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ArchangelMadzz on 17 November 2017
zorg1000 said:
quickrick said:

switch did below 290k for october, not impressive results at all. OP should be updated.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/1079565/

PS4 Oct 2014-297k

PS4 Oct 2015-275k

PS4 Oct 2016-235k

Yep, its so unimpressive........

Or you could blatantly ignore that PS4 actually lost October 2016 and 2015 therefore...



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zorg1000 on 17 November 2017
ArchangelMadzz said:
zorg1000 said:

PS4 Oct 2014-297k

PS4 Oct 2015-275k

PS4 Oct 2016-235k

Yep, its so unimpressive........

Or you could blatantly ignore that PS4 actually lost October 2016 and 2015 therefore...

Im not ignoring that, its just not relevant to what i said, if Switch sales in Oct are unimpressive than that means PS4 never had an impressive Oct.

Even if we include XBO which did 300-320k in Oct 2015/2016, thats barely higher than PS4/Switch so its sales really werent impressive either.



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DonFerrari on 17 November 2017
torok said:
Aura7541 said:

Gamestop will also be selling the Pro for $349 starting on Thanksgiving.

I think it could be an issue for X1X. But I'm not really convinced that these upgraded units will increase the user base. They seem more fit to early adopters that have consoles since launch and would be at risk of getting bored. So they double dip. Probably after the gen ends, the base models will be showing too much their age and the price cuts will make the pro versions seem more attractive.

For now, I believe the big fight is X1S vs PS4 Slim. I'm not sure if Switch fights for sales with them or if it is appealing to an entirely different demography. Since PS4 sales haven't fallen from a cliff and those millions of Switch consumers have to come from somewhere, I guess the second scenario is most likely. I also wonder if we don't have a lot of double owners, PS4/X1 gamers also getting a Switch.

Well Sony have spooke that PS4P had a good mix of new customer and upgrades one, I believe it was like 40% upgrades. Don't have the source, would need to google it.

zorg1000 said:
quickrick said:

October is always a fight between xbone and ps4, but switch is a new console, that just recently has good stock, launching with a gigantic title, so in context it's not impressive, and you look at predictions threads, nobody expected sales this low.

XBO - 329k oct 2016

XBO: 303k oct 2015

Ya i got it, doing comparable numbers as PS4/XBO in Oct is bad.

How did he say it was bad when pointing out that Switch doing near PS4/X1 did in October? Switch have been doing better numbers than PS4 most NPDs this year, so it being ahead by not much is the definition of unimpressive, since it was EXPECTED.

Zekkyou said:
DonFerrari said:

The issue is that this is the best year of PS4 ever... so if he was comparing to PS4 first year this would make the difference more in favor of Switch.

PS4 is doing good numbers, but comparing to last gen we have PS4 and X1 doing good instead of only X360 doing great. But you are right, it will be kinda hard for PS4 to cross the 40M on USA alone. And if switch keep doing these good numbers on the gen end we may have PS4, X1 and Switch closer than any 3 consoles have ever been in USA.

That's the thing, it wasn't just the 360. Everyone was pulling in relatively big numbers. The PS3 managed 29m, the 360 49m, the Wii 45m, the DS 57m, and the PSP 21m. It was a crazy time, and shows that there is a lot of room between what consoles are doing right now in NA and what's been repeatedly shown as possible.

Well I'm considering only consoles and the fact that Wii sold to a market that isn't the same as PS/Xbox I would consider the sum of PS3+360 what PS4+X1 could get on USA this gen. And since both are very close it isn't hard to see something like 40M PS4 and 35M X1 and having a kinda flat gen.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 17 November 2017
zorg1000 said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Or you could blatantly ignore that PS4 actually lost October 2016 and 2015 therefore...

Im not ignoring that, its just not relevant to what i said, if Switch sales in Oct are unimpressive than that means PS4 never had an impressive Oct.

Even if we include XBO which did 300-320k in Oct 2015/2016, thats barely higher than PS4/Switch so its sales really werent impressive either.

You are that type of people that think mediocre is bad instead of average and unimpressive to be bad instead of expected?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

JSG87 on 17 November 2017

Guys he literally said after the post he made that he had no numbers. Am I missing something?



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quickrick on 17 November 2017
JSG87 said:
Guys he literally said after the post he made that he had no numbers. Am I missing something?

which post? you must have posters mixed up.



zorg1000 on 17 November 2017
DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

Im not ignoring that, its just not relevant to what i said, if Switch sales in Oct are unimpressive than that means PS4 never had an impressive Oct.

Even if we include XBO which did 300-320k in Oct 2015/2016, thats barely higher than PS4/Switch so its sales really werent impressive either.

You are that type of people that think mediocre is bad instead of average and unimpressive to be bad instead of expected?

No i just know when people are downplaying.

Look at his post history, hes been a member for less than a week with about 100 posts.

Hes not a Nintendo gamer yet over 90% of his posts are negative comments about Nintendo.

That's a pretty clear indication that he has an agenda.

 

2nd post since joining was Doom port is disappointing/worst case scenario.

3rd post, Switch sales drop hard next year.

9th post, Switch sales will drop hard next year.

10th post, Switch sales will drop hard next year.

In the LA Noire thread: Doom runs like a turd

"Selling on par with PS4/XBO in their best Oct is unimpressive"

 

You can see this behavior in almsot every post from him, hes a lowkey troll and very likely an alt.



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Lawlight on 17 November 2017
tbone51 said:
Lawlight said:

Didn't you say that Switch will overtake the PS4 in October?

I thought it would, whoooooops.... How about you? Dont you move goalpost everytime u get the chance

I said “if the difference between the PS4 and the Switch is 150k in September then there’s no way the Switch would pass the PS4 in October”. Not sure why you thought the Switch would outsell the PS4 by that much, even with the stock issues solved in September and SMO being released.



tbone51 on 17 November 2017
Lawlight said:
tbone51 said:

I thought it would, whoooooops.... How about you? Dont you move goalpost everytime u get the chance

I said “if the difference between the PS4 and the Switch is 150k in September then there’s no way the Switch would pass the PS4 in October”. Not sure why you thought the Switch would outsell the PS4 by that much, even with the stock issues solved in September and SMO being released.

Your rigjt i guess nov or dec it is then



Lawlight on 17 November 2017
zorg1000 said:
quickrick said:

October is always a fight between xbone and ps4, but switch is a new console, that just recently has good stock, launching with a gigantic title, so in context it's not impressive, and you look at predictions threads, nobody expected sales this low.

XBO - 329k oct 2016

XBO: 303k oct 2015

Ya i got it, doing comparable numbers as PS4/XBO in Oct is bad.

I don’t think he’s saying it’s bad. But it hasn’t done as well as people expected it to.