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LOL I think I am lost.

5 convos going on in here haha



 

 

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Pemalite said:
Azzanation said:

Guns don't control the crimes. The people do and unfortunately in the USA its the culture not the guns that's the issue. Banning them only takes away freedom doesn't solve the problem.

And what freedom would that be?
I think you are under the false misconception that it is illegal to own guns in Australia when that couldn't be farther from the truth.

Azzanation said:

Those mass shootings will still happen regardless if guns are banned or not (eg. black Market).

The evidence of no massacres in Australia for the past few decades says otherwise.
You understand what evidence is, right?

Azzanation said:

Blaming items for crimes is a poor mans excuse.

Let me guess... You will use the old adage of "Guns don't kill people, people kill people".
So North Korea should have nuclear weapons as Nuclear Weapons don't kill people, people kill people?

Azzanation said:

Australia banned knifes in the city yet we still have stabbings.

There is a fundamental difference between the concealed knife ban and gun control.
Australians were happy to give up their guns and hand them over to police, it cost the Government hundreds of millions.

Knives on the other hand only need a trip to Kmart or any kitchen in Australia. - Try acquiring a gun that easily.
Thus the Knife ban was never going to work.

Azzanation said:

What next, we ban cars because some crazy people do hit and runs?

This is a logical fallacy and thus false.

Azzanation said:

No thanks. Id rather take freedom of choice than be monitored like babies and being defenceless at the same time. This comes down to your opinion vs mine and mine wont change on the matter.

It's not just my opinion, you are clinging to logical fallacies, which means your opinion is fundamentally wrong. - And that's not my opinion either, that is a fact.

Azzanation said:

I don't import or emulate so majority miss out on these games that get banned because Australia thinks that's the reason for bad behaviour.

That's fine. You can still import or VPN.

Azzanation said:

Back to the main topic. Does it matter if there gay, straight, incest or pedo? Why allow one and not the others if others say they do it because there in love? We can judge and exclude them for a period of time however how long can we continue holding the lines. Maybe our generation is safe but maybe not the next.

Regurgitating your argumentum ad ignorantiam isn't going to make your argument sound, it does the opposite.

Incest is already legal to a point anyway.

But the appropriate answer to your response is... It depends on society and how they perceive it.
If Society deems that Polygamy is morally acceptable, then so be it.
If Society deems same-sex marriage is morally acceptable, then so be it.
If society deems that marrying a physical object or location is morally acceptable, then so be it.

But the abuse of Children... Will never ever ever be morally acceptable as it destroys innocent lives.
Your slippery slope conspiracy theories are not the truth and you should stop.

Azzanation said:

This is a growing community that will continue to push for more. Love is love as they say.

Its already happening with paedophilia want to be part of the LGBT community. Its extremely wrong however if paedophilia is pushing for sexual orientation, what's not stopping incest from there own sexual identity? (Vid Below)

This is a logical fallacy. And thus untrue.

Using Infowars which is an outlet that propagates fake news and conspiracy theories and will use any argument they can to reinforce their confirmation bias to push their own agenda?
Only idiots would trust in it and try to use it as a source, infowars doesn't even use appropriate citations or sources in it's claims... - And thus in one fell swoop, you just lost any and all credibility.

Azzanation said:

Its a trending social movement on Twitter and YouTube that provides information how gays were once considered a mental illness and was redefined as a sexual orientation.

And then science happened. I suggest you go have a listen to Richard Dawkins on how biology and genetics plays a role in Homosexuality... And most importantly the twin studies.
..Which is why Homosexuality was delisted as a mental illness.

A few decades later when the idea that Homosexuality isn't a choice... Same-sex marriage was legalized. Yay.

Azzanation said:


Some of the LGBT community has advocated the social movement of paedophilia as a sexual orientation. 

And some in the Christian community advocate the death penalty for homosexuality, doesn't mean they are representative of all Christians across Australia, especially the millions that voted yes.

Only a fool paints everyone with the same brush.

Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Here is the Bible's argument against homosexuality. Various quotes in the Bible condemns homosexuality. http://www.livingout.org/the-bible-and-ssa

Don't get me started on theistic perspectives on homosexuality and same-sex marriage.
Freedom from Religion should be something that all nations aspire towards in my opinion.

Lets keep this short and quick. I linked you vids of some of the LGBT accepting pedo life as a thing. There is movement and its growing fast weather you choose to accept it or not.  Allowing gay marriage (Something I have no issues with hence why I voted Yes) has attracted more grounds for those we don't accept. That is not up for debate, that's a thing happening now. Might not be major right now but its coming.

Yes Guns don't kill people, people kill people. We have always lived lives with mass murders even before guns were invented and that's why I disagree. Australia is a very controlling country where they monitor you like babies which is why we go to the point of banning pointless video games because our logic sucks. Left 4 Dead 2 (R) was banned here because of violence.. nice. You can still get shot and stabbed in the streets and recently we had a maniac run over and kill 13+ people. No matter what you ban and take away from the people this will always happen. Crazies will find a way. 

So my point is simple, don't ignore the movement happening because its going to bite you in the ass one day.



Azzanation said:

Lets keep this short and quick. I linked you vids of some of the LGBT accepting pedo life as a thing. There is movement and its growing fast weather you choose to accept it or not.

No. Because conspiracy theories from an outlet KNOWN to propagate fake news is not a legitimate source of information.
Try again.
Try using a source that has appropriate citations. - You know what a citation is don't you? I am more than happy to educate you on that topic.

Azzanation said:

That is not up for debate, that's a thing happening now. Might not be major right now but its coming.

You are using the power of fear to try and assert that your conspiracy theory is true.
That is a logical fallacy and thus is false.

Azzanation said:

Yes Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Then let us give Nuclear Weapons to all states that are hostile to Australia. Nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people.

Azzanation said:

We have always lived lives with mass murders even before guns were invented and that's why I disagree.

You honestly don't see the hole in your logic do you?
Go back a post or two of mine and look at the vaccine example I provided as that is still a relevant rebuttal to this point.

Azzanation said:

 Australia is a very controlling country where they monitor you like babies

Another conspiracy theory.

Azzanation said:

which is why we go to the point of banning pointless video games because our logic sucks.

Video games get banned because they do not conform to our rating system.
Our rating system is the way it is... Because law hasn't caught up with technology, that will change in time.

Azzanation said:

 Left 4 Dead 2 (R) was banned here because of violence.. nice.

It was never banned, it still got released. We just ended up with an altered version. - But guess what? I got a friend to gift me a copy from the USA and I bought him a game of equal value and got around the entire issue anyway.

And in-fact, once we had a few changes pushed into our rating system... Valve patched the game and removed the censor anyway.
Here it is: https://www.kotaku.com.au/2014/09/five-years-later-left-4-dead-2-is-finally-uncensored-in-australia/

You also have VPN and importing.

Azzanation said:

So my point is simple, don't ignore the movement happening because its going to bite you in the ass one day.

This is a logical fallacy and is thus false.

You need to stop trying to push your conspiracy theories, they aren't true.

People often use your EXACT same argument where they claim Homosexuality will allow for the legalization of say... Polygamy because there is some "movement happening" on that front.
But guess what? In countries where Polygamy is legal, Same-sex is marriage is often illegal.
And in countries where Same-sex marriage is legal, Polygamy is often illegal.

If you honestly do not understand why your assertion is a logical fallacy and thus false, I am more than happy to educate you on the subject matter as it seems you do not fully understand what a logical fallacy truly is.




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Pemalite said:
Azzanation said:

Lets keep this short and quick. I linked you vids of some of the LGBT accepting pedo life as a thing. There is movement and its growing fast weather you choose to accept it or not.

No. Because conspiracy theories from an outlet KNOWN to propagate fake news is not a legitimate source of information.
Try again.
Try using a source that has appropriate citations. - You know what a citation is don't you? I am more than happy to educate you on that topic.

Azzanation said:

That is not up for debate, that's a thing happening now. Might not be major right now but its coming.

You are using the power of fear to try and assert that your conspiracy theory is true.
That is a logical fallacy and thus is false.

Azzanation said:

Yes Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Then let us give Nuclear Weapons to all states that are hostile to Australia. Nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people.

Azzanation said:

We have always lived lives with mass murders even before guns were invented and that's why I disagree.

You honestly don't see the hole in your logic do you?
Go back a post or two of mine and look at the vaccine example I provided as that is still a relevant rebuttal to this point.

Azzanation said:

 Australia is a very controlling country where they monitor you like babies

Another conspiracy theory.

Azzanation said:

which is why we go to the point of banning pointless video games because our logic sucks.

Video games get banned because they do not conform to our rating system.
Our rating system is the way it is... Because law hasn't caught up with technology, that will change in time.

Azzanation said:

 Left 4 Dead 2 (R) was banned here because of violence.. nice.

It was never banned, it still got released. We just ended up with an altered version. - But guess what? I got a friend to gift me a copy from the USA and I bought him a game of equal value and got around the entire issue anyway.

And in-fact, once we had a few changes pushed into our rating system... Valve patched the game and removed the censor anyway.
Here it is: https://www.kotaku.com.au/2014/09/five-years-later-left-4-dead-2-is-finally-uncensored-in-australia/

You also have VPN and importing.

Azzanation said:

So my point is simple, don't ignore the movement happening because its going to bite you in the ass one day.

This is a logical fallacy and is thus false.

You need to stop trying to push your conspiracy theories, they aren't true.

People often use your EXACT same argument where they claim Homosexuality will allow for the legalization of say... Polygamy because there is some "movement happening" on that front.
But guess what? In countries where Polygamy is legal, Same-sex is marriage is often illegal.
And in countries where Same-sex marriage is legal, Polygamy is often illegal.

If you honestly do not understand why your assertion is a logical fallacy and thus false, I am more than happy to educate you on the subject matter as it seems you do not fully understand what a logical fallacy truly is.


I also found a way to get L4D2 uncut on release, however its still stupid that we have to go though those measure to get a video games.

Look up Pedolife, go on YouTube, go on Twitter, mate the internets yours to see. You don't need me to tell you. I am just stating movement and manipulation. To me this is going to happen, maybe to you its all conspiracy but if you think that's all it is than I suggest you look it all up. Its there for the world to see. 

Some countries allow it and some countries don't. Australia didn't allow gays until now, so there's proof that rules can change. Gays were considered here as a mental illness and now its acceptable. Watch others push the other mental illnesses to power. Humans evolve and change when they see enough to push it. Sure I might be over acting a little however I have seen a lot change in my lifetime and this is just another small step into a direction we don't want.

Also your Nuclear theory is a poor one. Yes Nukes don't kill people, that's an understanding I wish you understood by now. Nukes are used as a power tactic in wars. USA have created bigger bombs than Nukes and that's ok? Everything we ban we replace with something else.

Last edited by Azzanation - on 14 December 2017

Holy shit, some people is absolutely unable to see they are wrong even when every single argument they made has been destroyed 5 consecutive times, the right wing always so rational.



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Azzanation said: 

Look up Pedolife, go on YouTube, go on Twitter, mate the internets yours to see. You don't need me to tell you. I am just stating movement and manipulation. To me this is going to happen, maybe to you its all conspiracy but if you think that's all it is than I suggest you look it all up. Its there for the world to see. 

Some countries allow it and some countries don't. Australia didn't allow gays until now, so there's proof that rules can change. Gays were considered here as a mental illness and now its acceptable. Watch others push the other mental illnesses to power. Humans evolve and change when they see enough to push it. Sure I might be over acting a little however I have seen a lot change in my lifetime and this is just another small step into a direction we don't want.

Actually, allowing gay marriage is definitely a step into a direction we want, one where homosexuals are treated equally.



Ryuu96 said:

The reasons for bringing paedophilia (Among others) into this thread are frankly ridiculous and going into off-topic and I don't want to see anymore "Bu-bu they may be next"

Reiterating, Stop bringing paedophilia into this thread, stop replying to topics regarding it, don't even joke about it (This just encourages others to reply) one user has already been banned and if it carries on I will just lock the thread.

OT: This is great news.



Pemalite said:

Japan. Pretty sure China also ranks highly as well.

 

Locknuts said:
Christianity has done more good in the world that Islam or Judaism.

Christianity is also responsible for the deaths of millions, the prevention of equal rights and other immoral actions.
An example: Inquisition, murdering pagans, sentencing of death for homosexuality.

However... To say that Christianity has done more good than Judaism is a little duplicitous...
Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all based on the same Abrahamic, Middle-Eastern ethos.


In-fact, Judaism was the first of the three religions and is built around the Torah, the Jewish Bible.
Christianity adopted the Torah and relegated that to the Old Testament whilst "tacking on" the New Testament and applying it's own spin, so it could be argued that without Judaism and the Torah you wouldn't have Christianity and the Bible anyway.
Islam takes the Torah/Bibles Old Testament and essentially gives it it's own spin on the events.

There is a reason why all three religions preach death to Homosexuals, against the consumption of pork, women serving men, owning slaves is okay and why all three are thus against same-sex marriage.

Locknuts said:
Although Jews have achieved a disproportionate number of things like Nobel Prizes, I think this has more to do with their intellect than their culture. Before the reformation and subsequent separation of church and state, the Christian church was responsible for some horrific atrocities. But we learned the hard way and a separation became a fundamental part of our culture. I am currently educating myself on Judaism so I can't really say much on the subject.

Agreed. I didn't wish to get into a theistic discussion here (even a light one) but it happened anyway. Haha

Locknuts said:
Islam does not allow for a separation of Church and state. As Hitchens said 'Not all religions are equally bad at the same time'.

I dislike all religions equally, I prefer science, evidence, logic and sound reasoning.
Thus no religion is better or worst than each other... I mean after several thousand years, 4000+ religions/denominations and thousands of "gods" none have even been able to provide evidence to justify their claim of a supernatural deity. Ever.

That is in stark contrast to homosexuals who do exist in the real world and thus should come first before any religion.

I am just glad that same-sex marriage is being legalized one country after another... And that religion is taking a backseat to that.

1) Japan and China thrived once they adopted free market capitalism. A very western idea.

2) The three Abrahamic religions all diverge, and that divergence is where Christianity (the new testament) has given us our most valuable lessons.

3) Sound reasoning, to me, shows that Christian values (modified through modernity) have lead to the highest standards of living and longest life expectancies in human history. I'm not sure how important marriage being exclusively between a man and a woman is to western civilisation, or even how to measure its importance. This uncertainty was another factor in me voting no. Essentially though, I reject the entire legal framework and hate giving the government more power to decide who can do what with whom. It shouldn't even be up to them.



Locknuts said:

1) Japan and China thrived once they adopted free market capitalism. A very western idea.

China and Japan are stupidly ancient countries (That predate Christianity) that have had capitalism several times in their histories before most western nations.
The Silk Road was one such example.

Thus, nothing to do with religion or western influence.

Locknuts said:

2) The three Abrahamic religions all diverge, and that divergence is where Christianity (the new testament) has given us our most valuable lessons.

Doesn't matter if or by how much they diverged, they are all painted with the same brush.

Locknuts said:

3) Sound reasoning, to me, shows that Christian values (modified through modernity) have lead to the highest standards of living and longest life expectancies in human history.

Higher standards of living, increased life expectancy has nothing to do with Christianity.
I mean if you are going to conflate two separate things by using a what-if statement... Then I can simply assert that those things became possible thanks to Atheists... As it's western nations that have sizable Atheist populations where such development has occurred.

Rather, higher standards of living and higher life expectancy do have everything to do with science and technology... Which are often fundamentals that come into conflict with theistic stances.

Locknuts said:

I'm not sure how important marriage being exclusively between a man and a woman is to western civilisation, or even how to measure its importance. This uncertainty was another factor in me voting no.

 Essentially though, I reject the entire legal framework and hate giving the government more power to decide who can do what with whom. It shouldn't even be up to them.

Then perhaps you should have done some research before you voted?

What you like/dislike is ultimately redundant, the same-sex marriage survey was not actually asking for your opinion on any of that as it had nothing to do with it. - Using that as an excuse to "vote no" just proves you do not wish for all Australian born citizens to be seen and treated as equals in the eyes of the current law framework.
The Government would not have gained or lost any power or capabilities making your entire argument base-point... Irrelevant.

Last edited by Pemalite - on 16 December 2017

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May I just say fuck everyone in here trying to equate homosexuality with pedophilia and incest. Thank you for relying on caricatures, misleading media, and logical fallicies to fuel your hatred fear of people who just love other adults of the same sex.



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