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RolStoppable said:
LurkerJ said:

Didn't he do that for a lot of other topics? For example, the mere mention of VGC there grants you a ban. I also would understand why didn't he want the topic to be discussed at all even if he was innocent.

Are you familiar with Kesha and Dr Luke (her music producer)?

She's a trashy pop singer who buried her music producer's career and turned his life into a living hell. Everyone sided with her, even though her allegations were never proven right and she has lost every battle in court so far. Not only that, but as the case went on, evidence emerged that she did hit on the guy numerous times and she had to change the premise of her entire case against him.

Non of that mattered in the end, she's still viewed as the victim and Dr Luke is the sleazy bastard, despite never being proven guilty. She ruined his life completely and all it took was making headlines by crying in public. She released an album lately and her shit was celebrated with no regard to the fact that she obviously used the "rape" card to get out of her contract. Imagine how Dr Luke felt, when all of his kids got to hear from the media, was that their father is a rapist, and not the whole truth.

Anyway, I am not invested and I am not defending the neogaf headmod, or whatever his position there is. All I am trying to say is that in this day and age you can be labelled as "x" just because a bunch of overly sensitive bloggers decided to smear you.

The other instances of censorship don't explain why a number of mods quit their jobs in light of the accusation and the ensuing instructions. Somebody who has power and uses it to get an unfair advantage (e.g. censoring all unfavorable or contrarian opinions), that's exactly the mentality that can lead to an incident as described by the accuser.

I am not familiar with Kesha and Dr Luke. Of course there are women who abuse the system, but that's not even a valid defense in the general sense. For that to matter, the majority of women would have to be liars when it comes to such accusations.

It was a highly publicized issue until the courts ruled in Dr.Luke's favor. Afterwards, you had to search for updates on the case, and conveniently, further updates enforced the notion that she might have been lying. But you're right, Kesha's case is probably an anomaly, but it was me trying to come up with a reason as to why someone would want not to be associated at all with sexual assaults claims despite how true/false those claims are.

Anyhow, NeoGaf has become a great example of how not to run any forums. Their model was unsustainable and I am grateful VGC has its own separate identity. 



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Flilix said:
Kerotan said:
Is there any actual proof he did this or is the entire thing based on speculation from that statement?

These kinds of things can't be proven, unless the guy admits it.

Mr Khan said:

I'd have dispersed back here quicker but this site seems unbearably sluggish now since i've left. Tried making the post i made today, last night instead, but i couldn't get gamrconnect to load. Even today the connection's been sporadic.

It isn't that bad most of the time, it's because they're doing maintenances this weekend.

So if I hate Vgchartz I can pay somebody to claim ioi sexually assaulted them.  And that's ioi's life and website ruined.  This is a dangerous time we live in.

 

As I said,  he is innocent until proven guilty. 



Aeolus451 said:
J.Wynne said:

I'm pretty sure the shower thing speaks for itself.

The second allegations are about how he blogged about his trip through Europe, and how he himself bragged that when a woman asked for a drink, he grabbed her ass hard to establish dominance. When he got called out for it he began to backstep and throw out bans. After the admins left and Evilore went into hiding, gaffers came out and admitted they never agreed with how the site was run or evilore's actions, but they went along with it because they were afraid of bans.

Hmm. I'm all over the place on this in terms of what I think of this. I don't like this guy from a political stand point in general. The allegations aren't that bad in and of themselves in all honesty, it's his response to them that's the worst part about this in my opinion. I think people's reaction to this in general is a little on the hysterical side. 

Getting into a shower with your 'friend' doesn't seem like a thing normal, sane people with self-control seem to do, let alone the guy's reaction to it.



o_O.Q said:
StarOcean said:

They think the gov is turning frogs gay and Michelle Obama is a dude. Of course their conspiracy loving asses are going to think anyone showing human decency is taking advantage of someone else. Let them drink, in gallons, the cum of their lord and savior, Alex Jones. 

 

so why do male feminists keep getting outed as sexual harassers and rapists?

types of people that are the complete opposite of their stated aims?

 

i think the idea here is that when you are faced with someone that clearly is pushing an irrational ideology for personal gain then they are clearly an unscrupulous person

 

and this is just the tip of the iceburg,  many many more skeletons are going to be dragged out of the closet because a machine has been created that needs to be fed constantly

because they fake shit to feel good about themselves. make their actions be ok if you say something else, cause who would doubt you if you make example after example of people who TYPE stuff you say you are against.
That way you can get away with actually doing shit cause, no-one has proof of it happening + you have 'proof' that you are against it.. by looking at your online track-record.

People don't take 'time out' (shut their website down) if they don't know they are f*cked cause it is true...



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gcwy said:
Aeolus451 said:

Hmm. I'm all over the place on this in terms of what I think of this. I don't like this guy from a political stand point in general. The allegations aren't that bad in and of themselves in all honesty, it's his response to them that's the worst part about this in my opinion. I think people's reaction to this in general is a little on the hysterical side. 

Getting into a shower with your 'friend' doesn't seem like a thing normal, sane people with self-control seem to do, let alone the guy's reaction to it.

So true.
If it is your friend you might go in and check on her(granted, could be naked.. but also puking-drunk.. so could be ok still), or yell through the door, you don't burst in nude if you don't have an agenda..
there is litteraly no way to defend that.



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Bajablo said:
o_O.Q said:

 

so why do male feminists keep getting outed as sexual harassers and rapists?

types of people that are the complete opposite of their stated aims?

 

i think the idea here is that when you are faced with someone that clearly is pushing an irrational ideology for personal gain then they are clearly an unscrupulous person

 

and this is just the tip of the iceburg,  many many more skeletons are going to be dragged out of the closet because a machine has been created that needs to be fed constantly

because they fake shit to feel good about themselves. make their actions be ok if you say something else, cause who would doubt you if you make example after example of people who TYPE stuff you say you are against.
That way you can get away with actually doing shit cause, no-one has proof of it happening + you have 'proof' that you are against it.. by looking at your online track-record.

People don't take 'time out' (shut their website down) if they don't know they are f*cked cause it is true...

 

yes i agree, its a way of sheltering themselves



LurkerJ said:
Paul said:

Words first, cock out second, while seemingly quite simple, a concept some here seem to be struggling with.

You seem to lack some reading comprehension skills as well. Many of us want to hear the other side before we hand out "guilty" stamps. Yet, somehow, we're the crazy ones for daring to demand more information. 

If you read all the comments, a few people didn't see any problem with walking into a shower naked uninvited. I was commenting on that aspect. Not whether the actual alleged incident occurred. 

Thanks for bringing up reading comprehension skills, I will work on that in the future.



Getting into the shower with a friend at random? Yep sounds like something Evilore would do. Very believable after the thing with him grabbing that chicks ass to let her know he was boss or some shit that happend years ago. They went on a banning spree then too and everything was back to buisness.

Apparently they stayed friends after the shower incident and even went on to have a sexual relationship tho.. So I definitely want to hear his side in all this.

Super creepy thing to do regardless.



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Game - Metro Last Light

TV - Deadwood

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Holy shit!



How do we 'know' she was drunk? How do we 'know' she was sick? How do we 'know' he got into the shower? How do we 'know', if he did in fact get into the shower, whether he was uninvited? How do we 'know' she's telling the truth?

Because she said so? I'm assuming then that if Evilore makes a statement saying he didn't do it he's telling the truth? If you don't think that then stop to think one moment ...



 

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