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zorg1000 said:
thismeintiel said:

Well, it's not just the one month.  You also have to remember that the Switch's stock issues have probably gone on longer than just about any console.  Only in Oct did Nintendo start to get them under control.  So, there should have been a lot of pent up demand for the Switch this Nov, yet with enough stock in stores, the Switch still didn't perform as well as the PS4. 

I guess, really, we'll have to see how it performs in Dec.  Going on how well Nintendo performs in Dec, I guess it should easily do 1.2M+.

If stock issues were sorted out in Sept/Oct than i dont see why that would mean pent up demand in Nov.

Overall Switch will sell ~4.5 million in 2017 in the US which is right in line with 3DS (4.1m), XBO (4.3m) & PS4 (4.7m).

In other words we really cant assume anything since all 3 of those did similar while all having vastly different trajectories.

It was reported that they were starting to ramp up production in the beginning of Oct.  Oct was a good month, with 300K, but you would think with pent up demand still from launch, plus a newly hyped, well recieved Mario game, it would have done better.  The 3DS did 250K in its first Oct, and that was without any notable launches.  And the PS4 also matched its first Oct without anything anywhere near the impact of a Mario game.  Now, maybe you could say that Oct also had some stock issues, maybe, but then Nov should have been even larger.

reviniente said:
thismeintiel said:

You're not putting things into full context.  The Pro not only had stock issues at launch, as Sony underestimated demand, but it also launched just a month after it was announced.  Sony didn't really push it all that much, most likely because they didn't want to alienate their normal users that may have thought they were being abandoned.  MS, on the other hand, have talked about pretty much nothing but the X for a year and a half.  They had around an extra months worth of preorders to go towards launch numbers.  They also made sure that they had plenty of stock for launch.  And the fact that the power gap is much more significant over the base model, plus gave the power bragging rights back to Xbox fans, made it an easier sell.

The important thing is the X is not going to do what MS wanted it to do, reinvigorate XBO sales.

You're grasping at straws. The quote from the Resetera forum (from where we take the sales figure) puts PS4Pro sales, this November, at around 260,000 (or 65% less than the X). The X did better wether launches are aligned or not. And ultimately, isn't SONY responsible for managing the ill conceived lauch of their own console? And what's with that 'The important thing is the X is not going to do what MS wanted it to do, reinvigorate XBO sales.' line? Are you really that emotionally invested in 'winning' the generation?

  I think someone needs to look into a mirror.  I think that's really all I care to say to you at this point.  Good day.



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reviniente said:
thismeintiel said:

You're not putting things into full context.  The Pro not only had stock issues at launch, as Sony underestimated demand, but it also launched just a month after it was announced.  Sony didn't really push it all that much, most likely because they didn't want to alienate their normal users that may have thought they were being abandoned.  MS, on the other hand, have talked about pretty much nothing but the X for a year and a half.  They had around an extra months worth of preorders to go towards launch numbers.  They also made sure that they had plenty of stock for launch.  And the fact that the power gap is much more significant over the base model, plus gave the power bragging rights back to Xbox fans, made it an easier sell.

The important thing is the X is not going to do what MS wanted it to do, reinvigorate XBO sales.

You're grasping at straws. The quote from the Resetera forum (from where we take the sales figure) puts PS4Pro sales, this November, at around 260,000 (or 65% less than the X). The X did better wether launches are aligned or not. And ultimately, isn't SONY responsible for managing the ill conceived lauch of their own console? And what's with that 'The important thing is the X is not going to do what MS wanted it to do, reinvigorate XBO sales.' line? Are you really that emotionally invested in 'winning' the generation?

Yeh I honestly think that a couple of posters on this site have an unhealthy obsession with MS/ Xbox and become particularly overactive whenever there is a sign of it performing well. e.g. as in the case of One X which has considerably outperformed the lower speced Pro.I believe that the XOneX has attracted some healthy fanfare and media interest (just check out YouTube these days) and will likely reinvigorate the xbox somewhat moving forward, - and especially if thay can provide price cuts to the X in 12 months time or so which will ensure some healthy level of sales moving forward.  On the other hand, the Pro unfortunately is considered to much the same in terms of power as the PS4 Slim. MS have made a great decision with the X, -and moving forward costs can be reduced with this very powerful hardware.



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Playstation_awaiter said:

I doubt MS continues  this genless narrative, Xbox x did nowhere close to true Next gen onsole launch. When PS5 comes around, ms will drop Xbox One like a step child.

They're dropping it already. They are using a badly optimised game to sell their X1X instead. They could've tried to optimise it, so it would run ok on the base X1 but they preferred not to go that way. Microsoft have dropped the X1 the moment they announced the X1X with that huge power gap. That's why it's stopped selling the whole year and they seem to want that trend to continue.




thismeintiel said:
zorg1000 said:

If stock issues were sorted out in Sept/Oct than i dont see why that would mean pent up demand in Nov.

Overall Switch will sell ~4.5 million in 2017 in the US which is right in line with 3DS (4.1m), XBO (4.3m) & PS4 (4.7m).

In other words we really cant assume anything since all 3 of those did similar while all having vastly different trajectories.

It was reported that they were starting to ramp up production in the beginning of Oct.  Oct was a good month, with 300K, but you would think with pent up demand still from launch, plus a newly hyped, well recieved Mario game, it would have done better.  The 3DS did 250K in its first Oct, and that was without any notable launches.  And the PS4 also matched its first Oct without anything anywhere near the impact of a Mario game.  Now, maybe you could say that Oct also had some stock issues, maybe, but then Nov should have been even larger.

reviniente said:

You're grasping at straws. The quote from the Resetera forum (from where we take the sales figure) puts PS4Pro sales, this November, at around 260,000 (or 65% less than the X). The X did better wether launches are aligned or not. And ultimately, isn't SONY responsible for managing the ill conceived lauch of their own console? And what's with that 'The important thing is the X is not going to do what MS wanted it to do, reinvigorate XBO sales.' line? Are you really that emotionally invested in 'winning' the generation?

  I think someone needs to look into a mirror.  I think that's really all I care to say to you at this point.  Good day.

More like, you know when an argument has run its course. And Good Day to you as well.



hudsoniscool said:
thismeintiel said:

Oh, my bad.  I forgot that the S has only been on sale starting this Nov.  And the XBO has not been down for the whole year.  Thanks for correcting me there.  /s

Marketing for the x was completely non existent until October other than conferences, so in other words 99% of the public had no ideas about it. The s has been down all year because it's in decline/ poor exclusives this year.

it was discounted this November.... just like last November, yet it's flat. Try again man.

Maybe 99% of the general public who isn't exactly interested in games.  But, come on, man, don't reach.  Tech and gaming sites were talking about the X every time MS opened their mouth about it.  Which was often.  We live in the day and age of the internet.  Anyone remotely interested in gaming would have a VERY hard time not coming across some news about the X in the year and a half that MS was promoting it.

And, yea, I agree, it's been down partly due to those reasons.  It also doesn't help that the parent company basically ignores it in favor of pushing the HW revision for over a year, falsely thinking this is just about power.  And not because people were waiting for the X, which these numbers clearly show they were not, but because if you don't act like you care about our product, neither will the public. 

Not sure why you're hinging your argument on one month, though.  How does that prove/disprove anything?  Dropping below $200 is going to bring a lot of sales.  Just look at the PS4.  It was up by quite a bit, while it allowed a sliding XBO S to remain flat, or be slightly up.  Still doesn't change the fact that MS basically shat its sales away for the rest of the year to promote the X.



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Errorist76 said:
Playstation_awaiter said:

I doubt MS continues  this genless narrative, Xbox x did nowhere close to true Next gen onsole launch. When PS5 comes around, ms will drop Xbox One like a step child.

They're dropping it already. They are using a badly optimised game to sell their X1X instead. They could've tried to optimise it, so it would run ok on the base X1 but they preferred not to go that way. Microsoft have dropped the X1 the moment they announced the X1X with that huge power gap. That's why it's stopped selling the whole year and they seem to want that trend to continue.


Here we go!



3sexty said:
reviniente said:

You're grasping at straws. The quote from the Resetera forum (from where we take the sales figure) puts PS4Pro sales, this November, at around 260,000 (or 65% less than the X). The X did better wether launches are aligned or not. And ultimately, isn't SONY responsible for managing the ill conceived lauch of their own console? And what's with that 'The important thing is the X is not going to do what MS wanted it to do, reinvigorate XBO sales.' line? Are you really that emotionally invested in 'winning' the generation?

Yeh I honestly think that a couple of posters on this site have an unhealthy obsession with MS/ Xbox and become particularly overactive whenever there is a sign of it performing well. e.g. as in the case of One X which has considerably outperformed the lower speced Pro.I believe that the XOneX has attracted some healthy fanfare and media interest (just check out YouTube these days) and will likely reinvigorate the xbox somewhat moving forward, - and especially if thay can provide price cuts to the X in 12 months time or so which will ensure some healthy level of sales moving forward.  On the other hand, the Pro unfortunately is considered to much the same in terms of power as the PS4 Slim. MS have made a great decision with the X, -and moving forward costs can be reduced with this very powerful hardware.

Or maybe some have a unhealthy obsession defending the Xbox?  It cuts both ways, you know.  I mean you get the same 3-4 posters defending the Xbox at all costs, regardless of how sound the argument is against them.

Anyway, the way I see it, MS has played it poorly.  For one, they really have nothing to push the X.  Sure, for the first year, 3rd party devs may push it a little more than the Pro, but how long will that last if sales plummet?  After then, we may see only the slightest of upgrades over the Pro.  But, that won't even really matter, as Sony will be putting out their own great lineup in '18 and '19 to show what the Pro can do.  Or the base PS4, for that matter.  It just seems like bad foresight to launch HW but promise really nothing in the future to push it. 

But, more importantly, they launched it late.  Sure, that allowed them to be more powerful, but is that really going to help them in the long run?  Some time in '18 we are going to start hearing rumblings of a PS5 that will, more than likely, blow the X out of the water.  We may even get an announcement of the PS5 in '19.  That will leave MS in the same situation they found themselves in this gen, scrambling things together to have an answer to the PS.  Are they going to do what they have done the past 2 gens and just abandon their last HW shortly after next gen starts.  Wouldn't surprise me. 

As far as price goes.  It's not going to do them much good if they get it down to $349-$399 in 2019, if Sony announces the PS5 at...$399.  At that point, you might as well just stick a fork in the X, it's done.  With no real exclusives pushing it.  No longer having the power argument.  And not even a real price advantage.



thismeintiel said:
hudsoniscool said:

Marketing for the x was completely non existent until October other than conferences, so in other words 99% of the public had no ideas about it. The s has been down all year because it's in decline/ poor exclusives this year.

it was discounted this November.... just like last November, yet it's flat. Try again man.

Maybe 99% of the general public who isn't exactly interested in games.  But, come on, man, don't reach.  Tech and gaming sites were talking about the X every time MS opened their mouth about it.  Which was often.  We live in the day and age of the internet.  Anyone remotely interested in gaming would have a VERY hard time not coming across some news about the X in the year and a half that MS was promoting it.

And, yea, I agree, it's been down partly due to those reasons.  It also doesn't help that the parent company basically ignores it in favor of pushing the HW revision for over a year, falsely thinking this is just about power.  And not because people were waiting for the X, which these numbers clearly show they were not, but because if you don't act like you care about our product, neither will the public. 

Not sure why you're hinging your argument on one month, though.  How does that prove/disprove anything?  Dropping below $200 is going to bring a lot of sales.  Just look at the PS4.  It was up by quite a bit, while it allowed a sliding XBO S to remain flat, or be slightly up.  Still doesn't change the fact that MS basically shat its sales away for the rest of the year to promote the X.

I just think you perceive it that way.

 the pro proved last year that a mid gen upgrade that plays the same games will never take over from the lower priced entry level console. Do u honestly believe the that ms would stop carriages about there 200$ box and instead force the 500$ version that plays the same games down everyone's throats. they wouldn't do that it would be suicide. And they have said as much, calling it the premium console. Saying they expect the s to get most of the sales. Any mid gen console be it the pro, x or mid gen releases for next gen won't sell better than the entry level sku unless they have games that arnt available on the other version. If ms doesn't know this they would be very very dumb.



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halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.

thismeintiel said:
zorg1000 said:

If stock issues were sorted out in Sept/Oct than i dont see why that would mean pent up demand in Nov.

Overall Switch will sell ~4.5 million in 2017 in the US which is right in line with 3DS (4.1m), XBO (4.3m) & PS4 (4.7m).

In other words we really cant assume anything since all 3 of those did similar while all having vastly different trajectories.

It was reported that they were starting to ramp up production in the beginning of Oct.  Oct was a good month, with 300K, but you would think with pent up demand still from launch, plus a newly hyped, well recieved Mario game, it would have done better.  The 3DS did 250K in its first Oct, and that was without any notable launches.  And the PS4 also matched its first Oct without anything anywhere near the impact of a Mario game.  Now, maybe you could say that Oct also had some stock issues, maybe, but then Nov should have been even larger.


3DS still had its price cut effect in Oct and while PS4 didnt have any individual games on par with SMO it did have some big games (NBA 2K & Evil Within) along with the big Sept games (Destiny, FIFA, Mordor) still pushing systems.

All three did +/- 275k in Oct & +/- 800k in Nov and it was a good result for all of them.



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I love how some of the ps guys are desperately trying to paint a bad picture for xbox/nintendo.
Doing this just makes you look worse.
I mean, just admit that other consoles are doing well too and get a move on.



Bet with Intrinsic:

The Switch will outsell 3DS (based on VGchartz numbers), according to me, while Intrinsic thinks the opposite will hold true. One month avatar control for the loser's avatar.