So all of those things are ok in your opinion?

" I haven't seen any of this"

ok

"Do you think fighting harassment is going against freedom them?"

obviously it is, you are trying to restrict someone from performing an action, what is that defined as?

this (restriction of freedom) obviously has to happen to have a functioning society, but my point is that if taken too far (restriction of freedom) it leads to serious problems

"Why bother trying to change anything if suffering is going to happen anyway in the end?"

well you try to change things in a fashion that takes into consideration the complexity of a situation and with the understanding that you cannot make things perfect

"do you think we should just accept it?"

it scares me that you think we can do otherwise

"There are many occasions where people would like to be selfish and act for their own benefit, but we've managed to largely eliminate the related problems."

if that was the case crime and oppression would not exist, they do because its a fundamental flaw in people and we are also driven to act selfishly because of occasional environmental conditions

i'd say that people routinely act in selfish ways, but the opposite is also true

" You haven't. However, you haven't given a single hint as to why we should fight harassment"

we should fight harassment because people suffer when exposed to it... i mean i figured that goes without saying but whatever

" Would you behave similarly if this discussion was about murder and murder was as common as harassment is"

murder is as common as harassment is, its just that most people don't care, look at the middle east and all of the innocent people that have been killed over there to prop up the us economy as an example

"Education, yes. Improving consciousness also helps"

you think education can cause people to become less self serving? why? tbh in many cases i've noticed the opposite, that the more educated people become, the more they seek to put a gap between themselves and those less fortunate than them

and i'm speaking specifically of education through institutions

"because people are more likely to put up a fight like we've already seen."

this part i absolutely agree with, we need to teach people to take more personal responsibility for their safety and to fight back when they are facing oppression, i'm absolutely in line with this

"Anyway, my point was what it seemed like to me because you've been quite unwilling to even try to do anything about the situation."

this is a strawman i asked you to propose a viable strategy for eliminating harassment since i personally cannot think of one (and the idea that you can educate people to not be self serving is i think silly ), your proposal that we have would be victims be more proactive about their safety is a measure i think would help the situation

but the problem is that whenever someone proposes that people be more proactive about protecting themselves naive people retort that its "victim blaming" and that all measures must be taken on the attacker side

Yes. I have called for the death of Trump, Scott Pruitt, and racists. I'm not going to pretend I've never been in the wrong

tbh i think you're being delusional, any time someone has done any of what you described, the mods immediately banned them

..ok lets use this thread as an example, you claim that there are people in here who are defending sexual harassment, can you quote the posts you are referring to?

"do you think we should just accept it?"

it scares me that you think we can do otherwise

I have a reply but I'll wait until I'm on a computer to do it since I wrote the entire thing just for the site to reload and erase anything... so I'll be back in a couple to reply to this properly

assuming this is in reply to me stating that it scares me that he thinks we can educate people to not be self serving occasionally, what argument do you have?

how do you propose we force people to serve the needs of their community over their own needs at all times?

not only is this idea silly but i don't even think it'd be desirable, sometimes people should focus more on themselves than others, particularly when they are in a weak position comparatively

to give an example that strikes more at home i've seen people on this forum joke often about using pornography, which is a selfish act that leads to the exploitation of women, what are your thoughts on that? should everyone be prevented from using pornography so women are not exploited?

Pornography in and of itself isn't sexist against women I'd say, but the way the industry is run definitely is. And preventing people from watching porn isn't going to solve the problem, much like banning drugs and forcing people into jail for possession and use of them hasn't worked.

lol are you being serious right now? pornography isn't sexist?

pornography reduces women down to sexual objects for the consumption of men primarily, there is pretty much no other field i can think of that's more sexist

" preventing people from watching porn isn't going to solve the problem"

isn't going to solve which problem?

destroying the pornography industry destroys the exploitation of women perpetuated in that industry

i didn't say preventing people from watching pornography, i'm talking about destroying the industry which can easily be done by stopping people from being able to build websites that sell pornography

if people have the medium through which they distribute pornography destroyed then the industry would collapse, you can't compare that to the drug trade since porn relies on websites that are published for public consumption

Well, I do have to correct you here, since we can already see that merely the statement of pornography means male-female sex. There is also male-male pornography. I said pornography isn't in and of itself sexist, because one, women don't even have to be involved, and 2, it can be done with the complete consent of the woman, like amateur porn. Of course though, the way the industry works is definitely sexist. I also say stopping people from watching porn isn't going to solve the problem, because much like drugs, there will be a black market of it, and then women themselves will end up getting punished for participating in it, like they do for prostitution, so it will not help them.