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I don't think 3rd party games are entirely unimportant to Nintendo systems;  3DS would not have sold as well as it has if it did not have Monster Hunter, Yokai Watch, Dragon Quest.



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curl-6 said:

I don't think 3rd party games are entirely unimportant to Nintendo systems;  3DS would not have sold as well as it has if it did not have Monster Hunter, Yokai Watch, Dragon Quest.

That's cool, curl.

But it doesn't address the current discussion that is only about AAA multiplats. Nobody has said anything against third party exclusives and the reason why is because exclusives don't require Nintendo to bend over and turn their console into something that nobody wants to buy.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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RolStoppable said:
curl-6 said:

I don't think 3rd party games are entirely unimportant to Nintendo systems;  3DS would not have sold as well as it has if it did not have Monster Hunter, Yokai Watch, Dragon Quest.

That's cool, curl.

But it doesn't address the current discussion that is only about AAA multiplats. Nobody has said anything against third party exclusives and the reason why is because exclusives don't require Nintendo to bend over and turn their console into something that nobody wants to buy.

How does getting games like Doom, Wolfenstein II, and potentially others hurt Nintendo/the Switch? If nothing else it'll help fill in the gaps between first party releases.



curl-6 said:

How does getting games like Doom, Wolfenstein II, and potentially others hurt Nintendo/the Switch? If nothing else it'll help fill in the gaps between first party releases.

Those games don't hurt because they are brought over voluntarily. What Delio suggests is that Nintendo needs to force it and do whatever it takes to get more, including the quick launch of a Switch with more processing power or an outright Switch successor.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

A Biased Review Reloaded / Open Your Eyes / Switch Gamers Club

curl-6 said:
RolStoppable said:

That's cool, curl.

But it doesn't address the current discussion that is only about AAA multiplats. Nobody has said anything against third party exclusives and the reason why is because exclusives don't require Nintendo to bend over and turn their console into something that nobody wants to buy.

How does getting games like Doom, Wolfenstein II, and potentially others hurt Nintendo/the Switch? If nothing else it'll help fill in the gaps between first party releases.

You're making up arguments that Rol never made.

The whole discussion comes from DelioPT thinking that Switch wont be able to continue its success once PS5/XB4 release because it wont be able to handle the big AAA multiplats.

Rols argument is that they are not necessary for Switch to succeed. He never said those games arent welcome, just that they are irrelevant to whether a Nintendo system will succeed/fail.



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zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

How does getting games like Doom, Wolfenstein II, and potentially others hurt Nintendo/the Switch? If nothing else it'll help fill in the gaps between first party releases.

You're making up arguments that Rol never made.

The whole discussion comes from DelioPT thinking that Switch wont be able to continue its success once PS5/XB4 release because it wont be able to handle the big AAA multiplats.

Rols argument is that they are not necessary for Switch to succeed. He never said those games arent welcome, just that they are irrelevant to whether a Nintendo system will succeed/fail.

I didn't "make up" anything, I was simply seeking clarification, which he provided. I agree that Nintendo doesn't need AAA PS4/Xbone multiplats to succeed. 



curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:

You're making up arguments that Rol never made.

The whole discussion comes from DelioPT thinking that Switch wont be able to continue its success once PS5/XB4 release because it wont be able to handle the big AAA multiplats.

Rols argument is that they are not necessary for Switch to succeed. He never said those games arent welcome, just that they are irrelevant to whether a Nintendo system will succeed/fail.

I didn't "make up" anything, I was simply seeking clarification, which he provided. I agree that Nintendo doesn't need AAA PS4/Xbone multiplats to succeed. 

I know you werent doing it intentionally, perhaps i should have worded it differently.

 

But yeah like we said earlier, if they can successfully consolidate the 3rd party support of Wii U, 3DS & Vita than they will have great 3rd party support and so far they are on the right track to accomplish that.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

I didn't "make up" anything, I was simply seeking clarification, which he provided. I agree that Nintendo doesn't need AAA PS4/Xbone multiplats to succeed. 

I know you werent doing it intentionally, perhaps i should have worded it differently.

But yeah like we said earlier, if they can successfully consolidate the 3rd party support of Wii U, 3DS & Vita than they will have great 3rd party support and so far they are on the right track to accomplish that.

Yeah stuff like Octopath, Doom, Wolfenstein II, Valkyria Chronicles 4, and Shin Megami Tensei 5 are a good start. What they need is to grab more third party exclusives; hand out a blank cheque for Monster Hunter 5, that'd be a slam dunk.

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I'd sure hope so, I was not happy at all with how short the Wii U's support was.



zorg1000 said:
DélioPT said:


Why would we exclude Wii or handhelds when talking about successful Nintendo systems? Oh thats right, because its fits your narrative!

 

The age group breakdown you are using is just for launch month, late teens/young adults are always going be the age group that buys new tech/gadgets at launch.

 

The conclusion you came up with actually doesnt support your argument. If Switch is selling to the same group of people that own PS4/XBO than it means they are buying it because it offers something that PS4/XBO dont, so getting  AAA multiplats is not nearly as important for Switch as you make it out to be.

For 2 reasons.
First, Switch is not presented, marketed, sold/priced and even perceived as a home console - with a portability aspect to it; It's games are home consoles games (both 1st and 3rd party exclusives).
Second, Nintendo's handhelds never really had competition. The only exception to this was the DS, but DS went for a new market, which greatly impacted sales.

Actually, the data showed was collected from an online survey provided by Nintendo during the month of October (almost 8 months after it came out).
You can check it here (page 9): https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2017/171031_2e.pdf

 "If Switch is selling to the same group of people that own PS4/XBO than it means they are buying it because it offers something that PS4/XBO dont"
  Not going to argue with this. 
Nintendo has a grasp on this market like it hasn't had for years - even decades -, so, why not try and convince them that Switch can be a good alternative to PS and XB?
It doesn't have power, but it has portability and great iterations of some of it's best IPs.
As people say, Nintendo needs to strike while the iron is hot.

RolStoppable said:
DélioPT said:


I've gone over all of your points before and you didn't want to listen. I'll address your main point.

The reason why Switch sales aren't cutting into PS4 and XB1 sales is either:

1. PS4 and XB1 owners are buying Switch. They do so because they are looking for something neither the PS4 and XB1 offer. They wouldn't be buying AAA third party multiplats on Switch because they already own a console that gets superior versions.

2. People who buy Switch don't own a PS4 or XB1 yet. Since they don't own a PS4 or XB1 after the four years those systems have been on the market, it's safe to conclude that they consider the PS4 and XB1 unappealing. After all, those consoles are cheaper than Switch. If they aren't interested in PS4 and XB1, it would be because of the games that those consoles have. This means that it can be ruled out that those people are looking to play AAA third party games on Switch.

Reason 1 and 2 are not mutually exclusive, but they both lead to the same logical result: AAA third party games are not in significant demand on Switch.

Given Switch's HW numbers, i think it's safe to assume it's not the second option.
To the first, i'll say to you what i said to zorg1000:


Nintendo has a grasp on this market like it hasn't had for years - even decades -, so, why not try and convince them that Switch can be a good alternative to PS and XB?
It doesn't have power, but it has portability and great iterations of some of it's best IPs.
As people say, Nintendo needs to strike while the iron is hot.

And as i said before, gamers are more then willing to sacrífice something. And power has been one thing they have been willing to sacrífice, given that they have a reason for that.