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tokilamockingbrd said:
its not. Obama an his identity politics did his best to pull us apart from each other, but we survived. Now growing back together.

There are some (of all races) who make it their full time job to find something racist in everything. The media which still thinks it is the racist ara of Obama then plays that game. But people as a hole are waking up.

Can you name one piece of Obama legislation that you see as this? 

From where I'm sitting, I think you're confusing drawing attention to a legitimate issue with being racist or having such an agenda. For example - Colin Kaepernick.



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iron_megalith said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

Well not like you brought anything novel to the table, "they should've complied" is a bumper sticker, mug, and t shirt phrase these days. 

Because it's true on some instances?

But yeah let's just always assume the victim didn't do anything wrong to escalate the matter. That's always the narrative you people want to push which gave birth the a dumb meme of dindu nuffin.

Why is it that the victims are held to the standard of compliance in your eyes, but not the officers? They have protocols to follow as well, and most importantly their badge is supposed to symbolize serving and protecting not intimation and murder. 

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tokilamockingbrd said:
its not. Obama an his identity politics did his best to pull us apart from each other, but we survived. Now growing back together.

There are some (of all races) who make it their full time job to find something racist in everything. The media which still thinks it is the racist ara of Obama then plays that game. But people as a hole are waking up.

Because there were no more race problems before Obama.  Right.



SecondWar said:
tokilamockingbrd said:
its not. Obama an his identity politics did his best to pull us apart from each other, but we survived. Now growing back together.

There are some (of all races) who make it their full time job to find something racist in everything. The media which still thinks it is the racist ara of Obama then plays that game. But people as a hole are waking up.

Can you name one piece of Obama legislation that you see as this? 

From where I'm sitting, I think you're confusing drawing attention to a legitimate issue with being racist or having such an agenda. For example - Colin Kaepernick.

no legislation.

Nice clock Ahmed

If he I a son he would look like him (In regard to Travon martin).

He used his highly visible position to take divisive stances. He attacked cops and politicized every single thing to make it look as racist as possible. 



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tokilamockingbrd said:
SecondWar said:

Can you name one piece of Obama legislation that you see as this? 

From where I'm sitting, I think you're confusing drawing attention to a legitimate issue with being racist or having such an agenda. For example - Colin Kaepernick.

no legislation.

Nice clock Ahmed

If he I a son he would look like him (In regard to Travon martin).

He used his highly visible position to take divisive stances. He attacked cops and politicized every single thing to make it look as racist as possible. 

These are your examples of identity politics?  Like what.  

I guess Zuckerberg also created identity politics because he reached out to Ahmed too.  

When did he "attack" cops?  

 

Yeah, let's just pretend it's all Obama's fault.  Racism was practically gone before he came around. You can ask any black person about that and they'll agree.  



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PortisheadBiscuit said:
iron_megalith said:

Because it's true on some instances?

But yeah let's just always assume the victim didn't do anything wrong to escalate the matter. That's always the narrative you people want to push which gave birth the a dumb meme of dindu nuffin.

Why is it that the victims are held to the standard of compliance in your eyes, but not the officers? They have protocols to follow as well, and most importantly their badge is supposed to symbolize serving and protecting not intimation and murder. 

Such strong stench of False Dichotomy. The officers are expected to act on a compliance to their SOPs. Their job isn't so simple as there is a gray line that they are most of the time put up against in very tense situation. In very stressful instances they have to make a decision in a split second. Ordering people to not aggravate and comply is a way to stop a situation from getting worse and lessening the chances of anyone, including them, from make the wrong decisions.

Officers are human beings that also are prone to messing up. You make a move that is seemingly to be a threat, then they make a judgement based on what the spur of the moment demands. If they deemed it's life threatening, then it doesn't matter what you guys think at that moment.

But how do we stop this? Just comply, stop being a bitch and ultimately fucking calm down.

The best thing you can do if you deemed that you have been wrongfully apprehended is to make a case. But how are you going to make a case when you tussled with an officer leading to you being shot and killed? Then possibly people with malicious intent will use your death for their own agendas. Pretty fun world huh?

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iron_megalith said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

Why is it that the victims are held to the standard of compliance in your eyes, but not the officers? They have protocols to follow as well, and most importantly their badge is supposed to symbolize serving and protecting not intimation and murder. 

Such strong stench of False Dichotomy. The officers are expected to act on a compliance to their SOPs. Their job isn't so simple as there is a gray line that they are most of the time put up against in very tense situation. In very stressful instances they have to make a decision in a split second. Ordering people to not aggravate and comply is a way to stop a situation from getting worse and lessening the chances of anyone, including them, from make the wrong decisions.

Officers are human beings that also are prone to messing up. You make a move that is seemingly to be a threat, then they make a judgement based on what the spur of the moment demands. If they deemed it's life threatening, then it doesn't matter what you guys think at that moment.

But how do we stop this? Just comply, stop being a bitch and ultimately fucking calm down.

The best thing you can do if you deemed that you have been wrongfully apprehended is to make a case. But how are you going to make a case when you tussled with an officer leading to you being shot and killed? Then possibly people with malicious intent will use your death for their own agendas. Pretty fun world huh?

Flawed argument when you consider it isn't so black and white from the civilian's end either. What about factors such as mental health? Should an individual lose their life because an insufficiently trained cop thinks someone with schizophrenia is a threat? What about drugs and alcohol? Should someone be pumped full of lead because they cannot execute impeccable judgement while inebriated? Try telling someone who is bi-polar and having a episode of mania to "stop being a bitch and comply". 



It isn't racist to want to live around people who look, act and do the same basic things you like to do. Blacks live around other blacks and Asians live around other Asians. Well, Japanese don't live around Chinese so maybe country/culture have a lot to do with your absolute choice to live where you feel like the 'norm'. Maybe because the US is so big and so full of so many different subsets of people, that it would be only natural to stick with what you feel comfortable with. Every major city has a Greektown, Chinatown, Polishville, Germantown, and on and on. The southern cities have Little Haiti and Cubatowns that are mostly those ethnic people. I grew up in Detroit area that has a Poletown [Hamtramck] and a Mexican Village and an area of mostly Chaldeans. Jewish people moved to a different county. In the UP of Michigan there are whole towns with all Finnish and Swedes. And the West part of MI is very Dutch and German. When the mass of immigration was flowing in the early 1900s those people mostly moved to where other former countrymen were already established to make it easy to assimilate. Melting pot means not as much as it used to. And I actually have known and worked with many former Brazillians in my years. Some were black, some were latin looking and even one I remember was very Caucasian to me. Different strokes makes for different folks...



iron_megalith said:

But how do we stop this? Just comply, stop being a bitch and ultimately fucking calm down.

 

Yeah, because complying means you never get shot.  

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-cop-charged-manslaughter-shooting-autistic-man-s-unarmed-therapist-n745716

http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/will_bunch/7-seconds-thats-how-long-it-took-to-kill-a-compliant-black-man-with-a-legal-gun-20170620.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/12/08/graphic-video-shows-daniel-shaver-sobbing-and-begging-officer-for-his-life-before-2016-shooting/?utm_term=.5614ea470c11

 

Oh wait.



the-pi-guy said:
iron_megalith said:

But how do we stop this? Just comply, stop being a bitch and ultimately fucking calm down.

 

Yeah, because complying means you never get shot.  

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-cop-charged-manslaughter-shooting-autistic-man-s-unarmed-therapist-n745716

http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/will_bunch/7-seconds-thats-how-long-it-took-to-kill-a-compliant-black-man-with-a-legal-gun-20170620.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/12/08/graphic-video-shows-daniel-shaver-sobbing-and-begging-officer-for-his-life-before-2016-shooting/?utm_term=.5614ea470c11

 

Oh wait.

Gee thanks for butting in and not knowing the damn conversation. Get out.

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