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spurgeonryan said:
With everyone jumping on board the switch train as of late I am surprised as well. It is either cost prohibitive like you said or they are worried about sports sales on a Nintendo system. Besides Tiger Woods and Mario sports titles have a long history of selling poorly on Nintendo systems. They were not too bad in the N64 days, and not good since the Snes days.

Madden actually fared decently on Wii:

PosGamePlatformYearGenrePublisherNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
1 Madden NFL 08 PS2 2007 Sports Electronic Arts 2.14 0.08 0.00 0.35 2.57
2 Madden NFL 08 X360 2007 Sports Electronic Arts 2.18 0.01 0.00 0.18 2.37
3 Madden NFL 08 PS3 2007 Sports Electronic Arts 0.89 0.01 0.00 0.08 0.97
4 Madden NFL 08 Wii 2007 Sports Electronic Arts 0.80 0.00 0.00 0.07 0.88
PosGamePlatformYearGenrePublisherNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
1 Madden NFL 09 X360 2008 Sports Electronic Arts 2.21 0.12 0.00 0.20 2.54
2 Madden NFL 09 PS3 2008 Sports Electronic Arts 1.56 0.15 0.00 0.18 1.89
3 Madden NFL 09 PS2 2008 Sports Electronic Arts 1.22 0.00 0.00 0.27 1.49
4 Madden NFL 09 All-Play Wii 2008 Sports Electronic Arts 0.77 0.01 0.00 0.06 0.84
PosGamePlatformYearGenrePublisherNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
1 Madden NFL 10 X360 2009 Sports Electronic Arts 2.52 0.09 0.00 0.22 2.83
2 Madden NFL 10 PS3 2009 Sports Electronic Arts 2.03 0.13 0.00 0.21 2.37
3 Madden NFL 10 PS2 2009 Sports Electronic Arts 0.88 0.00 0.00 0.10 0.98
4 Madden NFL 10 Wii 2009 Sports Electronic Arts 0.62 0.04 0.00 0.06 0.72
PosGamePlatformYearGenrePublisherNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
1 Madden NFL 11 X360 2010 Sports Electronic Arts 2.38 0.12 0.00 0.19 2.69
2 Madden NFL 11 PS3 2010 Sports Electronic Arts 2.05 0.15 0.00 0.20 2.40
3 Madden NFL 11 Wii N/A Sports Unknown 0.68 0.00 0.00 0.04 0.73
4 Madden NFL 11 PS2 2010 Sports Electronic Arts 0.41 0.02 0.00 0.07 0.50

They weren't selling gangbusters like on Sony and Microsoft consoles, but they held their own enough to warrant an annual commitment from EA.  

Meanwhile, FIFA topped a million sales a couple of times on Wii:

PosGamePlatformYearGenrePublisherNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
1 FIFA Soccer 08 PS2 2007 Sports Electronic Arts 0.68 0.00 0.00 2.46 3.14
2 FIFA Soccer 08 PS3 2007 Sports Electronic Arts 0.35 1.07 0.02 0.31 1.75
3 FIFA Soccer 08 PSP 2007 Sports Electronic Arts 0.20 0.76 0.00 0.39 1.35
4 FIFA Soccer 08 X360 2007 Sports Electronic Arts 0.31 0.89 0.01 0.14 1.35
5 FIFA Soccer 08 Wii 2007 Sports Electronic Arts 0.32 0.59 0.01 0.12 1.03
PosGamePlatformYearGenrePublisherNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
1 FIFA Soccer 11 PS3 2010 Sports Electronic Arts 0.61 3.28 0.06 1.12 5.08
2 FIFA Soccer 11 X360 2010 Sports Electronic Arts 0.71 2.39 0.02 0.40 3.52
3 FIFA Soccer 11 PSP 2010 Sports Electronic Arts 0.13 0.70 0.01 0.36 1.21
4 FIFA Soccer 11 Wii 2010 Sports Electronic Arts 0.26 0.69 0.00 0.12 1.08

It wasn't until the active userbase of the Wii dropped, and then the failure of the Wii U to build up a significant install base that EA found it not worth the expense for annual releases on Nintendo hardware.



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Ka-pi96 said:
Insidb said:

Yeah, that's when they lost it: it's important to delineate the licenses, though.

You can have a console exclusive license or a multiplat license: EA had the latter, and then 2K had it.

Nintendo, MS, and Sony can all do console exclusives; the Show is made by Sony and can only be on Sony consoles.

I dunno about that...

Them still allowing MLB to sell the licence to other 3rd party companies is one thing, but I'd be quite surprised if they don't have a "can't sell the licence to Microsoft/Nintendo" part in their licence agreement.

 I don't know.  If that were true, I think there would be evidence of it somewhere.  Best I could find was Microsoft saying they wish someone would do it for them without actually saying they are barred from doing it themselves.                      

Ever since 2K Sports canceled its MLB 2K series in 2014, Xbox fans looking for a licensed MLB game have only had one option--the RBI Baseball series--while Sony fans continue to get that franchise and new installments in The Show series. It doesn't look like this will change anytime soon, but Xbox fans may be happy to learn Head of Xbox Phil Spencer has spoken up to say he would "love" to see another pro baseball game on Xbox someday.

"Some of us have been begging for a true MLB game for years and fallen on deaf ears," one person on Twitter wrote to Spencer recently. The executive dismissed the idea that Microsoft hasn't heard these suggestions and went on to say a third-party game would be something Microsoft would support.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-boss-would-love-to-see-new-xbox-mlb-game/1100-6435622/

As far as Nintendo goes, they haven't bothered with sports licensing on their own in a long while anyway.  They seem to prefer to market their own IP characters into the sports games they make.



Ka-pi96 said:
Insidb said:

Yeah, that's when they lost it: it's important to delineate the licenses, though.

You can have a console exclusive license or a multiplat license: EA had the latter, and then 2K had it.

Nintendo, MS, and Sony can all do console exclusives; the Show is made by Sony and can only be on Sony consoles.

I dunno about that...

Them still allowing MLB to sell the licence to other 3rd party companies is one thing, but I'd be quite surprised if they don't have a "can't sell the licence to Microsoft/Nintendo" part in their licence agreement.

There's an article somewhere about 2K not renewing/losing the license and Nintendo/MS electing not to make games for their systems.

I don't think you can assign the 3rd party license, as that would be extremely atypical for a licensing agreement.



Mandalore76 said:
Ka-pi96 said:

I dunno about that...

Them still allowing MLB to sell the licence to other 3rd party companies is one thing, but I'd be quite surprised if they don't have a "can't sell the licence to Microsoft/Nintendo" part in their licence agreement.

 I don't know.  If that were true, I think there would be evidence of it somewhere.  Best I could find was Microsoft saying they wish someone would do it for them without actually saying they are barred from doing it themselves.                      

Ever since 2K Sports canceled its MLB 2K series in 2014, Xbox fans looking for a licensed MLB game have only had one option--the RBI Baseball series--while Sony fans continue to get that franchise and new installments in The Show series. It doesn't look like this will change anytime soon, but Xbox fans may be happy to learn Head of Xbox Phil Spencer has spoken up to say he would "love" to see another pro baseball game on Xbox someday.

"Some of us have been begging for a true MLB game for years and fallen on deaf ears," one person on Twitter wrote to Spencer recently. The executive dismissed the idea that Microsoft hasn't heard these suggestions and went on to say a third-party game would be something Microsoft would support.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-boss-would-love-to-see-new-xbox-mlb-game/1100-6435622/

As far as Nintendo goes, they haven't bothered with sports licensing on their own in a long while anyway.  They seem to prefer to market their own IP characters into the sports games they make.

When EA had the license, things were best. Now that they don't, only Sony wants to invest in making an MLB game for their consoles. 

Keep in mind the time period: this was only 3 years ago, when the WiiU was not selling well and only Sony was making their own MLB game.

The Show is about 11 years old, so it was really easy for Sony to just keep producing iterations.



Insidb said:

 

When EA had the license, things were best. Now that they don't, only Sony wants to invest in making an MLB game for their consoles. 

Keep in mind the time period: this was only 3 years ago, when the WiiU was not selling well and only Sony was making their own MLB game.

The Show is about 11 years old, so it was really easy for Sony to just keep producing iterations.

Yeah, one of the articles I was reading yesterday, when looking into the licensing, pointed out the irony of the NFL and MLB licensing situation.  EA signed the exclusive deal with the NFL that made Madden the only officially licensed football game, forcing 2K to cancel it's NFL 2K series.  In retaliation, 2K signed the 3rd Party licensing agreement with MLB that forced EA to end it's MLB MVP series.  2K at the time was considered the better football game developer, and EA was the better baseball game developer.  So they actually both screwed each other out of what they did best.  2K realized this and discontinued their baseball series after MLB 2K13 and have stuck with having the premier NBA game and also the WWE as their tent-pole sports franchises.  Meanwhile, EA continues to hold exclusive rights to the NFL, and also have FIFA, NHL, and NBA franchises.  Therefore, they don't see the necessity to re-build a baseball game from the ground up at this point.  In the end, EA unwittingly pushed themselves out of the baseball market the day they signed the football (NFL) contract.  



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Well that sucks... Main thing I learned from this thread is that RBI Baseball name now is associated to a shitty game. You know it used to be good on the NES... Sega used to make pretty good baseball games with World Series Baseball back in the day.

Speaking of a really good non licensed game that I enjoyed when I was a kid... Tommy Lasorda Baseball on the Genesis. The first Ken Griffey Jr. Baseball was also pretty damn good even though it only had Griffey as the one real player (N64 version had license though).

Basically, Nintendo should just make another Ken Griffey Jr. Baseball (perhaps using a player that currently plays for Mariners (they still have 10% stake in club) such as Cano.



sethnintendo said:

Well that sucks... Main thing I learned from this thread is that RBI Baseball name now is associated to a shitty game. You know it used to be good on the NES... Sega used to make pretty good baseball games with World Series Baseball back in the day.

Speaking of a really good non licensed game that I enjoyed when I was a kid... Tommy Lasorda Baseball on the Genesis. The first Ken Griffey Jr. Baseball was also pretty damn good even though it only had Griffey as the one real player (N64 version had license though).

Basically, Nintendo should just make another Ken Griffey Jr. Baseball (perhaps using a player that currently plays for Mariners (they still have 10% stake in club) such as Cano.

Yeah, it's sad but true.  The original RBI Baseball was developed by Namco as "Family Stadium" for the Famicom.  It came over to the NES in 1988 as RBI Baseball developed by Atari Games and published by their subsidiary Tengen.  It had annual releases from 1990-1994.  The annual releases that started up in 2014 to present are far removed from the series' roots.  These abominations are developed in house by the MLB under their MLBAdvancedMedia division.  The 2017 version features no online play, no created players, and doesn't even have something as simple as a trade player feature.  I gave it a shot on Nintendo Switch, but it is awful.  I've heard that its equally bad on XBoxOne and PS4.  When NES games released almost 30 years ago are more feature complete, there is a definite problem.

There were a lot of good baseball games back in the day.  I remember borrowing and enjoying Tecmo Baseball, Bad New Baseball (also Tecmo), and Baseball Stars by SNK.  I liked Baseball Stars so much that I bought my friend's copy and got years of enjoyment out of it.  The Genesis baseball game I remember playing back in the day was Tony La Russa Baseball.  Again, this was a friend's game, as they were much bigger baseball fans than I am.  I also liked 3DO's High Heat Baseball a lot.  I had High Heat 2004 on the original Xbox.

But yeah, somebody should definitely step into the void.  Because if you don't own a PS4, there is literally no good option for playing a baseball game.  Which means there is an untapped market on 2 out of 3 consoles.  It doesn't have to be a graphics dynamo.  Just a good game.  Which Power Pro definitely is.



Mandalore76 said:
Insidb said:

When EA had the license, things were best. Now that they don't, only Sony wants to invest in making an MLB game for their consoles. 

Keep in mind the time period: this was only 3 years ago, when the WiiU was not selling well and only Sony was making their own MLB game.

The Show is about 11 years old, so it was really easy for Sony to just keep producing iterations.

Yeah, one of the articles I was reading yesterday, when looking into the licensing, pointed out the irony of the NFL and MLB licensing situation.  EA signed the exclusive deal with the NFL that made Madden the only officially licensed football game, forcing 2K to cancel it's NFL 2K series.  In retaliation, 2K signed the 3rd Party licensing agreement with MLB that forced EA to end it's MLB MVP series.  2K at the time was considered the better football game developer, and EA was the better baseball game developer.  So they actually both screwed each other out of what they did best.  2K realized this and discontinued their baseball series after MLB 2K13 and have stuck with having the premier NBA game and also the WWE as their tent-pole sports franchises.  Meanwhile, EA continues to hold exclusive rights to the NFL, and also have FIFA, NHL, and NBA franchises.  Therefore, they don't see the necessity to re-build a baseball game from the ground up at this point.  In the end, EA unwittingly pushed themselves out of the baseball market the day they signed the football (NFL) contract.  

Do you play baseball games? The High Heat/MVP Baseball era was a true golden age.

I'm not a huge fan of the show, but maybe I just suck too much now lol.



Mandalore76 said:
sethnintendo said:

Well that sucks... Main thing I learned from this thread is that RBI Baseball name now is associated to a shitty game. You know it used to be good on the NES... Sega used to make pretty good baseball games with World Series Baseball back in the day.

Speaking of a really good non licensed game that I enjoyed when I was a kid... Tommy Lasorda Baseball on the Genesis. The first Ken Griffey Jr. Baseball was also pretty damn good even though it only had Griffey as the one real player (N64 version had license though).

Basically, Nintendo should just make another Ken Griffey Jr. Baseball (perhaps using a player that currently plays for Mariners (they still have 10% stake in club) such as Cano.

Yeah, it's sad but true.  The original RBI Baseball was developed by Namco as "Family Stadium" for the Famicom.  It came over to the NES in 1988 as RBI Baseball developed by Atari Games and published by their subsidiary Tengen.  It had annual releases from 1990-1994.  The annual releases that started up in 2014 to present are far removed from the series' roots.  These abominations are developed in house by the MLB under their MLBAdvancedMedia division.  The 2017 version features no online play, no created players, and doesn't even have something as simple as a trade player feature.  I gave it a shot on Nintendo Switch, but it is awful.  I've heard that its equally bad on XBoxOne and PS4.  When NES games released almost 30 years ago are more feature complete, there is a definite problem.

There were a lot of good baseball games back in the day.  I remember borrowing and enjoying Tecmo Baseball, Bad New Baseball (also Tecmo), and Baseball Stars by SNK.  I liked Baseball Stars so much that I bought my friend's copy and got years of enjoyment out of it.  The Genesis baseball game I remember playing back in the day was Tony La Russa Baseball.  Again, this was a friend's game, as they were much bigger baseball fans than I am.  I also liked 3DO's High Heat Baseball a lot.  I had High Heat 2004 on the original Xbox.

But yeah, somebody should definitely step into the void.  Because if you don't own a PS4, there is literally no good option for playing a baseball game.  Which means there is an untapped market on 2 out of 3 consoles.  It doesn't have to be a graphics dynamo.  Just a good game.  Which Power Pro definitely is.

Yea, I had RBI 1 (fat character sprites) and RBI 3.  I believe RBI 3 was pinnacle for me on the NES for a baseball game.  I probably played 2 perhaps rented or at a friends but don't remember much from it. 

One game that was interesting but didn't really play that well gameplay wise compared to other baseball games at the time was Roger Clemens Baseball.  I just remember that the viewing angles were different than most baseball games at the time.  It kind of reminded me like a John Elway's Quarterback on NES.  A game that tried to be different and gave a decent attempt at it but just fell through in other areas.  In case of John Elway's Quarterback it was just damn tough to move the fucking ball consistently.  The AI wasn't smart it was just cheap.  Game was obviously flawed when compared to Tecmo Bowl.



Insidb said:
Mandalore76 said:

Yeah, one of the articles I was reading yesterday, when looking into the licensing, pointed out the irony of the NFL and MLB licensing situation.  EA signed the exclusive deal with the NFL that made Madden the only officially licensed football game, forcing 2K to cancel it's NFL 2K series.  In retaliation, 2K signed the 3rd Party licensing agreement with MLB that forced EA to end it's MLB MVP series.  2K at the time was considered the better football game developer, and EA was the better baseball game developer.  So they actually both screwed each other out of what they did best.  2K realized this and discontinued their baseball series after MLB 2K13 and have stuck with having the premier NBA game and also the WWE as their tent-pole sports franchises.  Meanwhile, EA continues to hold exclusive rights to the NFL, and also have FIFA, NHL, and NBA franchises.  Therefore, they don't see the necessity to re-build a baseball game from the ground up at this point.  In the end, EA unwittingly pushed themselves out of the baseball market the day they signed the football (NFL) contract.  

Do you play baseball games? The High Heat/MVP Baseball era was a true golden age.

I'm not a huge fan of the show, but maybe I just suck too much now lol.

I used to a lot more.  My friends are bigger baseball fans than I am, so they would bring their games over a lot back in the day.  I did own a few of my own though over the years.  The oldest would be Color Baseball on TRS-80 Color Computer 2!  I did have High Heat 2004 on the original Xbox.  And yes, that was a great baseball sim.  I enjoyed that one a lot, and I do recall being very disappointed to find out that was the last one released in the series.  Apparently, Microsoft bought the rights to the High Heat series when 3DO went bankrupt, but never actually did anything with the franchise.

I've never played any of The Show games.  My last Play Station was PS2.  I think I was onto the 360 before The Show started.

Last edited by Mandalore76 - on 07 December 2017