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vivster said:
bdbdbd said:

You know you're liberal when the left hates you as much as the right does.

Germany is on the left so far. The more right wing immigrants there's coming, the more on the right the country will turn to.

How many of those blatant racists get charged in Germany? Is it that if you're certain ethnicity or religion, you can get away for doing the same thing that others can't?

Imams who preach hate are charged the same way as neonazis that preach their hate if that's what you mean.

But as an extremely left country there are of course some "injustices". A certain religion is basically untouchable while other religions also have to be treated very delicately. There are a number of touchy subjects.

In the end it comes down to the fact that Germany is an actual democracy, which means the government is actually governed by the people. It's the German people that are historically extremely left leaning, at least since WW2 and the fall of the Berlin Wall. The government isn't doing anything the majority of the people disagrees on. So the laws that are passed are accepted. I don't think tolerance in this country is perfectly balanced but what I can say for certain is that in this country we value freedom of speech. To actually get into trouble you would have to do a really stupid thing. No one will get jailed or even charged for minor disagreements, even in very sensitive topics.

Again, it's all about context and intent.

https://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2017/08/don-t-mention-war 

Two Chinese tourists are arrested for making a Hitler salute in Germany

 context and intent? obvious they wanted to start a jew hunt.  



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bdbdbd said:

I do understand that the government doesn't fully represent where the people stand politically. But I mean saying people lean left, when they actually keep voting for the right, doesn't just feel right. I do think that the immigration crisis of recent years hurt CDU's and Merkel's recent popularity. Far right and far left are mostly marginal anyway, and I'd say the far left hates Merkel for her nationalistic policies, where the far right hates her immigration policy.

I think it's really hard to say that people are on the left and try to be as far from national socialism as possible, as the NSDAP (national socialistic workers party) was a left-wing party with a racial twist (well, typical left these days).

Demolishing religions, not to protect them is a goal for the left! This is why the far left governments make religions illegal (although, the leaders make themselves godly figures).

Maybe Merkel is the face of former DDR and people with same origins (although Merkel was born in Hamburg) keep voting for her, for not to get Germany to what DDR was. I don't know. From my point of view Merkel seems to be doing the excact opposite to what DDR was.

It it one thing to make fun of politicians of a foreign country than people of your own country. Then again, it is hard to make jokes about about Islam for example when you don't know much about it, and neither does your audience.

Abolishing Religion is not a leftist policy. Just because some communist countries were anti religion doesn't make it general policy. There were other reasons for that. Left is inherently tolerant, which includes religion. Totalitarian regimes aren't exclusive to the left. Both left and right wing can have their leader cults.

A country can be far left without being communist, having a leader cult and abolishing religion. See Germany. Let US politicians look at our laws and they will actually call us communists.

How can you say Germans vote right when the majority votes clearly left? The only true right wing parties left are the AFD, FDP and the CSU as an arm of the CDU. All of them together make up barely a 3rd of the votes. And elections are one thing but the social climate is extremely left leaning, which is why Merkel gets votes of confidence time and time again. 



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eva01beserk said:
vivster said:

Imams who preach hate are charged the same way as neonazis that preach their hate if that's what you mean.

But as an extremely left country there are of course some "injustices". A certain religion is basically untouchable while other religions also have to be treated very delicately. There are a number of touchy subjects.

In the end it comes down to the fact that Germany is an actual democracy, which means the government is actually governed by the people. It's the German people that are historically extremely left leaning, at least since WW2 and the fall of the Berlin Wall. The government isn't doing anything the majority of the people disagrees on. So the laws that are passed are accepted. I don't think tolerance in this country is perfectly balanced but what I can say for certain is that in this country we value freedom of speech. To actually get into trouble you would have to do a really stupid thing. No one will get jailed or even charged for minor disagreements, even in very sensitive topics.

Again, it's all about context and intent.

https://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2017/08/don-t-mention-war 

Two Chinese tourists are arrested for making a Hitler salute in Germany

 context and intent? obvious they wanted to start a jew hunt.  

This falls exactly what I call "doing something really stupid". Nazism is an extremely touchy subject and there are actual laws against this. I don't necessarily agree with those laws but I don't think they restrict my freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is not freedom of being an asshole. Doing the Hitler salute in Germany is never anything other than provocation. So in this case the intent was provocation. That's why I don't travel to Japan to fart their Emperor in the face.

Given that they were actually charged means that they must have done it in an especially blatant and provocative manner. No one goes to jail for lifting their hand the wrong way.



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VGPolyglot said:
Seventizz said:

As a Canadian, the Liberal government and its propaganda mouthpiece otherwise known as the CBC have been an embarrassment for my country and everyone I talk to is fed up and can't relate. You're now considered a racist if you speak negatively about returning ISIS fighters/murderers and pretty soon can be jailed if you say anything negative about islam.

 

The CBC has practically apologized to this brat and insists that Canadians are evil.

Which Canada do you live in?

I'm not saying he's from Alberta....but there's a decent chance he's from Alberta.



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vivster said:
bdbdbd said:

I do understand that the government doesn't fully represent where the people stand politically. But I mean saying people lean left, when they actually keep voting for the right, doesn't just feel right. I do think that the immigration crisis of recent years hurt CDU's and Merkel's recent popularity. Far right and far left are mostly marginal anyway, and I'd say the far left hates Merkel for her nationalistic policies, where the far right hates her immigration policy.

I think it's really hard to say that people are on the left and try to be as far from national socialism as possible, as the NSDAP (national socialistic workers party) was a left-wing party with a racial twist (well, typical left these days).

Demolishing religions, not to protect them is a goal for the left! This is why the far left governments make religions illegal (although, the leaders make themselves godly figures).

Maybe Merkel is the face of former DDR and people with same origins (although Merkel was born in Hamburg) keep voting for her, for not to get Germany to what DDR was. I don't know. From my point of view Merkel seems to be doing the excact opposite to what DDR was.

It it one thing to make fun of politicians of a foreign country than people of your own country. Then again, it is hard to make jokes about about Islam for example when you don't know much about it, and neither does your audience.

Abolishing Religion is not a leftist policy. Just because some communist countries were anti religion doesn't make it general policy. There were other reasons for that. Left is inherently tolerant, which includes religion. Totalitarian regimes aren't exclusive to the left. Both left and right wing can have their leader cults.

A country can be far left without being communist, having a leader cult and abolishing religion. See Germany. Let US politicians look at our laws and they will actually call us communists.

How can you say Germans vote right when the majority votes clearly left? The only true right wing parties left are the AFD, FDP and the CSU as an arm of the CDU. All of them together make up barely a 3rd of the votes. And elections are one thing but the social climate is extremely left leaning, which is why Merkel gets votes of confidence time and time again. 

CDU, AFP and FDP seems to make roughly 55% of the votes (2017). These all are right wing parties. CDU and FDP being center-right, and AFP a little more on the right. This really isn't a bipolar issue.

Abolishing religion originates from Marx, as religion competes marxism as an ideology - also, as religion is on the right, a society on the left needs to get rid of religion anyway. Saying that a society on the left doesn't need to abolish religion, is like saying society on the left doesn't need to abolish racism, or conservatism. This is because they all are on the right.

Technically the above could hold true in an anarchistic society, but in the end this would be anarchistic right wing society, and not the left.



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Aeolus451 said:
Puppyroach said:

I know, therefore I used the sentence "mostly used by an orange president". Just because Clinton started using the term doesn't make it more valid or less connected to Trump and the way he uses it.

What "war" are they invested in? What is the basis for the assumption that media in general jumps unto false stories just because the involve Muslims? 

If you don't know the answers to those questions then you're really out of touch with politics for the last few years.

Yeah, good tactic: state something vague without backing it up with statistics or other facts and then slowly back out of the discussion. Well done. 



Seventizz said:
VGPolyglot said:

Ah, the Canada where Rebel Media is considered to be a credible source of information I see.

What's inaccurate about the video I posted?

Well, I watched the video. You know, it'd be helpful if they actually gave links to the source, along with better context.



Puppyroach said:
Aeolus451 said:

If you don't know the answers to those questions then you're really out of touch with politics for the last few years.

Yeah, good tactic: state something vague without backing it up with statistics or other facts and then slowly back out of the discussion. Well done. 

Is my name google?



Aeolus451 said:
Puppyroach said:

Yeah, good tactic: state something vague without backing it up with statistics or other facts and then slowly back out of the discussion. Well done. 

Is my name google?

I don't think you've ever told us your name, so it very well could be.