.  Since they were both popular games when people started using the internet, they are treated as the first in the series.

One thing I don't understand about Ocarina though is that it doesn't get the same level of hate against it as FF7.  I have yet to play it, so I guess I will have to try it out first.  But FF7 gets both a lot of love and a lot of hate.  Ocarina just gets a lot of love.  Not sure why that is.

FF7'S primary innovation over its predecessors is its presentation, which while impressive in 1997 aged immediately and looked primitive by 1998.  In terms of gameplay it used the same active-time system used since FF4, the same kind-of open-world structure as every FF game before it, and an evolution of the esper system from FF6 in the materia system.  The only thing that was really new was the limit break system, which while neat was hardly revolutionary.  It's a great game, but looking back it was not an innovative one.  The game also receives a bit of hate for changing the setting from a more fantasy-based world like previous games to something leaning more towards science fiction, though FF6 was already starting along that trend.

Ocarina, while sharing the basic structure of A Link to the Past, featured several innovations that greatly changed how 3d games would be made, most notably the lock-on camera.  Z-targeting was a revolution in game design and fixed a flaw which had been inherent in 3d action games up to that point.  Even if someone doesn't like Ocarina, they usually still respect it for its innovation and the way it changed how videogames would be made from then on.  With FF7, the pre-rendered cutscenes and backgrounds don't engender the same sort of respect.

Another reason could be the characters.  Link is a silent player-insert, which is pretty hard to feel much of anything towards.  Cloud has a ton of dialogue and a full personality, which makes him easier to both love and to hate if you feel he doesn't work or is obnoxious.

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Errorist76 on 24 March 2018
Hirouakan said:
Alara317 said:

Right! How could I have forgotten about those games? Uncharted and The Last of Us are both examples of games that have outstanding production values and cinematic bombast but relatively unpleasant or simplistic gameplay! Definitely on my list, even if I don't think they're bad games. Overrated, for sure!

Agree. Though what i said may sound like i hated them, i do think they're fun to play and worth experiencing at least once. But masterpieces they aren't by a loong stretch. I'd say they're all a solid 7.5~8

Ridiculous. Not even worth discussing imho. The only game that doesn’t have great gameplay in both series is Uncharted 1.



Hirouakan on 24 March 2018
Errorist76 said:
Hirouakan said:

Agree. Though what i said may sound like i hated them, i do think they're fun to play and worth experiencing at least once. But masterpieces they aren't by a loong stretch. I'd say they're all a solid 7.5~8

Ridiculous. Not even worth discussing imho. The only game that doesn’t have great gameplay in both series is Uncharted 1.

So you say. I'll repeat: Don't think the gameplay is bad. It does it's job and that's it. I just disagree with the consensus that both series are a masterpiece.



Lucca on 24 March 2018
Hirouakan said:
Errorist76 said:

Ridiculous. Not even worth discussing imho. The only game that doesn’t have great gameplay in both series is Uncharted 1.

So you say. I'll repeat: Don't think the gameplay is bad. It does it's job and that's it. I just disagree with the consensus that both series are a masterpiece.

Exactly. The gameplay is good enough, but for a GAME, gameplay is the most important feature, so I wouldn't consider them masterpieces just because of the story. Same case for the Telltale games.



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think-man on 24 March 2018

It's hard for me to pick one so I'll name a few.

Mass Effect Franchise.
Zelda Franchise.
Assassins Creed Franchise.
Minecraft
Call of Duty Franchise.
Lots of Nintendo games, too many I can't name. I own tons of Nintendo games but find almost all to be overrated.
Dragon Quest Franchise.
LittleBigPlanet Franchise.
Watchdogs
I'd be here all day naming them



 

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Errorist76 on 24 March 2018
LuccaCardoso1 said:
Hirouakan said:

So you say. I'll repeat: Don't think the gameplay is bad. It does it's job and that's it. I just disagree with the consensus that both series are a masterpiece.

Exactly. The gameplay is good enough, but for a GAME, gameplay is the most important feature, so I wouldn't consider them masterpieces just because of the story. Same case for the Telltale games.

It’s hilarious to even put games like TLOU or Uncharted 2/4 in the same sentence as Telltale games, from a gameplay perspective.