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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
TallSilhouette said:
How has this become normal? How has this become tolerable for the highest office in the country?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/18/politics/donald-trump-twitter-sunday/index.html

Its crazy how much importance is put into shittalking on twitter by our elected and newsources,next we might find them commenting on youtube under the latest Ben Shapiro video.



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Immersiveunreality said:
TallSilhouette said:
How has this become normal? How has this become tolerable for the highest office in the country?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/18/politics/donald-trump-twitter-sunday/index.html

Its crazy how much importance is put into shittalking on twitter by our elected and newsources,next we might find them commenting on youtube under the latest Ben Shapiro video.

Democrats still haven't got over their loss in the election more than two years later.



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Immersiveunreality said:
TallSilhouette said:
How has this become normal? How has this become tolerable for the highest office in the country?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/18/politics/donald-trump-twitter-sunday/index.html

Its crazy how much importance is put into shittalking on twitter by our elected and newsources,next we might find them commenting on youtube under the latest Ben Shapiro video.

Probably because Trump has actually dictated policy from Twitter.  You cannot dismiss the President of the United States making public comments on Twitter as if it doesn't have weight.  Its officially from him and the implementations saying the wrong thing has consequences.  So yes, if the President uses Twitter, Youtube or any form of media to put out his message its as good as any source.  I really cannot believe you are trying to say it doesn't have an impact.



Machiavellian said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Its crazy how much importance is put into shittalking on twitter by our elected and newsources,next we might find them commenting on youtube under the latest Ben Shapiro video.

Probably because Trump has actually dictated policy from Twitter.  You cannot dismiss the President of the United States making public comments on Twitter as if it doesn't have weight.  Its officially from him and the implementations saying the wrong thing has consequences.  So yes, if the President uses Twitter, Youtube or any form of media to put out his message its as good as any source.  I really cannot believe you are trying to say it doesn't have an impact.

Bolded: Do not give me a narrative that isnt mine,i never said that.

I do think that there is too much focus put on social media reactions yes, and it ofcourse has an impact but do the consequences resolve even sporadically into something fruitfull other than the current trend of feeding echochambers? Highly doubtfull its worth all the division over dumb tweets so again i do think there is too much focus on trivial blabber on social media by all sides and not just the Trump "side" that popped up before your eyes when reading my comment.



Immersiveunreality said:
Machiavellian said:

Probably because Trump has actually dictated policy from Twitter.  You cannot dismiss the President of the United States making public comments on Twitter as if it doesn't have weight.  Its officially from him and the implementations saying the wrong thing has consequences.  So yes, if the President uses Twitter, Youtube or any form of media to put out his message its as good as any source.  I really cannot believe you are trying to say it doesn't have an impact.

Bolded: Do not give me a narrative that isnt mine,i never said that.

I do think that there is too much focus put on social media reactions yes, and it ofcourse has an impact but do the consequences resolve even sporadically into something fruitfull other than the current trend of feeding echochambers? Highly doubtfull its worth all the division over dumb tweets so again i do think there is too much focus on trivial blabber on social media by all sides and not just the Trump "side" that popped up before your eyes when reading my comment.

My statement that the President of the US cannot just throw out shittalking on any media and not expect it to be official which it is.  There is no person within our government that can just throw out any sort of comment on any media and it not be official from them.  I have no clue where you are going with this because it pretty common for any individual whether they are the President or just your average joe.  So yes, someone who is in a government position as high as the President does not get the benefit of the doubt when they use any media to put out their thoughts.  So I still do not understand where you are coming from.  If someone want their own echochamber then they should make their stuff private.  For Public officials they do not have this option so they should understand the impact when they do use such media.



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Machiavellian said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Bolded: Do not give me a narrative that isnt mine,i never said that.

I do think that there is too much focus put on social media reactions yes, and it ofcourse has an impact but do the consequences resolve even sporadically into something fruitfull other than the current trend of feeding echochambers? Highly doubtfull its worth all the division over dumb tweets so again i do think there is too much focus on trivial blabber on social media by all sides and not just the Trump "side" that popped up before your eyes when reading my comment.

My statement that the President of the US cannot just throw out shittalking on any media and not expect it to be official which it is.  There is no person within our government that can just throw out any sort of comment on any media and it not be official from them.  I have no clue where you are going with this because it pretty common for any individual whether they are the President or just your average joe.  So yes, someone who is in a government position as high as the President does not get the benefit of the doubt when they use any media to put out their thoughts.  So I still do not understand where you are coming from.  If someone want their own echochamber then they should make their stuff private.  For Public officials they do not have this option so they should understand the impact when they do use such media.

Bolded one: I both agree with that statement and still believe that there is an overal too much focus on dumb tweets

Bolded second: It would be argueable that there can be a difference in the magnitude of hyperbole considering political views but that is another topic

Bolded third: You took me out of context and you just keep going not understanding the first comment i made so keep it at that or stop argueing about things besides the matter.



TallSilhouette said:
How has this become normal? How has this become tolerable for the highest office in the country?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/18/politics/donald-trump-twitter-sunday/index.html

It shouldn't be.  It's far from normal but many have come to not only accept it as 'presidential' but they actually support the rhetoric he speaks. And they want more of it. And it's incredibly disheartening to see the acceptance of the deterioration, the disrepair, the perversion and the disgrace that the office of the President of the United States has become.

And it's even more discouraging that some people will turn a complete blind eye to his rhetoric and the policies that harm others so long as it puts a few extra dollars on their check each week.

Greed and ego personified...that is Trump.  And sadly that is virtuous for many.



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Immersiveunreality said:
Machiavellian said:

My statement that the President of the US cannot just throw out shittalking on any media and not expect it to be official which it is.  There is no person within our government that can just throw out any sort of comment on any media and it not be official from them.  I have no clue where you are going with this because it pretty common for any individual whether they are the President or just your average joe.  So yes, someone who is in a government position as high as the President does not get the benefit of the doubt when they use any media to put out their thoughts.  So I still do not understand where you are coming from.  If someone want their own echochamber then they should make their stuff private.  For Public officials they do not have this option so they should understand the impact when they do use such media.

Bolded one: I both agree with that statement and still believe that there is an overal too much focus on dumb tweets

Bolded second: It would be argueable that there can be a difference in the magnitude of hyperbole considering political views but that is another topic

Bolded third: You took me out of context and you just keep going not understanding the first comment i made so keep it at that or stop argueing about things besides the matter.

Maybe you should clarify the point you made in your first comment, so he can understand it better and to stop talking past each other?



TallSilhouette said:
How has this become normal? How has this become tolerable for the highest office in the country?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/18/politics/donald-trump-twitter-sunday/index.html

Trump is a genuine madman. That is all. 

The funny thing is that I tend to read reports, cross-reference data and claims, hear about his antics through twitter, and experience 90% of his actions through a third party. I don't live in America, I'm not directly linked to him in any way, I don't watch TV so I don't see him speak, and very little of my understanding of his shittiness comes from direct experience with him. 

However...after actually seeing the man speak, after actually watching some of his speeches I'm even more astounded that anyone could vote for him. I don't know how anyone can stand to be near him without smacking him upside the head and telling him to shut the fuck up. I don't know how he's not banned from social media platforms or kicked out of country clubs. The man is verifiably unhinged, unintelligent, and sad and pathetic in virtually every way. 

There are so many ways the man is pathetic. From his 'traditional right-wing' policies (The basics wherein brown people of all kinds are hated, women aren't respected, the only religion that has a right to exist is christianity, Gays and trans folk don't deserve rights, healthcare is a luxury, rich people deserve more tax breaks, Gun rights are more important than safety, and all this 'America First' rhetoric) to his personality, he's a mess. Even without his abhorrent beliefs on shithole countries or whether or not trans people are real, listening to his talk is the rantings of a delusional wanker. 

I don't want to go off on an ad-hominem rant about how his personality devalues his points - those points are disgusting enough on their own to do that - but all things considered he's just the worst kind of person short of actual murderers and rapists. Trying to suffer through one of his speeches is the sort of ordeal that makes me think like I'm in a bad movie. He lies about everything, rolls from one lie to the next without a second thought, is wrong about the stuff he doesn't outright lie about, Refuses to acknowledge even the slightest hint of wrongdoing, rambles on about absolutely nothing, recites the same broken rhetoric repeatedly, and is clearly not intelligent. Half the time he has no idea what he's talking about, making him woefully ill-equipped to be in such a position of power, and the other half of the time he's lying or trying to bolster his reputation or whining about how mean people are to him. 

He's an unhinged madman, a juvenile brat of a trust fund baby, and an intellectually deficient fool. 

Regardless of his party's platform, he himself is a terrible, stupid man. A pathological liar of a madman and woefully unfit for office. The fact that there are people out there who have faith in him as a person saddens me. The idea that people care more about witholding healthcare and hating muslims and building some stupid, stupid wall than having a president that actually conducts himself with any sort of respect and poise is rage-inducing.

And his existence and further perpetuation in pop culture is a reminder of just how DIFFERENT the American Left and the American Right truly are.

Obama was a respectful, mature man with dignity and poise. He conducted himself with respect and honour, he acted as the president should. You may not like some of the democratic policies he championed (or lets be honest, most people hated that he was black and democratic, not that he himself was a bad person or believed bad things), but the man himself commanded proper respect. you can't say that about trump. And if you care more about 'upsetting the status quo' by electing someone who's 'not like other politicians' just for the sake of trying something new without any care for policies or societal progress or healthcare or tax reform or equality or equal rights....well, you're a terrible person. Not you, TallSilhouette, but in general. 

If you support Donald Trump - be it his regressive political stance or his unhinged immature personality - you are a bad person. 

You can like republicans, you can prefer the concept of right-wing politics (LEss government interference or regulation in your day to day lives), but modern Republicans and Trump Especially are utter trash people. Disgusting, unqualified bigots who hate women and brown people and gays and any religion that isn't christianity. Right wing and Left wing policies need to be intermingled, balanced, and shared with compromise, but Trump is a monster and his modern republican followers are all deplorable and will be looked back upon with the same scorn we see the confederates or yes, even the nazis. It's okay to want change, it's not okay if that change takes rights or respect or healthcare from others. 

Ethics are surprisingly straightforward, I'm astounded that modern Republicans are, almost uniformly, on the wrong side of history on that and Trump is their ignorant, bigoted, hateful, immature figurehead. 



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Immersiveunreality said:
Machiavellian said:

My statement that the President of the US cannot just throw out shittalking on any media and not expect it to be official which it is.  There is no person within our government that can just throw out any sort of comment on any media and it not be official from them.  I have no clue where you are going with this because it pretty common for any individual whether they are the President or just your average joe.  So yes, someone who is in a government position as high as the President does not get the benefit of the doubt when they use any media to put out their thoughts.  So I still do not understand where you are coming from.  If someone want their own echochamber then they should make their stuff private.  For Public officials they do not have this option so they should understand the impact when they do use such media.

Bolded one: I both agree with that statement and still believe that there is an overal too much focus on dumb tweets

Bolded second: It would be argueable that there can be a difference in the magnitude of hyperbole considering political views but that is another topic

Bolded third: You took me out of context and you just keep going not understanding the first comment i made so keep it at that or stop argueing about things besides the matter.

Hmmm, just to be clear, your first point is that people knee jerk when someone makes comments on social media and we all should not take it seriously.  Am I correct in my assessment of your first statement.  If I am correct of your first statement then I disagree.  I come from the background where when someone shows you who they are you should believe them.  The apologies and so forth after they realize what they said are reactions to backlash then any true feelings.  So when someone takes the time to write out something, they put though to it and it reveals their true self in my opinion.