VGPolyglot said:
Ah, you have no political ideology, so why should I take any of what you say seriously? And it is done by taking over the workplace. |
" And it is done by taking over the workplace."
ok so you take over the work place and afterwards supposedly people will still be free to develop their businesses in whatever way they wish correct?
what then stops successful businesses from expanding and dominating the environment until we get back to where i assume you believe we're at now?
Goodnightmoon said:
This level of ignorance in 2017 is embarrassing, Nazis were never leftist, learn some history. |
It's true, "socialist" is in the full name of "Nazi," though it's pretty much Socialist in name only, as the Nazi's were a far right Fascist regime.
But also important to point out - what's considered "left and right" in general is somewhat fluid and relative depending on the region and period of time. While it's true the Nazi's were indeed a representation of the extreme right in Europe several decades ago, they arguably (at least in my view) have more in common with the modern American extreme/Authoritarian left than the current American right wing or even Authoritarian right wing - between the far left's desire for a large, often imposing government; not to mention on a cultural level, their current obsession with censorship and a hierarchy of identity politics, even to the point of street-level thugs (Antifa) imposing their idea of law and acceptable speech through force, driven ultimately by large corporate interests/media. Sounds like some of the hallmarks of Fascism to me.. Not saying they're the current iteration of Nazi's or anything but they probably skew a bit closer to their ideology than many realize..
At the end of the day, yeah the Nazi's were a far right regime through the scope of 1930's European politics, but far right politics in Europe have very little to do with conservative politics in America for instance, or even current far right politics in America. History is never that black and white.
There is also the factor of "Horseshoe Theory" to consider, which is essentially that once you approach the extreme ends of EITHER side of the spectrum, the lines really start to blur and they actually resemble eachother a great deal. So you could say the Nazi's bear the hallmarks of both the far right and far left.
So while the statement "Nazi's were leftists" is an oversimplification that is mostly false, I do believe there is some validity to it. (I Have a degree in History btw :P)
Last edited by DarthMetalliCube - on 27 November 2017
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DarthMetalliCube said:
It's true, "socialist" is in the full name of "Nazi," though it's pretty much Socialist in name only, as the Nazi's were a far right Fascist regime. But also important to point out - what's considered "left and right" in general is somewhat fluid and relative depending on the region and period of time. While it's true the Nazi's were indeed a representation of the extreme right in Europe several decades ago, they arguably (at least in my view) have more in common with the modern American extreme/Authoritarian left than the current American right wing or even Authoritarian right wing - between the far left's desire for a large, often imposing government; not to mention on a cultural level, their current obsession with censorship and a hierarchy of identity politics, even to the point of street-level thugs (Antifa) imposing their idea of law and acceptable speech through force, driven ultimately by large corporate interests/media. Sounds like some of the hallmarks of Fascism to me.. Not saying they're the current iteration of Nazi's or anything but they probably skew a bit closer to their ideology than many realize.. At the end of the day, yeah the Nazi's were a far right regime through the scope of 1930's European politics, but far right politics in Europe have very little to do with conservative politics in America for instance, or even current far right politics in America. History is never that black and white. There is also the factor of "Horseshoe Theory" to consider, which is essentially that once you approach the extreme ends of EITHER side of the spectrum, the lines really start to blur and they actually resemble eachother a great deal. So you could say the Nazi's bear the hallmarks of both the far right and far left. So while the statement "Nazi's were leftists" is an oversimplification that is mostly false, I do believe there is some validity to it. (I Have a degree in History btw :P) |
I always took horseshoe theory to mean that big government can become tyrannical on either side of the political spectrum given the right circumstances. Does it have uses outside of politics?
DarthMetalliCube said:
It's true, "socialist" is in the full name of "Nazi," though it's pretty much Socialist in name only, as the Nazi's were a far right Fascist regime. But also important to point out - what's considered "left and right" in general is somewhat fluid and relative depending on the region and period of time. While it's true the Nazi's were indeed a representation of the extreme right in Europe several decades ago, they arguably (at least in my view) have more in common with the modern American extreme/Authoritarian left than the current American right wing or even Authoritarian right wing - between the far left's desire for a large, often imposing government; not to mention on a cultural level, their current obsession with censorship and a hierarchy of identity politics, even to the point of street-level thugs (Antifa) imposing their idea of law and acceptable speech through force, driven ultimately by large corporate interests/media. Sounds like some of the hallmarks of Fascism to me.. Not saying they're the current iteration of Nazi's or anything but they probably skew a bit closer to their ideology than many realize.. At the end of the day, yeah the Nazi's were a far right regime through the scope of 1930's European politics, but far right politics in Europe have very little to do with conservative politics in America for instance, or even current far right politics in America. History is never that black and white. There is also the factor of "Horseshoe Theory" to consider, which is essentially that once you approach the extreme ends of EITHER side of the spectrum, the lines really start to blur and they actually resemble eachother a great deal. So you could say the Nazi's bear the hallmarks of both the far right and far left. So while the statement "Nazi's were leftists" is an oversimplification that is mostly false, I do believe there is some validity to it. (I Have a degree in History btw :P) |
The Nazis actually had a good amount of social programs. The point here isn't that Nazi didn't employ socialist policies, it's that just because Nazis did something social doesn't mean it's automatically bad.
Arguing that something is bad just because a bad person did it is something only an idiot would use in an argument.
If you demand respect or gratitude for your volunteer work, you're doing volunteering wrong.
Uh, this victimisation is getting out of hand and it makes it worse for real victims to be taken seriously. It's not helping.
DarthMetalliCube said:
It's true, "socialist" is in the full name of "Nazi," though it's pretty much Socialist in name only, as the Nazi's were a far right Fascist regime. But also important to point out - what's considered "left and right" in general is somewhat fluid and relative depending on the region and period of time. While it's true the Nazi's were indeed a representation of the extreme right in Europe several decades ago, they arguably (at least in my view) have more in common with the modern American extreme/Authoritarian left than the current American right wing or even Authoritarian right wing - between the far left's desire for a large, often imposing government; not to mention on a cultural level, their current obsession with censorship and a hierarchy of identity politics, even to the point of street-level thugs (Antifa) imposing their idea of law and acceptable speech through force, driven ultimately by large corporate interests/media. Sounds like some of the hallmarks of Fascism to me.. Not saying they're the current iteration of Nazi's or anything but they probably skew a bit closer to their ideology than many realize.. At the end of the day, yeah the Nazi's were a far right regime through the scope of 1930's European politics, but far right politics in Europe have very little to do with conservative politics in America for instance, or even current far right politics in America. History is never that black and white. There is also the factor of "Horseshoe Theory" to consider, which is essentially that once you approach the extreme ends of EITHER side of the spectrum, the lines really start to blur and they actually resemble eachother a great deal. So you could say the Nazi's bear the hallmarks of both the far right and far left. So while the statement "Nazi's were leftists" is an oversimplification that is mostly false, I do believe there is some validity to it. (I Have a degree in History btw :P) |
why do you consider nazism to be far right?
i see a lot of parallels between the support hitler had and the support the far left has right now
the difference being that the oppressor group instead of being jews is now white men
o_O.Q said:
why do you consider nazism to be far right? i see a lot of parallels between the support hitler had and the support the far left has right now the difference being that the oppressor group instead of being jews is now white men |
LMFAO
It takes a lot of courage to say such an incredibly stupid thing with this ease, congratulations
o_O.Q said:
why do you consider nazism to be far right? i see a lot of parallels between the support hitler had and the support the far left has right now the difference being that the oppressor group instead of being jews is now white men |
Ah, so that's what this is all about.
Goodnightmoon said:
LMFAO |
can you explain rationally how what i typed was stupid?... i'd bet my left arm that you can't
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This level of ignorance in 2017 is embarrassing, Nazis were never leftist, learn some history. |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcinzmfZeCc
what was the aim of the nazi regime and what does leftism entail from your perspective? lets start there"
just like how here you knew you couldn't rationally address my question and as a result you just ignored it
resorting to calling people who disagree with you stupid without engaging their arguments is ironically the tactic of a stupid person... bravo
VGPolyglot said:
Ah, so that's what this is all about. |
i'm a black man and even if i wasn't what i posted is the truth and you have admitted it yourself
you have said for example that the hierarchies of western civilisations are all dominated by men to the detriment of women, who you have said are at the bottom of the social and economic pecking order
you haven't specified white men but other people with your political ideology have on many many occasions
stating that women and minorities cannot advance because they are oppressed by white supremacy and patriarchy
its amazing to me how you are buying into an ideology that you don't have the slightest understanding of... jesus christ man open your eyes and look at the nonsense for what it is
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