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theDX said:
Jumpin said:

You're racist.

A Nazi telling me I'm racist. How rich.

You're calling me a Nazi solely based on my German ethnicity. It's a slur.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

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Dravenet7 said:
contestgamer said:

I'm not sure how your post is relevant. Obviously the reason various people hate jews come from ignorance. It doesn't change the fact that a large number of people subscribe to those kind of ignorant views

I like how your post makes no sense and yet you question the relevance of mine. lmao

I asked you questions based on the statment you made. That's all the relevance you need from the first part. And you couldn't even do that much. 

What you have done, however, is prove the fact that those who persucuted Jews had no legitimate reason to do so. On the other hand, the despise of Nazis is grounded in their actions and beliefs, which is heavily recorded.

So essentially your argument boils down to this:

"I'm not strawmanning. All I'm saying is that killing the factually despicable Nazis is the exact same thing as killing Jewish people, despite the fact that the only people who deemed them despicable were ignorant and factually despicable themselves (Nazis). So if you're gonna make a game about killing a murderous group of people who essentially wanted mass genocide excluding those in their group, be sure you can do the same for innocent people who weren't!"

This is beyond sad. Why are you acting like Nazis are a bunch of fucking victims?

Dude, there's a video game about murdering them. There are people that think it's ok to punch them in the face. 

And legitimate vs illegitimate reasons are a matter of opinion. There are people that think the opposite of you or I. Everything is relative, so eventhough I think Nazi's are wrong and those that persecute jews are wrong, I understand that it is my oppinion and I show tolerance towards the other side.



monocle_layton said:
contestgamer said:

 

Once you start getting in to who is vile and despised in real life you're entering a slippery slope. Atheists are despised by millions. Gays are despised by millions. Jews are despised by millions. We shouldnt advocate for violence against ANY group. Problem is that games like this in the current political climate are just further whipping up anti nazi hysteria and it's going to lead to more violence from Antifa, with some people justifying violence against Nazi's because they're bad people. I would agree, Nazi's are pretty terrible, but violence isnt acceptable against any group.

Nazis aren't like atheists or jews. They don't hold a collective belief that millions of people should be dead. Stop using this accusation of me using a slippery slope fallacy when I'm not. 

That's an arbritary judgement point.  It's a slipperly slope because someone else might have their own arbritrary judgement points where it's jews or other mionorities that are evil and should have a game about murdering them. You dont see how wrong that is? The problem is that you think your opinion is somehow an objectively correct one. An opinion is always just an opinion. Just because you think one group is worse than the other doesn'; mean everyone agrees. And if we allow any one person or group to impose their opinions on others you end up with WW type situation



contestgamer said:
monocle_layton said:

Nazis aren't like atheists or jews. They don't hold a collective belief that millions of people should be dead. Stop using this accusation of me using a slippery slope fallacy when I'm not. 

That's an arbritary judgement point.  It's a slipperly slope because someone else might have their own arbritrary judgement points where it's jews or other mionorities that are evil and should have a game about murdering them. You dont see how wrong that is? The problem is that you think your opinion is somehow an objectively correct one. An opinion is always just an opinion. Just because you think one group is worse than the other doesn'; mean everyone agrees. And if we allow any one person or group to impose their opinions on others you end up with WW type situation

You're attempting to prove a logical fallacy by using another logical fallacy:  false equivilence.

A minority is a race or culture, it is part of their identity.

Not so with nazism:

Nazism was a fanatical nationalist political system. Its primary focus was, essentially, world domination through military conquest and awarding capitalistic monopolies to German state regulated corporations. In order to reach that potential: It promoted and engaged in the ethnic cleansing of non-Germans in order to purify the lands. In addition, it advocated and engaged in the forced slave labour of non-Germans in order to support the German military industrial complex and other industrial enterprises. The Nazis were the people who ran and enforced this system.

A race or culture is comparable to German, but not a Nazi. And I don't even know why this has to be said: a person who has the arbitrary opinion that being Jewish or a minority is both evil and on the level of Nazism is not a person whose opinion needs to be taken seriously; because objectively: they're idiots.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

Jumpin said:
contestgamer said:

That's an arbritary judgement point.  It's a slipperly slope because someone else might have their own arbritrary judgement points where it's jews or other mionorities that are evil and should have a game about murdering them. You dont see how wrong that is? The problem is that you think your opinion is somehow an objectively correct one. An opinion is always just an opinion. Just because you think one group is worse than the other doesn'; mean everyone agrees. And if we allow any one person or group to impose their opinions on others you end up with WW type situation

You're attempting to prove a logical fallacy by using another logical fallacy:  false equivilence.

A minority is a race or culture, it is part of their identity.

Not so with nazism:

Nazism was a fanatical nationalist political system. Its primary focus was, essentially, world domination through military conquest and awarding capitalistic monopolies to German state regulated corporations. In order to reach that potential: It promoted and engaged in the ethnic cleansing of non-Germans in order to purify the lands. In addition, it advocated and engaged in the forced slave labour of non-Germans in order to support the German military industrial complex and other industrial enterprises. The Nazis were the people who ran and enforced this system.

A race or culture is comparable to German, but not a Nazi. And I don't even know why this has to be said: a person who has the arbitrary opinion that being Jewish or a minority is both evil and on the level of Nazism is not a person whose opinion needs to be taken seriously; because objectively: they're idiots.

Being part of a religion or non religion ie atheist or jew is a choice not a race.



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contestgamer said:
Jumpin said:

You're attempting to prove a logical fallacy by using another logical fallacy:  false equivilence.

A minority is a race or culture, it is part of their identity.

Not so with nazism:

Nazism was a fanatical nationalist political system. Its primary focus was, essentially, world domination through military conquest and awarding capitalistic monopolies to German state regulated corporations. In order to reach that potential: It promoted and engaged in the ethnic cleansing of non-Germans in order to purify the lands. In addition, it advocated and engaged in the forced slave labour of non-Germans in order to support the German military industrial complex and other industrial enterprises. The Nazis were the people who ran and enforced this system.

A race or culture is comparable to German, but not a Nazi. And I don't even know why this has to be said: a person who has the arbitrary opinion that being Jewish or a minority is both evil and on the level of Nazism is not a person whose opinion needs to be taken seriously; because objectively: they're idiots.

Being part of a religion or non religion ie atheist or jew is a choice not a race.

Having children, eating breakfast, and dying your hair are also choices, it's still not in the same category as Naziism. Broadening the category does not validate your argument, it is still fallacious.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

contestgamer said:

Dude, there's a video game about murdering them. There are people that think it's ok to punch them in the face. 

And legitimate vs illegitimate reasons are a matter of opinion. There are people that think the opposite of you or I. Everything is relative, so eventhough I think Nazi's are wrong and those that persecute jews are wrong, I understand that it is my oppinion and I show tolerance towards the other side.

You're telling me they are killing genocidal sociopathic maniacs? IN A VIDEO GAME!? 

Dude, no fucking way brah!

I thought this thread was about how to make pumpkins!!!! I can't believe they are persecuting the beloved Nazi's with such malice! These mass muderers deserve our resepect and the human deceny they will never give to others!!

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Legitimacy and illegitimacy are matters of opinion? In what universe? In what universe is the FACT that Nazis atrociously killed countless of Jews, threw them into ditches, gassed them, dehumanized them, dehumanized all non-Germans and Germanic culture, mass murdered non-Germans a fucking opinion? 

The underline part is almost hilarious: In other words, you "tolerate" the opinion of persecuting and mudering Jews by these groups, but when these groups are depicted as villains to be murdered in damn video game, it bothers you? People saying, "kill Jews" and "we hate Jews" and going through it on occasions is tolerable but, "This [VIDEO GAME] is offensive"? 

Basically you're saying: 

-"Facts are a matter of opinion." 

-"Nazi opinions and actions are tolerable"

-"The Nazis' persecution of Jews is tolerable"

-"Killing Nazis in a video game is offensive!!!!"

What you're doing isn't tolerance. You're clearly sympathizing with one group over others and ignoring facts. This is not only beyond sad, but completely disgusting.



Don't just punch a Nazi, punch a commie too.



Or dont just punch random people. If they spouting hate crap sure. But people just using free speech no. Thats why we have laws. Follow the laws.



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Jumpin said:
theDX said:

A Nazi telling me I'm racist. How rich.

You're calling me a Nazi solely based on my German ethnicity. It's a slur.

Or perhaps he's criticizing you based on your collectivist and authoritarian tendencies that are deep-rooted in both Naziism and ANTIFA (anarchocommunism).