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Chrizum said:
nanarchy said:

being slightly more stable than fiat currencies that have collapsed is hardly a selling point, that is like saying my shit stinks slightly less than my neighbours a currency needs stability to get acceptance and adoption. Laundering is still a huge issue, yes it is only semi anonymous but when combined with tumbler services and poorly regulated exchanges you can overcome the not anonymous part to launder money. new fad, have not really seen that argument, but yes agree there. Proof of work is simply a bad model, especially when some of them use far more sustainable models.

Ethereum is working on proof of stake, many believe that is going to change crypto for the better.

yep  Ethereum is one of the more promising ones, especially with the large corporations and financial institutions that have jumped onboard to back it. but they are by no means perfect either, just significantly improved over bitcoin.



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nanarchy said:
Insidb said:

Since you actually engaged and didn't rabble-rabble, here are some high-level clarifications:

 

Store of value...the most popular currency has no backing, other than "trust."

Laundering...BTC is NOT anonymous, and the ledger can be audited; that's what took down Silk Road.

New fad...BTC has been around for 9+ years

Too costly to produce...nearly all those estimates use peak potential and come out absurdly high, especially when compared to the mining and printing of other currencies.

Too volatile...it's far more stable than the most volatile fiat currencies, some of which are essentially dead now.

being slightly more stable than fiat currencies that have collapsed is hardly a selling point, that is like saying my shit stinks slightly less than my neighbours a currency needs stability to get acceptance and adoption. Laundering is still a huge issue, yes it is only semi anonymous but when combined with tumbler services and poorly regulated exchanges you can overcome the not anonymous part to launder money. new fad, have not really seen that argument, but yes agree there. Proof of work is simply a bad model, especially when some of them use far more sustainable models.

It's a huge selling point in many other nations; saying that it's not is a projectionist argument. Go tell people in Venezuela and Zimbabwe that their currency stinks, and they should just have to deal with it.

Laundering is an issue, in so far as there is any invested investigative effort: that's the case for BTC, but not all cryptos (I'm not a fan of ICOs, as a rule.).

It's only a fad, if you talk about the speculation involved. The underlying technology and usage is well beyond the experimental stages. The PoW is a huge component, as debit and credit fraud are rampant, and a PoS company had shutdown all payments yesterday.



spurgeonryan said:

Everything was up again a few hours ago, but are now down again.

Such a crazy thing.

 

Edit... 

 

Holy crap.. Up again. Just checked it half hour ago. 

Thats how it should be like in the stock market.



vivster said:
OhNoYouDont said:

Bitcoin has a scaling problem. Other coins don't. See: XRP, XLM, RaiBlocks, etc. They can do ~100,000+ transactions per second which is more than credit card companies. And they can do it in some cases for free.

But will those even grow enough if investors are turned off by bitcoin's eventual collapse? And will there be enough currency to go around for the general public? And will countries even allow an international currency that's not bound to gold or any fixed commodity and that's also not regulated by any official governing body?

Don't know why you think bitcoin will collapse. It has its own resolution to its scaling problem with lightning network.

Hopefully FairX can uncouple these altcoins from bitcoin so each can rise and fall independently but time will tell. If you're not aware, FairX is an exchange that has not yet come to market but the plan is to be able to exchange fiat directly for any altcoin and vise versa without the need to go fiat -> bitcoin (or ethereum) -> altcoin.

Good luck to any government trying to stop this.



OhNoYouDont said:
vivster said:

But will those even grow enough if investors are turned off by bitcoin's eventual collapse? And will there be enough currency to go around for the general public? And will countries even allow an international currency that's not bound to gold or any fixed commodity and that's also not regulated by any official governing body?

Don't know why you think bitcoin will collapse. It has its own resolution to its scaling problem with lightning network.

Hopefully FairX can uncouple these altcoins from bitcoin so each can rise and fall independently but time will tell. If you're not aware, FairX is an exchange that has not yet come to market but the plan is to be able to exchange fiat directly for any altcoin and vise versa without the need to go fiat -> bitcoin (or ethereum) -> altcoin.

Good luck to any government trying to stop this.

Lots of exchanges and companies already allow you to go fiat ->altcoin for many of the various altcoins. and the lightning network is not a fix, it is a bandaid on a gaping wound, it addresses scalability by introducing a slew of other problems and weakening security.



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These crashes happen all the time. Ignore the FUD, stay out of the news article and watch the $$ go up. I've made loads of money off cryptocurrency, and I plan to make more.



spurgeonryan said:
deskpro2k3 said:

No, it's not crashing. Just keep mining and hold on to it. It's the best way to fight back at those on wall street.

Have you had success with mining? What do you use?

Look up nicehash on google search. it's the largest Crypto-Mining marketplace, that's the one I use. with a i7 6700k CPU, and a GTX980Ti. I mine over on average $5 a day on bitcoin.

If you have a bunch of graphics cards laying around doing nothing, you can put them to use. IMHO, if Nvidia and AMD wants to make some extra money they should make dedicated cards just for mining. Like extra cores and stuff lol.

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nanarchy said:
OhNoYouDont said:

Don't know why you think bitcoin will collapse. It has its own resolution to its scaling problem with lightning network.

Hopefully FairX can uncouple these altcoins from bitcoin so each can rise and fall independently but time will tell. If you're not aware, FairX is an exchange that has not yet come to market but the plan is to be able to exchange fiat directly for any altcoin and vise versa without the need to go fiat -> bitcoin (or ethereum) -> altcoin.

Good luck to any government trying to stop this.

Lots of exchanges and companies already allow you to go fiat ->altcoin for many of the various altcoins. and the lightning network is not a fix, it is a bandaid on a gaping wound, it addresses scalability by introducing a slew of other problems and weakening security.

"Lots" hahaha, such as?



OhNoYouDont said:
nanarchy said:

Lots of exchanges and companies already allow you to go fiat ->altcoin for many of the various altcoins. and the lightning network is not a fix, it is a bandaid on a gaping wound, it addresses scalability by introducing a slew of other problems and weakening security.

"Lots" hahaha, such as?

Kraken, GDAX, Bitfinex, Bitstamp...



Bitcoin is always crashing when we reach elliot wave point C :P